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The Kurdish woman building a feminist democracy and fighting Isis at the same time

What hissy fit?

What proof? A faulty researcher who states that Jews are not semitic, defeating your entire point? Either way I can see all you want to do is provoke and push around others, troll.
I already showed you how the ethnic Kurds are genetically closer to the Semitic-speaking Israelis and Levantines than to other Indo-European-speaking groups.

Must I spoon-feed you the facts or something?

Again, please relax, and try to have a mature discussion.

The same woman who stated this?

In 2001, Dr. Ariella Oppenheim, of Hebrew University, a biologist, published the first extensive study of DNA and the origin of the Jews. Her research found that virtually all the Jews came from Khazar blood. Not only that but Oppenheim discovered that the Palestinians—the very people whom the Jews had been persecuting and ejecting from Israel’s land since 1948—had more Israelite blood than did the Jews. In sum, the vast majority of the Jews were not Jews; some of the Palestinians were. Some of the Palestinians even had a DNA chromosome which established that they were “Cohens”—workers at the ancient Temple and synagogues of the Jews

Read more: http://www.city-data.com/forum/hist...-all-jews-not-seed-abraham.html#ixzz4Ve85vHGt
This isn't true, by the way.

This was fabricated by a conspiracy theorist by the name of Texe Marrs.

She never published anything in favor of the Khazar conspiracy theory.

Please stop embarrassing yourself.

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Dr. Ariella Oppenheim of Hebrew University never claimed that the modern-day Jews were descendants of the Khazars. That's a complete and utter lie. This claim was made up by a conspiracy theorist by the name of Texe Marrs who believes in things such as the Illuminati, etc.

Here's what Dr. Ariella Oppenheim published in 2001:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1274378/

Her findings concluded that the modern-day Jewish people are in fact the descendants of ancient Israelites who inhabited the Levant region. Their closest relatives were Jewish and Muslim Kurds, and their most distant relatives in the region were the Bedouins of the Negev desert.

She never said the Jews weren't Semitic.

Hebrew University is a well-respected university by international standards.

As I showed you on the previous page, the Kurds are genetically closely related to the Semitic-speaking Israelis and other Levantine peoples.

You really embarrassed yourself in this thread. Well done.

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I already showed you how the ethnic Kurds are genetically closer to the Semitic-speaking Israelis and Levantines than to other Indo-European-speaking groups.

Must I spoon-feed you the facts or something?

Again, please relax, and try to have a mature discussion.


This isn't true, by the way.

This was fabricated by a conspiracy theorist by the name of Texe Marrs.

She never published anything in favor of the Khazar conspiracy theory.

Please stop embarrassing yourself.

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@EgyptianAmerican

Dr. Ariella Oppenheim of Hebrew University never claimed that the modern-day Jews were descendants of the Khazars. That's a complete and utter lie. This claim was made up by a conspiracy theorist by the name of Texe Marrs who believes in things such as the Illuminati, etc.

Here's what Dr. Ariella Oppenheim published in 2001:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1274378/

Her findings concluded that the modern-day Jewish people are in fact the descendants of ancient Israelites who inhabited the Levant region. Their closest relatives were Jewish and Muslim Kurds, and their most distant relatives in the region were the Bedouins of the Negev desert.

She never said the Jews weren't Semitic.

Hebrew University is a well-respected university by international standards.

As I showed you on the previous page, the Kurds are genetically closely related to the Semitic-speaking Israelis and other Levantine peoples.

You really embarrassed yourself in this thread. Well done.

First off that picture is way too large. Please tone it down.

Study Populations

Ashkenazi Jews
DNA samples were extracted from mouth swabs collected from 79 paternally unrelated, otherwise randomly selected, self-designated Ashkenazim in Israel. The Ashkenazi subjects' paternal families came from various parts of Europe, spanning areas from Germany, in the west, to Russia, in the east.

Sephardic Jews
DNA samples were extracted from mouth swabs collected from 78 paternally unrelated, otherwise randomly selected, self-designated Sephardic Jews in Israel. Here the term “Sephardic Jews” refers to Jews from Mediterranean and Middle Eastern countries. Our sample consisted of two groups. The first, designated the “North African sample” (55 subjects), comprised 37 individuals from North African countries (primarily Morocco), 13 from Turkey, 3 from the Iberian Peninsula, and 2 from Bulgaria. The second group was designated the “Iraqi sample” (23 subjects), and it contained 20 Jews from Iraq and 3 from Syria.

Kurdish Jews
Y chromosomes of 99 Kurdish Jews from all over Israel, unrelated at the paternal great-grandfather level, were analyzed. Most of the DNA samples (79) were anonymously obtained from the DNA collection established in our laboratory for the study of hematological disorders. The remainder (20 samples) were collected, by mouth swab, from randomly selected volunteers of self-identified Kurdish Jewish descent. The paternal ancestors of the majority of the subjects had lived in northern Iraq.

Muslim Kurds
Ninety-five DNA samples of Muslim Kurds were obtained, as described elsewhere (Brinkmann et al. 1999). The large majority of the subjects originated from northern Iraq.

Palestinian Arabs
Data on 17 Y chromosome polymorphisms of 143 Muslim Arabs residing in Israel and the Palestinian Authority Area (designated in other reports as “Israeli & Palestinian Arabs [I & P Arabs]”) were as reported elsewhere (Nebel et al. 2000, 2001). The same specimens were typed, in the present study, for two additional markers (p12f2 and M172).

Bedouin
Anonymous DNA samples of 30 male Bedouin from the Negev were obtained from the National Laboratory for the Genetics of Israeli Populations, Tel Aviv University. Two additional samples were from our DNA depository.

Other populations
Data on 122 Russians, 112 Poles, 41 Byelorussians, 167 Turks, 89 Armenians, 126 Spaniards, 385 Portuguese, and 129 North Africans (Berbers and Arabs described by Rosser et al. [2000]), along with data on 89 Syrians, 31 Jordanians, and 30 Lebanese (R. Villems and S. Rootsi, unpublished data) were used for comparison at the haplogroup level.


Too small of a study sample to actually account for all Kurds and All Jews and please note that they are self-designated and not proven.


Not only that but how can we confirm they are who they say they are? Weren't Yemeni Jews stolen from their parents and given to European Jews?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yemenite_Children_Affair

This clearly explains how they could be related since Israeli Jews make it a habit to steal Arab Jew children and brainwash them into thinking they aren't Arab.

Please come up with Real data. Thank you.


Also stop dragging me into your retarded rants troll. I have already made it clear.
 
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Too small of a study sample to actually account for all Kurds and All Jews and please note that they are self-designated and not proven.


Please come up with Real data. Thank you.


Also stop dragging me into your retarded rants troll. I have already made it clear.
Too small? :laugh::laugh::laugh:

Just do yourself a favor and stop replying lol.

You already embarrassed yourself in this thread by posting rubbish on the previous page, which turned out be conspiratorial nonsense.

You know nothing about DNA haplogroups, nor are you even academically qualified to pass judgment on those who actually know what they're talking about lol.

Swallow your pride and accept the facts.

The study says that the Indo-European-speaking Kurds are genetically very close to the Semitic-speaking Israeli/Levantine Jews.

And I tried explaining it to you by showing you the Y-chromosomal haplogroup composition of the ethnic Kurds.

You're not doing yourself any favor by burying your head in the sand lol.

What else did I expect from someone who thinks the Bible is a history book? :laugh::laugh::laugh:
 
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Too small? :laugh::laugh::laugh:

Just do yourself a favor and stop replying lol.

You already embarrassed yourself in this thread by posting rubbish on the previous page, which turned out be conspiratorial nonsense.

You know nothing about DNA haplogroups, nor are you even academically qualified to pass judgment on those who actually know what they're talking about lol.

Swallow your pride and accept the facts.

The study says that the Indo-European-speaking Kurds are genetically very close to the Semitic-speaking Israeli/Levantine Jews.

And I tried explaining it to you by showing you the Y-chromosomal haplogroup composition of the ethnic Kurds.

You're not doing yourself any favor by burying your head in the sand lol.

What else did I expect from someone who thinks the Bible is a history book? :laugh::laugh::laugh:


Too small of a study sample to actually account for all Kurds and All Jews and please note that they are self-designated and not proven.


Not only that but how can we confirm they are who they say they are? Weren't Yemeni Jews stolen from their parents and given to European Jews?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yemenite_Children_Affair

This clearly explains how they could be related since Israeli Jews make it a habit to steal Arab Jew children and brainwash them into thinking they aren't Arab.

Please come up with Real data. Thank you.


Also stop dragging me into your retarded rants troll. I have already made it clear.


Also who brought up the bible? Not me certainly, ever.
 
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Ladies and Gentleman the good terrorists:

SYRIA: US ALLY’S RAZING OF VILLAGES AMOUNTS TO WAR CRIMES


A fact-finding mission to northern Syria has uncovered a wave of forced displacement and home demolitions amounting to war crimes carried out by the Autonomous Administration led by the Syrian Kurdish political party Partiya Yekîtiya Demokrat (PYD) controlling the area, said Amnesty International in a report published today. The Autonomous Administration is a key ally, on the ground, of the US-led coalition fighting against the armed group calling itself the Islamic State (IS) in Syria.

‘We had nowhere else to go’: Forced displacement and demolitions in northern Syria reveals evidence of alarming abuses, including eyewitness accounts and satellite images, detailing the deliberate displacement of thousands of civilians and the razing of entire villages in areas under the control of the Autonomous Administration, often in retaliation for residents’ perceived sympathies with, or ties to, members of IS or other armed groups.


“By deliberately demolishing civilian homes, in some cases razing and burning entire villages, displacing their inhabitants with no justifiable military grounds, the Autonomous Administration is abusing its authority and brazenly flouting international humanitarian law, in attacks that amount to war crimes,” said Lama Fakih, Senior Crisis Advisor at Amnesty International.

“In its fight against IS, the Autonomous Administration appears to be trampling all over the rights of civilians who are caught in the middle. We saw extensive displacement and destruction that did not occur as a result of fighting. This report uncovers clear evidence of a deliberate, co-ordinated campaign of collective punishment of civilians in villages previously captured by IS, or where a small minority were suspected of supporting the group.”

Some civilians said they were threatened with US-led coalition airstrikes if they failed to leave.

Amnesty International researchers visited 14 towns and villages in al- Hasakeh and al-Raqqa governorates in July and August 2015, to investigate the forced displacement of residents and demolition of homes in areas under the control of the Autonomous Administration.

Satellite images obtained by Amnesty International illustrate the scale of the demolitions in Husseiniya village, in Tel Hamees countryside. The images show 225 buildings standing in June 2014 but only 14 remaining in June 2015 – a shocking reduction of 93.8%.

In February 2015, the Autonomous Administration’s military wing, the YPG (the People’s Protection Units), took control of the area, which had been under IS control, and began demolitions, displacing villagers. Researchers visiting Husseiniya saw ruins of destroyed homes and interviewed eyewitnesses.

“They pulled us out of our homes and began burning the home… they brought the bulldozers... They demolished home after home until the entire village was destroyed,” said one witness.

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Satellite imagery from Husseinya village taken in June 2015 © CNES 2015, Distribution AIRBUS DS
In villages south of the town of Suluk, some residents said YPG fighters had accused them of supporting IS and threatened to shoot them if they did not leave. While in some cases residents acknowledged that there had been a handful of IS supporters in their villages the majority were not supporters of the group.

In other cases, villagers said YPG fighters had ordered them to leave threatening them with US coalition airstrikes if they failed to comply.

“They told us we had to leave or they would tell the US coalition that we were terrorists and their planes would hit us and our families,” said one resident, Safwan.

The YPG has justified the forced displacement of civilians by saying it was necessary for the civilians’ own protection or militarily necessary.

“It is critical that the US-led coalition fighting IS in Syria and all other states supporting the Autonomous Administration, or co-ordinating with it militarily, do not turn a blind eye to such abuses. They must take a public stand condemning forced displacement and unlawful demolitions and ensure their military assistance is not contributing to violations of international humanitarian law,” said Lama Fakih.

It is critical that the US-led coalition fighting IS in Syria and all other states supporting the Autonomous Administration, or co-ordinating with it militarily, do not turn a blind eye to such abuses.
Lama Fakih

In one particularly vicious attack, YPG fighters poured petrol on a house, threatening to set it alight while the inhabitants were still inside.

“They started pouring fuel in my in-laws’ house. My mother-in-law was there refusing to leave and they just poured it around her…They found my father-in-law and began hitting him on his hands… I said, ‘Even if you burn my house I will get a tent and pitch it.This is in my place. I will stay in my place,” said Bassma.

Although the majority of residents affected by these unlawful practices are Arabs and Turkmen, in some cases, for example in the mixed town of Suluk, Kurdish residents have also been barred by the YPG and Asayish, the Autonomous Administration’s police force, from returning to their homes. Elsewhere, for example in Abdi Koy village, a small number of Kurdish residents have also been forcibly displaced by the YPG.

In an interview with Amnesty International, the head of the Asayish admitted civilians had been forcibly displaced but dismissed these as “isolated incidents”. The spokesperson for the YPG repeated claims that civilians were being moved for their own security.
However, many residents said they were forced to leave even though their villages had not been the site of clashes, or were at a distance from the frontline and there was no danger from improvised explosive devices (IEDs) laid by IS. Forcibly displacing civilians without imperative military necessity is a violation of international humanitarian law.

“The Autonomous Administration must immediately stop the unlawful demolition of civilian homes, compensate all civilians whose homes were unlawfully destroyed, cease unlawful forced displacements, and allow civilians to return and rebuild,” said Lama Fakih.
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https://www.amnesty.org/en/press-re...lys-razing-of-villages-amounts-to-war-crimes/

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SYRIA: 'WE HAD NOWHERE TO GO' - FORCED DISPLACEMENT AND DEMOLITIONS IN NORTHERN SYRIA
By Amnesty International, 13 October 2015, Index number: MDE 24/2503/2015

Civilians living in areas of northern Syria under the de facto control of the Autonomous Administration led by the Partiya Yekîtiya Demokrat (Democratic Union Party, PYD) are being subjected to serious abuses that include forced displacement and home demolitions. The Autonomous Administration has failed to provide civilians with compensation for their losses or alternative housing. Many of the civilians who have lost their homes and properties have nowhere else to go. While some have sought refuge in southern Turkey, others are displaced in Syria at times living in schools, camps, or with relatives. This report documents the deliberate demolition of civilian homes and the forced displacement of civilians, and in some instances entire villages, by the Autonomous Administration, in particular its police and military wings. While the Autonomous Administration has claimed that its forced displacement of civilians was not arbitrary because it was necessary on military grounds or for the security or protection of local residents, this report documents cases in which there was no such justification. Amnesty International considers that these instances of forced displacement, demolitions and confiscation of civilian property constitute war crimes.

https://www.amnesty.org/en/press-re...lys-razing-of-villages-amounts-to-war-crimes/
 
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The Kurdish woman building a feminist democracy and fighting Isis at the same time
The leader of the most revolutionary women’s rights movement in the world talks to The Independent about how her ideals have found a home in the middle of the war on Isis
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...time-syria-kurdistan-rojava-new-a7487151.html

Asya Abdullah is not a polished politician. She speaks slowly and deliberately in Kurmanji in a tone which suggests she has had to practise her material many times.

But despite the reserved and careful exterior, Abdullah is one of the most radical and effective revolutionaries in the world today.

In the chaos of Syria’s civil war, the country’s Kurdish population has seized the chance to wrest their own destiny from the hands of others.

Long marginalised by the Baathist regime in Damascus, after repelling government forces in 2012 Syria’s Kurds have managed to carve out a relatively peaceful and stable new societal order based in Rojava in the north, flourishing despite the presence of enemies such as Isis on all sides.

Abdullah has been a driving force in the battle for Kurdish freedom - but as the female co-chair of the Syrian Democratic Union Party, elected alongside male representative Salih Muslim in 2010, it is her particular role to safeguard women’s liberation.

“The hallmark of a free and democratic life is a free woman,” she said in her keynote speech at the Rojava New World Embassy in Oslo at the end of November.

“Isis would like to reduce women to slaves and body parts. We show them they’re wrong. We can do anything.”

The Rojava experiment is unlike any other. Coalitions between the local Assyrian, Arab and Kurdish populations have created a small society by and large run on the principles of a communal economy, harmony with the environment, and self governance.

It is also hard to conceive just how radically the Kurdish administration has overturned the existing state structures in Syria by putting women’s emancipation at the forefront of the the sociopolitical agenda.

Women in Rojava have equal status in property law, forced and underage marriage has been banned, quotas for women and ethnic groups ensure representation at all levels of politics - and of course, the armed women’s fighting units, known as the YPJ, have played a central role in the liberation of towns such as Kobani and Manbij.

What the Kurds broadly want, despite some infighting and extreme pushback from neighbouring Turkey, is ‘stateless democracy’ - the idea that in a federalised Syria, their autonomy can be maintained on a local level, with a focus on ‘bottom up’ power and little to no interference from the state.

“This is the third way,” Abdullah told The Independent on the sidelines of the New World Embassy sessions. “We have been so busy working and sending representatives to spread the word around the world this is the first time many in the administration have been in the same room in years.”

The delegates were brought together by Dutch artist Jonas Staal as part of his ‘New World Summit’ project, a series designed to create “spaces of assembly that represent a new world and a new democratic ideal in the making.”

Blacklisted or otherwise marginalised independence movements, such as those in Rojava, Somaliland, Catalonia and the Azawad movement in Mali, have been invited to New World Summits to explore what ‘stateless democracy’ means in theory and practice.

Over the course of a weekend around 1,000 observers, democracy activists, politicians and journalists descended on Oslo’s City Hall, home of the Nobel Peace Prize, to see Staal’s temporary Rojava embassy - a circular construction designed to reflect the openness and dynamism of the new world the Kurds are seeking to create.

The prevailing consensus on the political left is that the current crises in global democracy - the EU’s inability to combat the refugee crisis, the rise of right wing populism across Europe and the US - show that our post World War II models are failing, Staal says. His work is designed to open up the idea other democratic political models are possible.

“Contemporary parliamentary democracy is in itself not much more than a century old. In that sense, I don’t trust the stability of anything. Our political, economic and environmental crises have brought us to a crossroads,” he said.

“So, we have to ask ourselves: what kind of politics do we truly desire? Defending what we have is no longer enough, we must push forward.”

The war on terror, Staal and his colleagues argue, has emerged as the greatest threat to democracy in the 21st century. “Rojava is democracy with a vengeance,” he said. “The region, historically, has had types of government and statehood thrust upon it with little say in how to govern themselves. Now it is the Kurds and their allies that tell us what a genuine democracy actually looks like.”

It seems unthinkable - “Until you remember that the modern European continent - from the French to the Russian revolution - also emerged out of a revolutionary situation,” he added.

In providing an effective ground force against Isis, the Kurds have completely changed the course of Syria’s war, and their role in the country’s future, whether embattled President Bashar al-Assad stays or goes, is crucial.

Despite this, the Rojava administration has been shut out of all peace talks at the request of Sunni rebel groups. The experiment also faces renewed hostility from Turkey - recently the YPG said a military base near Kobani had been targeted by Turkish artillery fire - and can no longer necessarily count on support from the US now that the incoming Trump administration has signalled it wants to work with Assad to defeat Isis.

Abdullah is stoic, however, about the Rojava experiment’s future.

“Our first responsibility is to protect our sisters, to protect all women. That’s why our revolution is working, why Arab women and Yazidi women join when they see us. You can’t have real change without putting women at the centre,” she said.

Kurdish women, of course, literally fight for their rights - they take on Assad’s army and allied militias, Turkish-backed forces, and Isis. The creation of the YPJ, or women’s fighting units, is a fascinating development in a region where women’s rights are often repressed.

“People think this movement sprang up out of nowhere,” said Abdullah’s colleague Sinem Mohammed, who represents the party’s interests in Europe. “But we’ve been working towards this for the last twenty years. For some of us, all our lives.”

The formation of the YPJ has led to a flurry of sensationalist, sexist media coverage on ‘badass’ women who fight Isis: The death of one 22-year-old fighter in August was reported as the demise of the ‘Kurdish Angelina Jolie’ because of her looks.

Several of Asia Ramazan Antar’s fellow soldiers died in the same car bomb near Manbij but their deaths were not reported in English language media, many Kurdish sources were quick to notice.

“This narrative, it wasn’t our idea. I wish we had better control of it,” Abdullah muses. “They say it’s propaganda, that we should merge the women’s units with the men’s units. But they exist as separate for a reason. We have the YPJ because women need their own autonomy, to prove they can do things themselves.”

Such symbolism is important to the fledgling state. The flags of dozens of fighting units - mostly made up of the colours yellow, green and red, with variations on stars, constellations and laurel leaves - made up the walls of the temporary embassy in Oslo, and will be incorporated into the real building when it is inaugurated in the spring.

There is evidence that the Kurds' visionary and bold ideals are taking root elsewhere. In the past few months, hundreds of Yazidi and Arab women, freed from Isis by Kurdish women, have taken up arms to defend themselves in recent months with training from the YPJ.

“I am proud to join [the fight], especially after suffering a lot of suppression in my private life. Being a part of those forces would give me the opportunity to protect other women in my society and fight for their rights,” one new Arab recruit in Manbij said.

The future for Abdullah’s female fighting units is uncertain, though. At the New World Summit the official party line was one of buoyant optimism that when - not if - Assad regains control of the country, in recognition of their track record of success against Isis and autonomous de facto ‘state’, in a federal Syria, they will be left to their own devices.

There is some evidence that despite protesting their status as ‘second class citizens’ under successive Damascene governments, the Kurds are not immune to realpolitiking if needs be: YPG fighters in Aleppo worked alongside government troops and Shia militias to bring down the city in recent months.

As is ever the case in Syria’s unpredictable and bloody civil war, it is unlikely things will play out in the Rojava administration's favour as much as they would like. Turkey is an ever-expanding threat to their new-found sovereignty and relations between Turkish President Recep Erdogan and the Syrian government, as well as Russian leader Vladimir Putin, are thawing, despite the assassination of the Russian ambassador to Turkey two weeks ago.

If Rojava is to survive, awareness of what they are trying to achieve is key, Abdullah notes. But even more pressingly, she says, more women around the world need to become aware of their own fight.

In a political climate where 53 per cent of American white women chose to vote for Donald Trump - a man with double digit sexual assault accusations to his name - over a real live female candidate, there is sad evidence she is right.

“It’s all step by step. But we have no other choice. You say, ‘Why build when the foundations are unstable?’, but that is fatalistic. We need to build quality of life and security wherever we can.

“My message is that individual women around the world need to start paying attention to their own rights. That is what I ask. To understand yourself and the connection our movement has to women’s struggles all over the world... That’s what we fight for.”

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lol the most propagandized fantasy they are terrorist as well as war criminals
 
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