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I dont think one can blame syrians. Others especially afgans, africans and some pakistanis are misusing the refugee system. Unfortunately syrians, the genuine refugees will get bad deal just because other people are bringing bad name.
 
actually its the end. So far it gets banned that they bring their families here and what we heared today they plan to start mass deportations. Merkel is in her last days as chancellor. What we see is an open rebellion of the right wing of the CDU.

I used to like Merkel a while back. But the atrocious manner in which the migrant crisis has been handled really makes me wish a hasty departure for her government.

I dont think one can blame syrians. Others especially afgans, africans and some pakistanis are misusing the refugee system. Unfortunately syrians, the genuine refugees will get bad deal just because other people are bringing bad name.

True. The European governments, in order to backtrack, are now saying that most of these are economic migrants. The real refugees are also getting clubbed along with the migrants.
 
seriously you are comparing a little kid to a man?
Obviously 3 year old kid did not go to boat himself. His father took him there. Father survived, boy died.
 
Never before we saw a culture where men are such cowards and women such heroes. The normal gender roles are totally different in the middle east. You have powerful women and weak men.
European gave plenty of examples during WW2, just have a frank discussion with grandpa, he will tell you plenty of cowardice...Don't make their plight a reason to demean their culture. They would have been happy to stay home if the West left them alone...and not destroy their country...How come come they didn't come in the 80's, 90's, 2000...just now they decided, lets go to Europe, !

Evry election here in evry european nation is won by right wing nationalists. When le Pen wins in France...and she most likely will...Merkel in germany is already a thing of the past. Now the cold analytics will take course. One even assumed to reopen the camps...
And guess who is going to fill the camps..the same one that filled them in WW2...Italian will be close to a majority...with the hebrews and the sub-Europeen nation citizens...
 
Germany was once filled with 6 million jews. Spain with 12 million arabs. As i said...europeans tend to go to very drastical solutions when the barrel is full
The time have changed...France is owned Israel (influence) and by Qatar in the proper sense of the world...Europe is not what it was once...Spain is starting to come at the seams, and if the Catalan succeed as separating, other region in Europe will follow suite , France with Bretagne and corsica, Italy , will lose the industrial North, Sardinia and Sicily.... So, a rise of the right is a lot more dangerous to European countries that to their immigration...
 
I dont think one can blame syrians. Others especially afgans, africans and some pakistanis are misusing the refugee system. Unfortunately syrians, the genuine refugees will get bad deal just because other people are bringing bad name.

Agree, that's exactly what i was about to write. These muslims have no sympathy for their fellow brothers, so much for the so called ummah.lool According to some statitsics as far as 1/3rd of people claiming refugees status are from other safe countries in the middle east and south Asia not Syria. Syrians themselves represent barely 1/3rd of them , even though all these idiots claim to be syrian just so we can let them in. Actually if not for these scums/fake refugees, i'm sure Europe could have dealt with the REAL Syrian refugees itself without so much troubles, since their numbers wouldnt have been so huge, but economic immigrants from the region(who face no war/insecurity whatsover) have destroyed any goodwill most European countries had to accept genuine Syrians fleeing war.

Funny to see we dont see any protests by countries in the region against such people who are sabotaging/damaging the reputation of syrian refugees who truly need help and protection, reason many european countris are now putting restrictions on any 'refugees' coming from the region(syrians included), since we can't tell who is who, so genuine Syrians themselves get mixed up with these scums.
In short, its everyman for himself, they couldn't care less for their 'Syrian brothers', but are always quick to blame and judge the 'evil' west as always. Hypocrites.:bounce:

“We Just Have to Trust What They Write Down": Europe Lets Fake Syrian Refugees Self-Register as "Syrians" | Frontpage Mag
1 in 3 'Syrian' refugees have fake IDs, German authorities admit — RT News

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I used to like Merkel a while back. But the atrocious manner in which the migrant crisis has been handled really makes me wish a hasty departure for her government.
I thought Merkel, was the only man in Europe, she opened her doors to the refugees, even translated map in Arabic , to make it easy for them to navigate...She was certainly overwhelmed by the sheer number that nobody expected. Germany prospered during her tenure...she won't be beat unless the German constitution forbade her to run..
 
I thought Merkel, was the only man in Europe, she opened her doors to the refugees, even translated map in Arabic , to make it easy for them to navigate...She was certainly overwhelmed by the sheer number that nobody expected. Germany prospered during her tenure...she won't be beat unless the German constitution forbade her to run

Thats precisely what we are talking about. SHE MADE MATTER FARRRR WORSE FOR EUROPE AND REAL SYRIAN REFUGEES THEMSELVES. Since her open door policy encouraged other economic migrants from the middle east to south Asia to north Africa to start thinking of ways to immigrate to europe by claiming to be Syrians. In short the main people she affected with her stupid policy are the genuine syrian refugees themselves.:agree:
 
@MarkusS I have had some severe differances with you in the past but maybe I was too quick in judging you. Let's get one fundamental fact out of way first. Humans rarely like change. Most of us prefer certainty to uncertainty. Familiarity to unfamiliarity. Nobody likes their cities changing. However understand one natural law. Change is inevitable. Nothing remains constant.

You in Italy ought to appreciate that fact more than most. Your country was the lynchpin of the Roman Empire. Fact is majority of the people you despise were part of and citizens of that empire. That would include Marocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Libyia, Egypt, Palestine, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan and parts of Iraq. I know for a fact that there were Syrian Roman Legionaires posted on the Hadrian Wall in Britain and many died there defending the far pavilions of the Roman Empire.

Bizzarely the Germans and other Northern Europeans were not part of the Roman Empire and were classified as "savages". You already probably know who destroyed the Roman Empire ( hint Vandals ) so thos ought to tell you how things change inexorably.

Now what you see is human migration here. What has happened is the Syrian refugee trail has provided a "human rail" that has been jumped by many other economic migrants. Afghans, Pakistani, Iranians, Kurds, Africans. Eritreans etc. That Syrian refugees are being used as a mask for others is well known fact.

Human migration has always taken place although the speed and temp has increased in the last 250 years. You in Italy again should be well versed in human migrants. If every Italian migrant came back from other peoples land I suspect population of Italy would increase by 50%. I am sure you have heard of Italian- Americans. Just so as to make this known in case you don't know this but there is something called "Native American" and trust me they were not and are still not overly thrilled about half of Europe landing on their continent. I am going to look into this subject in detail some other time but your claim that they guy's are "cowards" is absurd. The men go first to lay the roots and then later women will be brought over. If anything if they sent women first they indeed would be cowards.

Now on the subject of cowards I would like to remind you of Italian performance in WW2. I also want to bring to your attention that many men from the area of Pakistan I hail from spilled blood in kicking Germans out of your country in WW2. One fine example of such man was Sepoy Ali Haider who won the highest medal that Britain gives to it's heroes in battle - The Victoria. Cross

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Ali Haidar (VC) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

My own grandad also fought in Italy in 1944 although I am glad he came back alive or else bit of me would not be here. So your claim of cowardice incorrect and is unfair.

The official citation for Haidar's award, published in the London Gazette in July 1945 reads:

The KING has been graciously pleased to approve the award of the VICTORIA CROSS to: — No. 26534 Sepoy ALl HAIDAR, 13th Frontier Force Rifles, British Raj Army.


In Italy, during the crossing of the River Senio, near Fusignano, Italy in daylight on 9 April 1945, a Company of the I3th Frontier Force Rifles were ordered to assault the enemy positions strongly dug in on the far bank. These positions had been prepared and improved over many months and were mainly on the steep flood banks, some 25 feet high.



Sepoy Ali Haidar was a member of the lefthand Section of the left-hand Platoon. As soon as the Platoon started to cross, it came under heavy and accurate machine gun fire from two enemy posts strongly dug in about 60 yards away. Sepoy Ali Haidar's Section suffered casualties and only 3 men, including himself, managed to get across. The remainder of the Company was temporarily held up. Without orders, and on his own initiative, Sepoy Ali Haidar, leaving the other two to cover him, charged the nearest post which was about 30 yards away. He threw a grenade and almost at the same time the enemy threw one at him, wounding him severely in the back. In spite of this he kept on and the enemy post was destroyed and four of the enemy surrendered. With utter disregard of his own wounds he continued and charged the next post in which the enemy had one Spandau and three automatics, which were still very active and preventing movement on 'both banks. He was "again wounded, this time in the right leg and right arm. Although weakened by loss of blood, with great determination Sepoy Ali Haidar crawled closer and in a final effort raised himself from the ground, threw a grenade, and charged into the second enemy post. Two enemy were wounded and the remaining two surrendered.


Taking advantage of the outstanding success of Sepoy Ali Haidar's dauntless attacks, the rest of the Company charged across the river and carried out their task of making a bridgehead.


Sepoy Ali Haidar was picked up and brought back from the second position seriously wounded.

The conspicuous gallantry, initiative, and determination combined with a complete disregard for his own life shown by this very brave Sepoy in the face of heavy odds were an example to the whole Company. His heroism had saved an ugly situation which would — but for his personal bravery — have caused the Battalion a large number of casualties at a critical time and seriously delayed the crossing of the river and the building of a bridge. With the rapid advance which it was possible to make the Battalion captured 3 officers and 217 other ranks and gained their objectives.[3

* Just a note the Frontier Regiment is today a proud component of the Pakistan Army Strike Corps.


Click > Frontier Force Regiment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Sepoy Ali Haider VC in Italian hospital recovering from his injuries.

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Sepoy Ali Haider with his wife in 1999 WW2 memorial at invitation of the Queen in London, UK.

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In the link below is a video which clearly shows many of the migrants are NOT Syrians. Example in the video we have African, Sudan and Mr Ahmad Khan who of course is a Pakistani.

Click > Murder of elderly couple in Sicily fuels Italy's growing anti-immigrant sentiment - Telegraph
 
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Thats precisely what we are talking about. SHE MADE MATTER FARRRR WORSE FOR EUROPE AND REAL SYRIAN REFUGEES THEMSELVES. Since her open door policy encouraged other economic migrants from the middle east to south Asia to north Africa to start thinking of ways to immigrate to europe by claiming to be Syrians. In short the main people she affected with her stupid policy are the genuine syrian refugees themselves.:agree:
Mike2000, England is not a part of Schengen agreement, so England wont be affected in the short time. But you are looking it from the small window of refugees...Have you ever thought , why they are choosing Germany only and not other countries...This a well planned emigration to overwhelm one country and one country only...That the only thing of interest that need to be discussed...Nobody can stop emigration, but refugee can be avoided, if we avoid to distabilize their respective countries, they will be no refugees.
 
@MarkusS Change is inevitable. Nothing remains constant.
probably but sometimes it is not a good decision to let the things "go"
for exemple Jews disappeared from many countries and it is not good
too many countries in ME ... see their christian population percent becoming so low : from an important part of the nation to a small minority. a shame.

Now on the subject of cowards I would like to remind you of Italian performance in WW2. I also want to bring to your attention that many men from the area of Pakistan I hail from spilled blood in kicking Germans out of your country in WW2. One fine example of such man was Sepoy Ali Haider who won the highest medal that Britain gives to it's heroes in battle - The Victoria. Cross
congratulations :) i would be very proud to have such ancestor .
but as said markusz ... he is not saying people of the regions are cowards but the young guys coming in Europe instead defending their country .
 
probably but sometimes it is not a good decision to let the things "go"
for exemple Jews disappeared from many countries and it is not good
too many countries in ME ... see their christian population percent becoming so low : from an important part of the nation to a small minority. a shame.

Of course I am not saying there ought to be "open door" policy. What I am saying is that we should not get consumed by this issue. No point in getting paranoid about it. We are moving toward a globalized future. We were tribe, then clan, then nation state, then supra state and now we moving to another level. Nothing is going to stop this.

congratulations :) i would be very proud to have such ancestor .
but as said markusz ... he is not saying people of the regions are cowards but the young guys coming in Europe instead defending their country .

I have to say with regret that I am NOT related to Sepoy Ali Haider although he is from the same region and ethnic group as myself in Pakistan. My grandad was also in Italy and came back with just campaign medal:(

Still something is better then nothing.
 
I thought Merkel, was the only man in Europe, she opened her doors to the refugees, even translated map in Arabic , to make it easy for them to navigate...She was certainly overwhelmed by the sheer number that nobody expected. Germany prospered during her tenure...she won't be beat unless the German constitution forbade her to run..

Germany's economy has improved at the expense of the rest of EU. Germany has been acting as quite the hegemon in EU these days. After tasting success on the Greek issue, where there was little protest on the German approach, Merkel was further emboldened. Germany has been quite worried about the demographic decline in recent years - so she thought it was a smart idea to cross-subsidize lots of cheap labour by getting the rest of EU to pay for it. Turned out that some of the states have nearly revolted - particularly Bavaria.
 
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