The ground under Hasina's feet is shifting: Hindustan Times

[Wood]

Is Hasina loosing popularity in Bangladesh? She is historically a close ally for India. Hope that her glorious reign will continue

 

[bluesky]

Is Hasina loosing popularity in Bangladesh? She is historically a close ally for India. Hope that her glorious reign will continue

A popular person and his/ her party win an election by popular vote. So, do you think she and her party has big popularity when she had to resort to a midnight farcical vote-stuffing election?

Do not you guys ever think how many people she and her law-enforcing guys abducted and killed so far? It is more than 600 souls.

America has imposed sanctions on certain elements in BD and please do not expect her or her party to be elected in the next fair election.

 

[Rushd Alam]

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I suspect it was Dehradun-trained General Ershad who was the mole. He was responsible also for the murder of President Zia.

There was in total 26 assassination attempt on him, I think a lot of peoplenot only Ershad were involved in that. It was a bad day where lapse of judgement on security made the assasination possible.

 

[Wood]

A popular person and his/ her party win an election by popular vote. So, do you think she and her party has big popularity when she had to resort to a midnight farcical vote-stuffing election?

Do not you guys ever think how many people she and her law-enforcing guys abducted and killed so far? It is more than 600 souls.

America has imposed sanctions on certain elements in BD and please do not expect her or her party to be elected in the next fair election.

I do not know much about domestic politics in Bangladesh. But who is the opposition? Is the opposition more conservative than the current ruling party?

 

[Bilal9]

I do not know much about domestic politics in Bangladesh. But who is the opposition? Is the opposition more conservative than the current ruling party?

There is no credible and organized opposition at this time.

She is a benevolent dictator of sorts, but for commercial/industrial progress reasons, she is being tolerated for now.

 

[Wood]

There is no credible and organized opposition at this time.

She is a benevolent dictator of sorts, but for commercial/industrial progress reasons, she is being tolerated for now.

Very strange to have no opposition party in a democracy. You may have a weak opposition, but no opposition is crazy. No one can be that loved

 

[Bilal9]

Very strange to have no opposition party in a democracy. You may have a weak opposition, but no opposition is crazy. No one can be that loved

Democracy is over-rated and doesn't work in uneducated South Asian countries, especially as uneducated as Bangladesh.

You cannot have democracy where you can buy a vote for a Saree or a Lungi. You need a modicum of education to understand what a political candidate brings to the table and will do for your country.

This was the situation some time ago in South Asia and hasn't changed much, really.

This is demonstrated in all countries and especially yours, where a politician can simply dupe gullible hundreds of millions of uneducated and semi-educated people into voting for him and re-electing him, based on nothing but fanning up hoopla and propaganda against religious minorities, painting them as a threat.

Almost all Asian tiger economies rose because of a benevolent dictator type ruler, e.g. Lee Kuan Yew of Singapore, Park Chung Hee in Korea etc.

Large countries like India probably are an exception in how they do democracy, but it is not a true democracy. In any case - democracy will not save India, it is falling further and further behind even Bangladesh, as we can clearly see.

 

[Wood]

Democracy is over-rated and doesn't work in uneducated South Asian countries, especially as uneducated as Bangladesh.

Democracy can only give the government that we deserve. It cannot provide for something that the society is not civilized to achieve. There are authoritarian countries that perform more poorly than democratic countries as well. That is not a one way street.

Speaking for myself, I would rather have the choice to make a mistake (by electing a wrong person) than not have the privilege to make a choice at all. I do not want to loose this freedom of choice in the life that I have to live. This is why I will immigrate to a country like Canada, but never ever immigrate to an authoritarian country.

 

[BananaRepublicUK]

Democracy can only give the government that we deserve. It cannot provide for something that the society is not civilized to achieve. There are authoritarian countries that perform more poorly than democratic countries as well. That is not a one way street.

Speaking for myself, I would rather have the choice to make a mistake (by electing a wrong person) than not have the privilege to make a choice at all. I do not want to loose this freedom of choice in the life that I have to live. This is why I will immigrate to a country like Canada, but never ever immigrate to an authoritarian country.

Then you are a rare person.

People rarely make choices about immigration based on “freedom and democracy”.

It’s almost always based on a combination of personal safety and economics.

This is why Filipinos accept jobs in the Middle East.

And why Europeans go to places like South America.

Same is the case with internal migration. West Bengalis going to the South for IT jobs. They face discrimination in activities like rentals.

 

[Wood]

Then you are a rare person.

People rarely make choices about immigration based on “freedom and democracy”.

Of course, economics is important for me as well. But it cannot be at the expense of my free will to make a political choice in the country that I choose to call home. I don't speak of temporary work visas here, I speak of permanent immigration. I'll not make a personal choice to settle in middle eastern kingdoms or any other authoritarian country.

 

[Bilal9]

Of course, economics is important for me as well. But it cannot be at the expense of my free will to make a political choice in the country that I choose to call home. I don't speak of temporary work visas here, I speak of permanent immigration. I'll not make a personal choice to settle in middle eastern kingdoms or any other authoritarian country.

There are degrees of authoritarianism even in gulf states.

Maybe you speak for yourself. But there are hundreds of thousands of your Indian brothers and sisters working in these authortiarian gulf states. Just to make a better living than they do in India. That is how they build airports and IT parks in Kerala, TN, Karnataka and build other infra investments.

Whether you have a choice to elect the right/wrong leader is irrelevant.

You think you have free choice as a citizen? You don't. None of us do.

Only the powerful moneyed interests and the fabled illuminati decide what is good for you and who your petty ruler will be.

Only thing you need to wish for is the ruler/leader (THAT IS CHOSEN FOR YOU BY PEOPLE FAR MORE POWERFUL THAN EVEN YOUR LEADERS) - decide to aim for 10%+ GDP growth, bring in stability (by stifling rampant chaos) and bring in jobs that feed you and your family. That is the key to being happy for the average citizen. Rest is revisionist garbage.

 

[Wood]

There are degrees of authoritarianism even in gulf states.

Maybe you speak for yourself. But there are hundreds of thousands of your Indian brothers and sisters working in these authortiarian gulf states. Just to make a better living than they do in India. That is how they build airports and IT parks in Kerala, TN, Karnataka and build other infra investments.

Whether you have a choice to elect the right/wrong leader is irrelevant.

You think you have free choice as a citizen? You don't. None of us do.

Only the powerful moneyed interests and the fabled illuminati decide what is good for you and who your petty ruler will be.

Only thing you need to wish for is the ruler/leader (THAT IS CHOSEN FOR YOU BY PEOPLE FAR MORE POWERFUL THAN EVEN YOUR LEADERS) - decide to aim for 10%+ GDP growth, bring in stability (by stifling rampant chaos) and bring in jobs that feed you and your family. That is the key to being happy for the average citizen. Rest is revisionist garbage.

Of course I speak for myself as I've predicated my opinion to begin with.

I can laugh at but not agree with standup comedians who say that voting does not give me political rights. If I choose to dedicate myself, I can join a political party in Canada and work for political objectives that I want to reach. I will make compromises as I see fit to reach the larger goal that I aim for. Plenty of regular people have become political leaders in many democratic countries around the world.

 

[Bilal9]

Of course I speak for myself as I've predicated my opinion to begin with.

I can laugh at but not agree with standup comedians who say that voting does not give me political rights. If I choose to dedicate myself, I can join a political party in Canada and work for political objectives that I want to reach. I will make compromises as I see fit to reach the larger goal that I aim for. Plenty of regular people have become political leaders in many democratic countries around the world.

Take another sip of the Kool-Aid brother.

The system was built as an illusion for you to think you have freedom of choice and can decide your own fate.

You don't.

Your life, livelihood and fate and that of fourteen generations of your successors after you - have been bought, sold and decided already, by people in control who are FAR MORE powerful than you are.

Think.....

 

[Wood]

Take another sip of the Kool-Aid brother.

The system was built as an illusion for you to think you have freedom of choice and can decide your own fate.

You don't.

Your life, livelihood and fate and that of fourteen generations of your successors after you - have been bought, sold and decided already, by people in control who are FAR MORE powerful than you are.

Think.....

Nope. This is looser talk. Democracy does give space for people who can commit to their goals and work to influence majority opinion.

 

[Bilal9]

Nope. This is looser talk. Democracy does give space for people who can commit to their goals and work to influence majority opinion.

Let's agree to disagree then.