The major reason Islam was so successful was due to chivalry and mercy towards civilians - Most merciful conquerors in history

[zain41]

Add to that why did Zoroastrian Parsis ran away from Persia to settle in India.

youll find incidents like these through out everyone’s history and this is a 1400 year history..it’s like you almost think as if no Indian ruler ever killed innocent people.. let’s not be intellectually dishonest or naive here

Stepaniants also (like Arnold) declares that some historians have said that the conversions to Islam were sincere citing the fact that Islam offered a broader door of brotherhood, unlike the restrictive criteria of Zoroastrianism.[22]Nevertheless, Sir Thomas Arnold does acknowledge that the persecution of Zoroastrians did take place later on.[23]Stepaniants states that the real persecution took place during the reign of the Abbasids, and around that time was when the Parsi exodus took place.[24]. But regardless, both Arnold and Stepaniants say that the Islam is not to blamed (entirely, according Stepaniants alone, although she does defend Islam by stating that persecution of Zoroastrians isn't found within the Islamic teachings) for the decline of Zoroastrianism

 

[Indos]

Muslim follows rule from God. That is the different. Muslim troops when they won the war, they are not exploiting the situation. The mercy of Muslim troops is well known after Muslim clashed with European powers during the Crusade. I bet you heard Saladin right ? That is the instances happening when Muslim met with European. This is the reason of why Middle East becomes Islamic. They like the moral shown by Muslim soldiers and officials.

Musim troops usually will stay outside the town they have captured, it is why there are new cities being made during Islamic conquest like in Kuffah, Iraq. Freedom of religion is maintained and enforced, this is also why Jews are still survive until Today despite being ruled by Muslim for more than 1000 years.

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[zain41]

Muslim follows rule from God. That is the different. Muslim troops when they won the war, they are not exploiting the situation. The mercy of Muslim troops is well known after Muslim clashed with European powers during the Crusade. I bet you heard Saladin right ?

Musim troops usually will stay outside the town they have captured, it is why there are new cities being made during Islamic conquest like in Kuffah, Iraq. Freedom of religion is maintained and enforced, this is also why Jews are still survive until Today despite being ruled by Muslim for more than 1000 years.

Yep only in Islam you have rules that even during war you can’t cut trees, destroy crops, kill civilians.. after muslims conquered jerusalem hazrat umer prayed outside the church of the holy sepulchre because he thought if he prayed inside people would try and convert it into a mosque..

 

[Hack-Hook]

First explain me why Persia became Muslim majority within 25 years?

It was not that they were merciful. It was our resilience which kept us Survived. We have survived against Hun, kushans, Greeks , Europeans etc.

Wrong it take around 200 years . it was a slow process and let not go into how it happened .

jizya is not collected from women,children, monks.. only from non muslims who are of military age and by paying jizya they are exempt from military service and in return muslims provide protection to these people from outside invaders etc

Well i suggest you do some research on that matter and how much it could get depended on the whim of the ruler.

 

[samv]

Do u even understand those terms or just talking dumb? War booty was the war equipment left behind by the defeated army and not taken from civilians. Slaves were the ones taken captives untill slavery was legal, though in Islam a slave also have rights. Ur masters treated slaves like animals untill very recently. Sex with slaves is BS and the only thing allowed was to have them as legal wife. We have seen children of slave women raised to become generals and sultans. Jizya is a tax and unless ur total brainless, u should know tax is not a crime or anything. In return protection and development was provided to them.

You haven't read the hadiths clearly.

Start here: https://sunnah.com/

Chapter: The sale of a slave (for a slave) and an animal for an animal on credit

" Amongst the captives was Safiya. First she was given to Dihya Al-Kalbi and then to the Prophet. "

Sahih al-Bukhari 2228 - Sales and Trade - Sunnah.com - Sayings and Teachings of Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه و سلم)

Narrated Anas: Amongst the captives was Safiya. First she was given to Dihya Al-Kalbi and then to the Prophet.

sunnah.com

Literally a human being given away as property

Here's another

" Anas said “Captives were gathered at Khaibar. Dihyah came out and said “Apostle of Allaah(ﷺ) give me a slave girl from the captives.” He said “Go and take a slave girl. He took Safiyyah daughter of Huyayy. "

Sunan Abi Dawud 2998 - Tribute, Spoils, and Rulership (Kitab Al-Kharaj, Wal-Fai' Wal-Imarah) - Sunnah.com - Sayings and Teachings of Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه و سلم)

Anas said “Captives were gathered at Khaibar. Dihyah came out and said “Apostle of Allaah(ﷺ) give me a slave girl from the captives.” He said “Go and take a slave girl. He took Safiyyah daughter of Huyayy. A man then came to the Prophet (ﷺ) and said “You gave Safiyyah daughter of Huyay

sunnah.com

Muslim follows rule from God. That is the different. Muslim troops when they won the war, they are not exploiting the situation. The mercy of Muslim troops is well known after Muslim clashed with European powers during the Crusade. I bet you heard Saladin right ?

Musim troops usually will stay outside the town they have captured, it is why there are new cities being made during Islamic conquest like in Kuffah, Iraq. Freedom of religion is maintained and enforced, this is also why Jews are still survive until Today despite being ruled by Muslim for more than 1000 years.

The men and boys of the Banu Qurayza would beg to differ...

 

[Titanium100]

You haven't read the hadiths clearly.

Start here: https://sunnah.com/

Chapter: The sale of a slave (for a slave) and an animal for an animal on credit

" Amongst the captives was Safiya. First she was given to Dihya Al-Kalbi and then to the Prophet. "

Sahih al-Bukhari 2228 - Sales and Trade - Sunnah.com - Sayings and Teachings of Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه و سلم)

Narrated Anas: Amongst the captives was Safiya. First she was given to Dihya Al-Kalbi and then to the Prophet.

sunnah.com

Literally a human being given away as property

Here's another

" Anas said “Captives were gathered at Khaibar. Dihyah came out and said “Apostle of Allaah(ﷺ) give me a slave girl from the captives.” He said “Go and take a slave girl. He took Safiyyah daughter of Huyayy. "

Sunan Abi Dawud 2998 - Tribute, Spoils, and Rulership (Kitab Al-Kharaj, Wal-Fai' Wal-Imarah) - Sunnah.com - Sayings and Teachings of Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه و سلم)

Anas said “Captives were gathered at Khaibar. Dihyah came out and said “Apostle of Allaah(ﷺ) give me a slave girl from the captives.” He said “Go and take a slave girl. He took Safiyyah daughter of Huyayy. A man then came to the Prophet (ﷺ) and said “You gave Safiyyah daughter of Huyay

sunnah.com

As I have already explained the fallen soldiers family has to be taken in because you just can't let them live there because they won't have a way to provide for themselves so you have to take them in as slaves or concubines. Safiyyah was a concubine.

You quotes already tells us something we know and I already mentioned it. The captive children would be given education and released at later point. The female would become concubines. Economically it would be much easier for the muslims to ransack some cities and civilians but it is not allowed for them to do and in the end they end up with more slaves and concubines then they need or can provide for

 

[samv]

There are no such things as sex slaves?

War booty is taken from the state not the non-combatant civilian properties. and the warrings factions. As for the captive slaves again it is the warring side.

If you kill the Husband in the battle? WHo is gonna raise his kid and look after his wife? For this reason the conqueror most take them into his own household. Raise the kids and his wife becomes his new woman aka concubine

Explain this hadith:

Muhairiz said “I entered the mosque and saw Abu Sa’id Al Khudri . I sat with him and asked about withdrawing the penis (while having intercourse). Abu Sa’id said We went out with the Apostle of Allaah(ﷺ) on the expedition to Banu Al Mustaliq and took some Arab women captive and we desired the women for we were suffering from the absence of our wives and we wanted ransom, so we intended to withdraw the penis (while having intercourse with the slave women). But we asked ourselves “can we draw the penis when the Apostle of Allaah(ﷺ) is among us before asking him about it? So we asked him about it. He said “it does not matter if you do not do it, for very soul that is to be born up to the Day of Resurrection will be born.”

Hadith - Book of Marriage (Kitab Al-Nikah) - Sunan Abi Dawud - Sunnah.com - Sayings and Teachings of Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه و سلم)

Muhairiz said “I entered the mosque and saw Abu Sa’id Al Khudri . I sat with him and asked about withdrawing the penis (while having intercourse). Abu Sa’id said We went out with the Apostle of Allaah(ﷺ) on the expedition to Banu Al Mustaliq and took some Arab women captive and we desired th

sunnah.com

As I have already explained the fallen soldiers family has to be taken in because you just can't let them live there because they won't have a way to provide for themselves so you have to take them in as slaves or concubines. Safiyyah was a concubine

They are divided among the Muslims as war booty.

 

[Titanium100]

Explain this hadith:

Muhairiz said “I entered the mosque and saw Abu Sa’id Al Khudri . I sat with him and asked about withdrawing the penis (while having intercourse). Abu Sa’id said We went out with the Apostle of Allaah(ﷺ) on the expedition to Banu Al Mustaliq and took some Arab women captive and we desired the women for we were suffering from the absence of our wives and we wanted ransom, so we intended to withdraw the penis (while having intercourse with the slave women). But we asked ourselves “can we draw the penis when the Apostle of Allaah(ﷺ) is among us before asking him about it? So we asked him about it. He said “it does not matter if you do not do it, for very soul that is to be born up to the Day of Resurrection will be born.”

Hadith - Book of Marriage (Kitab Al-Nikah) - Sunan Abi Dawud - Sunnah.com - Sayings and Teachings of Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه و سلم)

Muhairiz said “I entered the mosque and saw Abu Sa’id Al Khudri . I sat with him and asked about withdrawing the penis (while having intercourse). Abu Sa’id said We went out with the Apostle of Allaah(ﷺ) on the expedition to Banu Al Mustaliq and took some Arab women captive and we desired th

sunnah.com

They are divided among the Muslims as war booty.

you are using some strange hadith in relation to this. That hadith is collected because alot of people obviously pull out I mean married people. Having concubines is allowed by the way but you must have her with you as she is your woman. It is not like where you can neglect her. It is complete different

These women has to be taken in otherwise they won't have means to provide themselves with because their men died in battle fighting. There is a great wisdom behind it.

Even from the soldiers amongst the muslims if he dies his wife marries another soldier from amongst the muslims so that he can provide for her

Muslim follows rule from God. That is the different. Muslim troops when they won the war, they are not exploiting the situation. The mercy of Muslim troops is well known after Muslim clashed with European powers during the Crusade. I bet you heard Saladin right ?

Musim troops usually will stay outside the town they have captured, it is why there are new cities being made during Islamic conquest like in Kuffah, Iraq. Freedom of religion is maintained and enforced, this is also why Jews are still survive until Today despite being ruled by Muslim for more than 1000 years.

They were actully affluent in that period and they were killed in masses after the reconquista the jews. They were affluent in Al-Andulsia also

 

[fitpOsitive]

Hummm,

Islam has a history of merciful conquers starting from Mohammad bin Qasim to bagadadi. World has never seen such merciful conquers.

No, Islamic conquerors starts from Prophet Muhammad SW (even before that, as Islam consideres all Prophets as Muslims).
Today, Hindus are left Hindus because of sudden murder of Muhammad bin Qasim, and then later the people who conquered Hindu lands were corrupt (Afghanis and central Asian).
Hinduism is loosing to Islam, and that's the reason why what left of Hinduism is always targeting Islam and Muslims, and those Muslims who are helpless in India.
So you see, how deep In a state of inferiority complex and weakness Hinduism is in current times?

Explain this hadith:

Muhairiz said “I entered the mosque and saw Abu Sa’id Al Khudri . I sat with him and asked about withdrawing the penis (while having intercourse). Abu Sa’id said We went out with the Apostle of Allaah(ﷺ) on the expedition to Banu Al Mustaliq and took some Arab women captive and we desired the women for we were suffering from the absence of our wives and we wanted ransom, so we intended to withdraw the penis (while having intercourse with the slave women). But we asked ourselves “can we draw the penis when the Apostle of Allaah(ﷺ) is among us before asking him about it? So we asked him about it. He said “it does not matter if you do not do it, for very soul that is to be born up to the Day of Resurrection will be born.”

Hadith - Book of Marriage (Kitab Al-Nikah) - Sunan Abi Dawud - Sunnah.com - Sayings and Teachings of Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه و سلم)

Muhairiz said “I entered the mosque and saw Abu Sa’id Al Khudri . I sat with him and asked about withdrawing the penis (while having intercourse). Abu Sa’id said We went out with the Apostle of Allaah(ﷺ) on the expedition to Banu Al Mustaliq and took some Arab women captive and we desired th

sunnah.com

They are divided among the Muslims as war booty.

In those days, Islam was not the only religion doing that. It was a general custom and slavery was common.

 

[TNT]

You haven't read the hadiths clearly.

Start here: https://sunnah.com/

Chapter: The sale of a slave (for a slave) and an animal for an animal on credit

" Amongst the captives was Safiya. First she was given to Dihya Al-Kalbi and then to the Prophet. "

Sahih al-Bukhari 2228 - Sales and Trade - Sunnah.com - Sayings and Teachings of Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه و سلم)

Narrated Anas: Amongst the captives was Safiya. First she was given to Dihya Al-Kalbi and then to the Prophet.

sunnah.com

Literally a human being given away as property

Here's another

" Anas said “Captives were gathered at Khaibar. Dihyah came out and said “Apostle of Allaah(ﷺ) give me a slave girl from the captives.” He said “Go and take a slave girl. He took Safiyyah daughter of Huyayy. "

Sunan Abi Dawud 2998 - Tribute, Spoils, and Rulership (Kitab Al-Kharaj, Wal-Fai' Wal-Imarah) - Sunnah.com - Sayings and Teachings of Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه و سلم)

Anas said “Captives were gathered at Khaibar. Dihyah came out and said “Apostle of Allaah(ﷺ) give me a slave girl from the captives.” He said “Go and take a slave girl. He took Safiyyah daughter of Huyayy. A man then came to the Prophet (ﷺ) and said “You gave Safiyyah daughter of Huyay

sunnah.com

The men and boys of the Banu Qurayza would beg to differ...

Maybe ur too stupid to comprehend but what did i say that denies slavery existed? Slavery was allowed but slaves had rights, u could not treat a slave badly. The biggest act of charity and kindness in Islam is freeing a slave. In Islam, mostly punishment for missing worships is freeing slaves or giving food to the hungry and poor. Bilal RA a top companion of the Propher SAW was a slave. Later on muslim slaves rose to rule. Mamluks were turk slaves but raised to rule and they beat mongols. These rights were given 1400 years ago while ur masters and champions of human rights in west trated slaves like animals till 1950s. Killing slaves was never a crime while in Islam kt was a crime 1400 years ago. Learn a few things if u dont know, or maybe ur just that biased jealous kafir.

 

[samv]

Maybe ur too stupid to comprehend but what did i say that denies slavery existed? Slavery was allowed but slaves had rights, u could not treat a slave badly. The biggest act of charity and kindness in Islam is freeing a slave. In Islam, mostly punishment for missing worships is freeing slaves or giving food to the hungry and poor. Bilal RA a top companion of the Propher SAW was a slave. Later on muslim slaves rose to rule. Mamluks were turk slaves but raised to rule and they beat mongols. These rights were given 1400 years ago while ur masters and champions of human rights in west trated slaves like animals till 1950s. Killing slaves was never a crime while in Islam kt was a crime 1400 years ago. Learn a few things if u dont know, or maybe ur just that biased jealous kafir.

Thank you for admitting that slavery was allowed and encouraged.

Even the Prophet Muhammad owned and bought slaves.

I came and behold, Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) was staying on a Mashroba (attic room) and a black slave of Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) was at the top if its stairs. I said to him, "(Tell the Prophet) that here is `Umar bin Al- Khattab (asking for permission to enter)." Then he admitted me.

Sahih al-Bukhari 7263 - Accepting Information Given by a Truthful Person - Sunnah.com - Sayings and Teachings of Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه و سلم)

Narrated `Umar: I came and behold, Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) was staying on a Mashroba (attic room) and a black slave of Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) was at the top if its stairs. I said to him, "(Tell the Prophet) that here is `Umar bin Al- Khattab (asking for permission to enter)." Then he admitted m

sunnah.com

Men were killed and the women were divided as property.

"The major reason Islam was so successful was due to chivalry and mercy"

False claim.

No, Islamic conquerors starts from Prophet Muhammad SW (even before that, as Islam consideres all Prophets as Muslims).
Today, Hindus are left Hindus because of sudden murder of Muhammad bin Qasim, and then later the people who conquered Hindu lands were corrupt (Afghanis and central Asian).
Hinduism is loosing to Islam, and that's the reason why what left of Hinduism is always targeting Islam and Muslims, and those Muslims who are helpless in India.
So you see, how deep In a state of inferiority complex and weakness Hinduism is in current times?

In those days, Islam was not the only religion doing that. It was a general custom and slavery was common.

So Islam is like all other religions and is a religion for all time?

you are using some strange hadith in relation to this. That hadith is collected because alot of people obviously pull out I mean married people. Having concubines is allowed by the way but you must have her with you as she is your woman. It is not like where you can neglect her. It is complete different

These women has to be taken in otherwise they won't have means to provide themselves with because their men died in battle fighting. There is a great wisdom behind it.

Even from the soldiers amongst the muslims if he dies his wife marries another soldier from amongst the muslims so that he can provide for her


They were actully affluent in that period and they were killed in masses after the reconquista the jews. They were affluent in Al-Andulsia also

So the men are killed and the women are taken as captives and they are made to have sex with their captors.

And that's great wisdom to you?

OK.

 

[OldenWisdom...قول بزرگ]

Thank you for admitting that slavery was allowed and encouraged.

Even the Prophet Muhammad owned and bought slaves.

I came and behold, Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) was staying on a Mashroba (attic room) and a black slave of Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) was at the top if its stairs. I said to him, "(Tell the Prophet) that here is `Umar bin Al- Khattab (asking for permission to enter)." Then he admitted me.

Sahih al-Bukhari 7263 - Accepting Information Given by a Truthful Person - Sunnah.com - Sayings and Teachings of Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه و سلم)

Narrated `Umar: I came and behold, Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) was staying on a Mashroba (attic room) and a black slave of Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) was at the top if its stairs. I said to him, "(Tell the Prophet) that here is `Umar bin Al- Khattab (asking for permission to enter)." Then he admitted m

sunnah.com

Men were killed and the women were divided as property.

"The major reason Islam was so successful was due to chivalry and mercy"

False claim.


So Islam is like all other religions and is a religion for all time?



So the men are killed and the women are taken as captives and they are made to have sex with their captors.

And that's great wisdom to you?

OK.

Salvery, IS, allowed, not was!
That being a direct repercussion of going into conflict against Muslims/Islam. Men/Women are the only ones that are dealt that fate... because, guess what lifetime imprisonment sentences do/did not exist! Their(enemy combatants) fate is integration into an Islamic society! One where offsprings become direct members and one where Muslims may set them free for acts of charity or in lieu of a sinful act.

It is interesting for a non believer to be this curious on not only unrelated affairs but ones that are now hypothetical!

 

[samv]

Salvery, IS, allowed, not was!
That being a direct repercussion of going into conflict against Muslims/Islam. Men/Women are the only ones that are dealt that fate... because, guess what lifetime imprisonment sentences do/did not exist! Their(enemy combatants) fate is integration into an Islamic society! One where offsprings become direct members and one where Muslims may set them free for acts of charity or in lieu of a sinful act.

It is interesting for a non believer to be this curious on not only unrelated affairs but ones that are now hypothetical!

Yes you're right. Slavery is legal in Islam. Islam did not abolish slavery - it legalised it and it was practiced by Prophet Muhammad himself (as recorded in the hadiths). Sex with captives is also allowed as recorded in the hadiths. This is what happened to the Yazidis; the men were slaughtered and the women were taken as property and divided among the fighters.

Alcohol and pork is prohibited in Islam. But not slavery.

Objectively I don't understand how people contest this.

I'd like to think that it is not that strange for people to study different religions. I like learning about world religions.

 

[Titanium100]

Yes you're right. Slavery is legal in Islam. Islam did not abolish slavery - it legalised it and it was practiced by Prophet Muhammad himself (as recorded in the hadiths). Sex with captives is also allowed as recorded in the hadiths. This is what happened to the Yazidis; the men were slaughtered and the women were taken as property and divided among the fighters.

Alcohol and pork is prohibited in Islam. But not slavery.

Objectively I don't understand how people contest this.

I'd like to think that it is not that strange for people to study different religions. I like learning about world religions.

Slavery was viewed negatively and the prophet encouraged to release slaves. Most of these slaves come from pre-Islam. specifically the one who mentioned on the up.

As for these concubines and conquered kids they were legal in order to provide for them and no Islam didn't kill all men only these who were combatants. Islam is not like any other religion. The others were barbarians straight up and responsible for races going extinct.

They had by far the most humane laws in times of war and merciful towards humanity specifically towards the weak

 

[Iltutmish]

Add to that why did Zoroastrian Parsis ran away from Persia to settle in India.

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vae_victis
2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoroastrian_Empire

The Persians were conquerors themselves, so please cry me a river. You lost and went to India overcome your past please.