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Which is the description of a 3rd world economy.


Yet 65% of Hong-Kongese don't feel they are Chinese. The analogy is similar to Australians; Australians originate from Britain, but Austrians have an unique identity separate from the Brisith.

Hong Kongese are Cantonese alright, but with an identity different from mainlanders. Being called "Chinese" is an insult to Hong-Kongese, ditto for Taiwanese.

I'm from Taiwan and I'm a Chinese American. Being called a Chinese is not an insult for us Taiwanese at all. Almost all Taiwanese are China. Also, my ancestors have been in Taiwan for about 6 generations. So I'm not Mainland Chinese that came to Taiwan in 1949.
 
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So your logic is that: when a crazy Korean shouts at the normal people that he is a dog not a human being, so he is a dog not a human being. So we should consider this korean as a dog not a human being?
People like you are the reason Hong-Kongese are ashamed of being called Chinese and insist on "Hong-Kongese" identity. So uncivilized, clueless and rude.

And you are also helping to make sure that China will never become a developed country, because the first thing that consumers outside of China think when they hear the word "China" is people like you.

So let the north koreans to have enough food to eat and clothes to wear. Dont come to China as beggars for these kinds of third world things.
They wouldn't be if the communist party stopped supporting Kim Jong Il.

I'm from Taiwan and I'm a Chinese American. Being called a Chinese is not an insult for us Taiwanese at all.
That's just you.

“We are Taiwanese, not Chinese”. | OzSoapbox

“We are Taiwanese, not Chinese”.

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To be or not to be Taiwanese or Chinese - Taipei Times

To be or not to be Taiwanese or Chinese

By James Wang 王景弘
President Ma Ying-jeou (馬英九) is in full electioneering mode, focusing on the issue of national identity and saying in Chinese, “I am Taiwanese.”
One can imagine his soul shrieking as he uttered those words, but when he said it in English he chose not to use the word “Formosan” or the word that came into common usage in the 1960s, “Taiwanese.”
Instead he declared himself to be an “R.O.C.er,” an invented phrase that is neither here nor there, a play on Republic of China (ROC), which could also be pronounced like “rocker.”
For those in the know, the idea is that he is a citizen of the ROC, but for outsiders it just looks like a harmless pun.
For Beijing, his master, the phrase indicates his adherence to the concept of “one China” and essentially says that he really belongs to China.
Ma was born in Hong Kong, but few people from Hong Kong would respond in this way to their current circumstances.
The former British colony was “returned” by the UK government to China, but the vast majority still consider themselves to be “Hong Kong people” (香港人).
Taiwan has got absolutely nothing to do with China. We do not belong to China. It is a matter of preference whether you call yourself Taiwanese, or some ill-defined, wishy-washy definition of “Chinese.”
The real question is where the small minority who consider themselves to be “Chinese” get off accusing people who say they are Taiwanese of “mincing words over ethnicity.”
There are people out there who think they are really smart, who believe that this distinction is not really all that important, imagining themselves to be something in-between, or simultaneously Chinese and Taiwanese.
This is simply not the case. Whether you call yourself Chinese or Taiwanese is of huge significance in an international sense.
On March 11, 1972, an article by the journalist Milton Viorst titled “Has Anyone Asked the Taiwanese?” appeared in the Washington Post.
In the article, the author asked then-US president Richard Nixon on what basis he claimed in the Shanghai Communique that “all Chinese people” on both sides of the Taiwan Strait had agreed that there was only one China and that Taiwan was a part of China.
This question pointed to the different perspectives of Taiwanese and Chinese and their understanding of national identification.
John Holdridge, who was present at the drafting of the communique, said that the Americans had used the phrase “all Chinese people,” and not “all people,” in recognition of the fact that there were those in Taiwan who neither counted themselves as Chinese nor agreed that Taiwan was a part of China.
The incontrovertible facts of the matter are that neither of the two “Taiwanese” presidents, Lee Teng-hui (李登輝) and Chen Shui-bian (陳水扁), agreed that Taiwan was part of China and that “Chinese” Ma accepts the “one China” principle and that Taiwan is a part of China.
Internationally, it has already been established that “Taiwanese” is distinct from “Chinese,” and for Taiwanese to refer to themselves as such, or indeed to be referred to by others in that way, should feel right and natural.
If Ma still feels a bit uncomfortable with the term, I hope that the next time he shows his face in public with Premier Wu Den-yih (吳敦義), the two of them will hold hands and declare, “We’re a pair of R.O.C.ers.”

Almost all Taiwanese are China. Also, my ancestors have been in Taiwan for about 6 generations. So I'm not Mainland Chinese that came to Taiwan in 1949.

Most of Taiwanese consider themselves Taiwanese. Less than 10% of Taiwanese consider themselves Chinese.
 
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For Indians and Pakistani readers who don't understand why Hong Kong residents and Taiwanese consider being called "Chinese" an insult, "Chinese" used as in this context refers to mainlanders, who are seen as uncivilized poor migrant workers making trouble, starting a slum where ever they settle, spit everywhere, and break all rules.

 
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Being called "Chinese" is an insult to Hong-Kongese, ditto for Taiwanese.

Hahahaha, you think you can speak for us? :rofl:

There are plenty of people here from Hong Kong (myself and Brotherhood), and Taiwan (no_name and Martian2).

Ask them yourself. :azn:

Your idea that Chinese = mainlander is 100% wrong. It can refer to either people who are Chinese citizens (mainland+HK), or who are ethnically/culturally Chinese.

Which is the description of a 3rd world economy.
Yet 65% of Hong-Kongese don't feel they are Chinese. The analogy is similar to Australians; Australians originate from Britain, but Austrians have an unique identity separate from the Brisith.

This point has already been countered by several members.

Nomenclature is a Beijinger, ChineseTiger is Shanghainese, I am a Hong Konger. These are all subsets of Chinese people.

Just because someone primarily identifies as a Bejinger (like Nomenclature), does not automatically imply that they reject being Chinese. The same principle applies to Hong Kong people such as myself.
 
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Hahahaha, you think you can speak for us?
I am not speaking out for anyone.

I am merely pointing out the survey facts printed in the press.

There are plenty of people here from Hong Kong (myself and Brotherhood), and Taiwan (no_name and Martian2).
And you people constitute a small minority. The vast majority of Hong Kongese and Taiwanese do not consider themselves to be Chinese, as reported by BBC and Taiwan Times.


Actually, the rape is mutual and goes both ways.

US Soldier Sexually Assaulted By Korean Man In Uijongbu | ROK Drop

US Soldier Sexually Assaulted By Korean Man In Uijongbu
» by GI Korea in: Crime & Punishment
Via a reader tip comes this news about a US Army private sexually assaulted by a Korean man in Uijongbu:

The Uijeongbu Police Station in Gyeonggi-do is investigating after apprehending 25-year-old Mr. A on July 11 on charges of sexually assaulting a female member of the US military.

According to police, at approximately 3am on July 11, Mr. A sexually assaulted 18-year-old Ms. B, a private in the 2nd infantry division, in the 3rd basement level of a building in Uijeongbu.

The police investigation found that Mr. A was drinking in a nightclub for Koreans on the second basement level, then followed Pvt. B when she went to the bathroom and sexually assaulted her.

Mr. A was recorded on camera with Pvt. B by 20-year-old Pvt. C, a female colleague of Pvt. B.

Police plan to apply for an arrest warrant for Mr. A when their investigation is complete.
 
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Chinese inability to create world-class brands and high-value goods is demonstrated in places like the Chinatown in the New York City. Here, Chinese businesses compete on price only. The prices in Chinatown are like 30~40% of the prices outside of Chinatown. A haircut that cost $15 + tips cost $6(No tip, although I do tip 50%). Single piece of bread that cost $1.5~2 at Japanese or Korean bakery cost $0.60 at Chinese bakeries. Japanese or Korean Fried Rice that cost $8 cost $4 at Chinese places. When I visit Chinese supermarkets, they cost 50% of what a similar Korean supermarket cost.

Then how come Chinese business hasn't taken over the world? Because $6 Chinese haircut isn't as good-looking as a $15 + 5 tip haircut at a Korean barbershop. Chinese bakery goods don't taste as good as Japanese bakery goods(Korean ones don't taste as good as Japanese bakery either, but these people manage to charge Japanese prices and get away with it). Chinese fried rice isn't as soft and moist as Japanese or Korean style fried rice. This is why Chinese businesses hasn't taken over the US in spite of their unbelievable prices, because the quality isn't there to justify their purchases in spite of low prices.

In fact, what's happening is that out of all the "Asian grocers" in the US, only Korean chains managed to go "mainstream" across the US. How? By attracting non-Korean shoppers, while Chinese supermarkets attract Chinese shoppers only, who are increasingly fleeing to Korean and Taiwanese stores because of uncleanness and bad customer service.


I have lived in NY/NJ area for a lot part of my life. My information is that I see $6-7 cut in many Korean cutting shops. Note I call them "cutting Shop" not “barbershop”, as they cutting hair like I cut my lawn grass.

In addition, Chinatown is USA, not China. So all you vehement condemnations against Chinatown go to USA, not to China. So take it easy and better straighten your crooked logic before presenting any meaningful arguments.

Thirdly, if Korean is so superior to China, why there are more Korean illegal immigrants to USA than Chinese ones?

Country of origin Raw number Percent of total Percent change 2000 to 2009
Mexico 6,650,000 62% +42%
El Salvador 530,000 5% +25%
Guatemala 480,000 4% +65%
Honduras 320,000 3% +95%
Philippines 270,000 2% +33%
India 200,000 2% +64%
Korea 200,000 2% +14%
Ecuador 170,000 2% +55%
Brazil 150,000 1% +49%
China 120,000 1% -37%
Other 1,650,000 15% -17%

Illegal immigration to the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
If we take that Korea population is only 48,988,833 and China has 1,339,724,852, and your per capita illegal immigrants is 0.0040 and China’s per capita is 0.000090, and your "superior" system generate 44.7 time more illegal immigrants than Chinese system. So, your system is more inferior, and more people of Korea hate your system than the Chinese do their system.

Are you any superior? Obviously not.

BTW, I admire your great capability to differentiate mainland Chinese vs Taiwanese Chinese, especially in your fabulous Korean supermarket. Amazing! … and don’t laugh people to death.
 
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Your idea that Chinese = mainlander is 100% wrong. It can refer to either people who are Chinese citizens (mainland+HK), or who are ethnically/culturally Chinese.



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I am no longer surprised by myopic islander view point from some Koreans any more.


They thought the whole world is like Korea, and the people of world think like Korean.


What else can you do except feeling pity for them?
 
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And you people constitute a small minority. The vast majority of Hong Kongese and Taiwanese do not consider themselves to be Chinese, as reported by BBC and Taiwan Times.

Your logic is broken. :lol:

As many members here have said, identifying yourself as a Hong Konger or a Shanghainese does NOT imply a rejection of being Chinese. That is a logical fallacy.

Nomenclature already said he identifies as a Beijinger, but this clearly does not mean that he also rejects being Chinese.
 
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I am no longer surprised by myopic islander view point from some Koreans any more.


They thought the whole world is like Korea, and the people of world think like Korean.


What else can you do except feeling pity for them?

Buddy, he is upset because in the West (where he lives), all East Asian people are considered either Chinese or Japanese. :azn:

The Koreans get enraged when everyone automatically assumes they are Chinese or Japanese.
 
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I have lived in NY/NJ area for a lot part of my life. My information is that I see $6-7 cut in many Korean cutting shops.
Where are they? I would love to know, so let me know if you know one. Never seen one and I would be first customer if one existed, but it doesn't, unless we are talking 1990.

In addition, Chinatown is USA, not China.
Chinatowns are similar across the world.

So all you vehement condemnations against Chinatown go to USA, not to China.
What you observe in Chinatown is the sanitized version of what goes around in China.

Thirdly, if Korean is so superior to China, why there are more Korean illegal immigrants to USA than Chinese ones?
Almost all of those are so called "visa-overstayers", which can happens to legals on technicality, for something as simple as being fired from work or mishaps in school transfers, or even thousands of fugitives from justice. No Korean crosses the Arizona desert because Koreans can enter the US visa-free, so almost everyone is accounted for, and the current number is down to 170K as of 2011 and continuing to go down.

Most Chinese illegals on the other hand are fence-jumpers, who for the obvious reason cannot be accounted for, and you can observe a massive increase in Chinese population around NY/NJ area nowadays. Fence jumpers obviously cannot be accounted for.

Archived Blog: Illegal immigration from China increases 10 fold

August 20, 2010
Illegal immigration from China increases 10 fold

"The number of Chinese immigrants arrested while illegally crossing the border into Arizona through the busiest smuggling corridor in the United States increased tenfold in the last fiscal year, according to the United States Border Patrol in Tucson.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-affairs/125696-new-flood-illegal-immigrants-predicted-china.html

potential of a much larger wave of illegal immigrants in the coming decades--from China

"As many as 50 million Chinese could be leaving their home country in the foreseeable future, with several million of them coming to the U.S. in hopes of finding work," said Dudley Poston, Jr, the head of the Texas A&M Asian Studies department, and the lead author of the study.

He says a sophisticated network of human smugglers, who get Chinese into the United States for a fee of about $45,000 to $50,000 apiece, has already begun to emerge, known as 'Snake Heads' in China.

There are now about 3 million people of Chinese ancestry in the United States, and an estimated 300,000 are here illegally.

FYI, your link says there are 65K~70K Canadian illegal immigrants in the US, so does that mean Canada is a suckie country? Obviously not.

Are you any superior? Obviously not.
Korea has 1 million illegal immigrants, most of them from China.
China has little illegal immigrants from Korea.

BTW, I admire your great capability to differentiate mainland Chinese vs Taiwanese Chinese, especially in your fabulous Korean supermarket.
You can tell them by the looks and demeanor.
 
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I am no longer surprised by myopic islander view point from some Koreans any more.

They thought the whole world is like Korea, and the people of world think like Korean.

What else can you do except feeling pity for them?
Why do you sound like Chinese? A Chinese poster with fake ID?
 
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Hahaha that is no way to talk about your masters.

Remember, without the USA protecting you, South Korea cannot even come close to matching China or Japan.

If you alienate your American masters, you might as well declare yourself North Korean. And even the USA didn't protect you when the North Koreans sunk your battleship.

Now I see why you are so worried about the relative decline of American power. If they can't even protect you from North Korean attacks today, then what about in ten years time when their relative power has shrunk even further?
 
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are north koreans different from south koreans?

they are very different, North Koreans are poor but have balls```but South Koreans are like low class '暴发户' Americans loyal servent`

Why do you sound like Chinese? A Chinese poster with fake ID?

not as fake as how a korean looks``90% of Koreans are faked, do you know why?

because they think they are ugly```
 
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