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The Hard Politics Of Fighter Aircraft: India, Russia, and the PAK FA

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The Hard Politics Of Fighter Aircraft: India, Russia, and the PAK FA

The Indian Air Force looks away from Russia for its fifth-generation fighter needs.
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By Robert Farley
January 23, 2014

The announcement in the Business Standard that the Indian Air Force was less than interested in continuing its relationship with Russia over the PAK FA came as a major surprise. Notwithstanding Indian interest in generation 4.5 fighters such as the Rafale, collaboration with the Russians on the PAK FA was intended to deliver India a fifth generation stealth fighter, as well as a variety of technology transfers. The Indian Air Force had a multitude of complaints, ranging from poor technology to bad engines to sloppy construction.

One lesson is that all advance defense programs have trouble, including the Russian ones. The endless series of difficulties with the F-35 are less the exception that the rule (even granting that the F-35′s troubles may be truly exceptional). We know less about these difficulties because the Russian procurement system isn’t nearly as open to scrutiny as the American one. Russian secrecy doesn’t approach that of Soviet times (Sukhoi recently publisheda set of patent applications associated with the stealth features of the PAK FA), but it’s not surprising that the problems with the PAK FA have emerged as result of collaboration with India. Indeed, this development lends further support to the idea that the real disciplinary force in fighter acquisition and innovation will be the increasingly sophisticated export market.

From an American point of view, the reassuring part of this story is that every fifth generation fighter project is likely to suffer from significant problems. We’ll know less about the teething problems with the J-20 and the J-31 than of those with the F-35 because China’s defense sector remains closed, but any plausible analysis must take into account the likelihood of technical difficulties. Indeed, given that the Chinese defense industry is considerably less experienced with cutting edge aircraft than even the Russians, it’s almost irresponsible to assume that the PLAAF will avoid operational and procurement pitfalls.

While it might be emotionally satisfying to crow over the deficiencies of an adversary fighter, air forces and navies actually have incentive to do the opposite. A more fearsome opponent serves to drive investment and procurement, while a realistic appraisal of enemy capabilities could result in corresponding cuts. For example, the Department of Defense worried that the MiG-23 was a world-beating fighter, before it tested out a few copies and determined that it was a deeply troubled aircraft. Even after reliable information about the Flogger emerged, it took a long time for assessments of its capabilities to filter through the U.S. defense community.

Granting the complexity of the fifth generation fighter project hardly absolves the Pentagon and Lockheed Martin, but it does put the experience in some perspective. Further, while the problems of the F-35 have surely strained ties with some partners, few have been as vocal about rejecting the aircraft as the Business Standard story suggests of the IAF. Moving forward, the question becomes whether India will use this incident to leverage a better deal out of the Russians, or if it will look elsewhere for its fifth generation fighter requirements.


The Hard Politics Of Fighter Aircraft: India, Russia, and the PAK FA | The Diplomat
 
Really tired of this shit. Every Anal- yist is running their own propaganda :hitwall:

1. Its true IAF is unhappy about few things cause they are expecting more value for their money.
2. They express their concerns/expectations to MOD. Thats the right thing to do.
3. Now where it translate as IAF looks away :woot:
4. Some people are rooting for US and they will always do that for their own liking or own benefits whatever the reason may be.
 
there seems to be a deep rooted conspiracy against PAK FA program.. the opinion of IAF is still understandable as consumer and final product user there expectations are high but all the analysts and so many reports makes me wonder who is trying to use the power of a pen to create adverse public opinions....

Strangely, i am sure we wont buy F35 for such big numbers ever.. even if we buy 2 sqds, that also is next to almost impossibl. So who is gng to benefit out of this new propaganda warfare?

Can anyone shed some light on this..
 
there seems to be a deep rooted conspiracy against PAK FA program.. the opinion of IAF is still understandable as consumer and final product user there expectations are high but all the analysts and so many reports makes me wonder who is trying to use the power of a pen to create adverse public opinions....

Strangely, i am sure we wont buy F35 for such big numbers ever.. even if we buy 2 sqds, that also is next to almost impossibl. So who is gng to benefit out of this new propaganda warfare?

Can anyone shed some light on this..

Sukhoi PAK-FA / FGFA: Updates,News & Discussions | Page 120
 
Another classic example of a news-reporter engaging in needless theatrics aimed at converting a non-story into a story..:hitwall:

Here are the undeniable facts that came out during the MAKS-2013 expo:

1) The IAF is aghast that HAL has proposed "surrendering 30% of its 50% work-share" in jointly developing the FGFA with Russia.

2) While the AL-31FP is rated at 123kN, the FGFA prototypes are all using 'Izdelie-117S' turbofans designated as AL-41F-1A & rated at 147kN. These will be replaced by this year-end by a turbofan that’s 25% more powerful & will generate 153kN. This will be the definitive supercruising powerplant for the FGFA & it will be known as the AL-41FU.

3) Distributed-array AESA-MMR panels were showcased during MAKS-2013 & will be common to both the FGFA and T-50 PAK-FA. Consequently, the issue of the Russian Air Force requiring or specifying an AESA-MMR using only a frontal-oriented single-antenna does not even arise.

4) The plan till 2012 was that India would begin inducting the FGFA from 2022 onwards, with the IAF experimental test-pilots from ASTE getting three FGFA prototypes in 2014, 2017 and 2019 for R & D and flight-trials. That plan remains valid till this day.

Engaging in Russia-bashing is fine, PROVIDED one does so with undeniable facts & compelling arguments, instead of spitting out convoluted concoctions.
 
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