The Great Game Changer: Belt and Road Intiative (BRI; OBOR)

[Red Wolf]

What is your point? Do you mock at our WW2 history? I cannot get your laughing point.
1、we chinese didnot surrender as your FRANCE master did at the time of WW2, although we lost many battles and many lives,but won the war.
2、WW2 is none of vietnam business, you just were French colony and the destiny was much worser than us.Vietnam was a eunuch at that time, So, I dont think you have the right to judge any man who had REAL penis and joined WW2.
3、Do you REALLY think the war between Japan and China was over after 1945 FOREVER? Dont be naive,according to our long history,every enemy must be destoryed even if the war would last for centuries,we played this kind of war games with Huns,Turks,Mogolian,Tibetens ...in history, we are familiar with that.NOW is just a break time,Japan cannot move its island away,we can wait for the suitable timing in patience until the new international order changes,we of course will revenge Japan in the future. Japan knows that too,that is why they hold their father legs so tight.
4、You are a Vietnam,I dont know why you have the courage to mock at us?Look at your history,we F you for hundreds of times and thousands of years,that is OUR own long history and that is YOUR own long miserable history. What we did to you in history was much much much worser than Japan did to us at WW2,Do you cowards dare to revenge us?

You are going to make a lot of friends.

 

[Ahiska]

Russia and China will never be real friends.
Russia and China dont think they are equal.
For example the average Russian thinks they are superior to Chinese and that the only thing chinese are good at is cheap products and buying Russias ressources.

 

[kalu_miah]

The Sino-Russian Entente in Eurasia | Asia Times

The Sino-Russian Entente in Eurasia
Author: M.K. Bhadrakumar May 10, 2015 0 Comments

Asia Times News & Features

Belt and Road Initiatives, Eurasian Economic Union, New Cold War, Russia-China

The presence of the Chinese President Xi Jinping at the Victory Day parade in Moscow on May 9 signifies a significant step forward in the strategic partnership between the two big powers. The Chinese media underscored this in no small measure. The following quotes from the dispatches by Xinhua news agency bring out the flavor of what unfolded in Moscow over the weekend:

• Xi’s presence in Moscow “demonstrates China’s determination to safeguard the post-WWII world order.”
• “Xi’s presence and the unprecedented participation of Chinese soldiers in the parade delivered a clear message: China and Russia are seeing eye to eye on upholding the post-war international order and safeguarding world peace.”
• The Red Square parade “is meant to showcase Russia’s great power and unyielding will in front of Western pressure and its determination against attempts at rewriting history and challenging the postwar order.”
• “The parade is not only a military show but a diplomatic event.”

The joint statement signed by Putin and Xi after their talks in the Kremlin on Friday reflects similar views on the major international issues such as Syria, Ukraine, Afghanistan, Iran, North Korea. The portion relating to Ukraine says the two powers urge relevant parties to formulate a comprehensive, balanced and sustainable political solution that takes into full consideration thereasonable interests of all parties concerned.” Beijing has shown a high degree of understanding for Moscow’s core concerns in the Ukraine crisis. [Emphasis added.]

In substantive terms, a second joint statement – again, signed by Putin and Xi) – on the co-relation between the Russia-led Eurasian Economic Union [EAEU] and the China-led Silk Road Economic Belt initiatives stands out as a historic document that elevates the Sino-Russian partnership to unprecedented heights both at a practical level and in political terms.

China has formally stated in the joint statement for the first time its support for the integration processes Russia hopes to develop within the EAEU framework. Two, Moscow and Beijing have agreed to set up a dialogue mechanism for the integration (“docking”) of China’s Belt and Road initiative and Russia’s EAEU project. Three, China will begin talks with the EAEU in an economic and trade cooperation deal.

Indeed, the joint statement contains a big political statement to the effect that the two powers will cooperate in the stable development and regional economic integration of the Eurasian region as a whole and in an endeavor to “safeguard peace and stability on the Eurasian landmass.” (Xinhua)

In sum, the two big powers are committed to coordinating their policies with regard to the vast space encompassing the territories of the former Soviet Union stretching from Central Europe eastward to the Asia-Pacific. This scale of strategic partnership and coordination has no precedent in the history of Sino-Russian relations.

Specifically, eight measures have been identified in the economic sphere to boost regional cooperation, which includes, amongst others, an agreement to “study long-term objective of establishing a free trade zone between China and the EAEU”.

All-in-all, China’s fulsome endorsement of the EAEU and its participation in the Russia-led project (which is closely identified with Putin’s leadership) constitutes a rebuff to the United States which had opposed the project tooth and nail and dubbed it as “a move to re-Sovietize the region.”

Clearly, Tte cold blast of western propaganda against the EAEU failed to impress China. Theprophets of doom have fallen on their face. China’s integration with the EAEU means in effect that a real engine of growth is being hooked to the Russian project. In reality, China is the key to the future of the EAEU. Significantly, Xi has combined his visit to Moscow with a tour of Belarus and Kazakhstan, the two other founder members of the EAEU.

From the Chinese viewpoint, Moscow is now completely on board as regards its Belt and Road Initiative. This is vital for the implementation of the Silk Routes via Russia and Central Asia. Xi can draw satisfaction that it is Mission Accomplished. To be sure, his “business agenda” this week has been to push forward the realization of the Belt and Road Initiative enhancing interconnectivity with Eastern, Central and Western Europe.

China’s embrace of the EAEU increases the possibility of its cooperation with the European Union [EU] – given enough political will, of course, in Brussels. In the ongoing battle for influence and power in Eurasia, Moscow’s hands have been strengthened with China’s support for the EAEU.

On the other hand, China’s presence will also nudge he EAEU to take a pragmatic approach to economic issues. The bottom line is that the EU can no longer simply dismiss this Russia-led integration project. Exploratory efforts may have to begin at some point to identify where the interests of the two unions overlap and Brussels needs to ponder over potential forms of cooperation.

Without doubt, Washington will pull all stops to try to stop such a process of constructive engagement between Brussels and Moscow from advancing. Conceivably, therefore, this process with immense strategic overtones will likely be a long, slow process.

 

[Beast]

Seriously?
I'd say 10 year olds can come with better comebacks than this.
Don't lie now, tell us your real age.
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You are 8 years old aren't you

Clearly the agony is showing on you. Poor thing. Rise of China is a pill hard to swallow. Isn't it?

Super Power China need Russia to save her arse.Russia never looked for anyone when USSR stand against USA. Why does China need Russia now ?

Both China and Russia are righteous. We United against tyrants. Nothing about strength or not

 

[Raphael]

Where have you been @kalu_miah?

 

[kalu_miah]

Where have you been @kalu_miah?

Just busy with personal life. Too many things going on.

 

[empirefighter]

[tQUOTE="Red Wolf, post: 7134004, member: 167994"]You are going to make a lot of friends.

[/QUOTE]
I think our eternal friend is national interest. Every big power is lonely .

Russia and China will never be real friends.
Russia and China dont think they are equal.
For example the average Russian thinks they are superior to Chinese and that the only thing chinese are good at is cheap products and buying Russias ressources.

This thought happens in China as well,but it is we feel we are superior to Russia. As a glory old civilization,we never think the west civilization is superior in heart,not to mention Russia. Actually,superior or not is all about economy! I donot understand what you mean?you mean selling resourse is better than selling industrial products even cheap product?lol.By the way,we cannot become the biggest industrial country by only selling cheap products,we are actually at the middle value chain and move upward very fast.

 

[Lux de Veritas]

The Sino-Russian Entente in Eurasia | Asia Times

The Sino-Russian Entente in Eurasia
Author: M.K. Bhadrakumar May 10, 2015 0 Comments

Asia Times News & Features

Belt and Road Initiatives, Eurasian Economic Union, New Cold War, Russia-China

The presence of the Chinese President Xi Jinping at the Victory Day parade in Moscow on May 9 signifies a significant step forward in the strategic partnership between the two big powers. The Chinese media underscored this in no small measure. The following quotes from the dispatches by Xinhua news agency bring out the flavor of what unfolded in Moscow over the weekend:

• Xi’s presence in Moscow “demonstrates China’s determination to safeguard the post-WWII world order.”
• “Xi’s presence and the unprecedented participation of Chinese soldiers in the parade delivered a clear message: China and Russia are seeing eye to eye on upholding the post-war international order and safeguarding world peace.”
• The Red Square parade “is meant to showcase Russia’s great power and unyielding will in front of Western pressure and its determination against attempts at rewriting history and challenging the postwar order.”
• “The parade is not only a military show but a diplomatic event.”

The joint statement signed by Putin and Xi after their talks in the Kremlin on Friday reflects similar views on the major international issues such as Syria, Ukraine, Afghanistan, Iran, North Korea. The portion relating to Ukraine says the two powers urge relevant parties to formulate a comprehensive, balanced and sustainable political solution that takes into full consideration thereasonable interests of all parties concerned.” Beijing has shown a high degree of understanding for Moscow’s core concerns in the Ukraine crisis. [Emphasis added.]

In substantive terms, a second joint statement – again, signed by Putin and Xi) – on the co-relation between the Russia-led Eurasian Economic Union [EAEU] and the China-led Silk Road Economic Belt initiatives stands out as a historic document that elevates the Sino-Russian partnership to unprecedented heights both at a practical level and in political terms.

China has formally stated in the joint statement for the first time its support for the integration processes Russia hopes to develop within the EAEU framework. Two, Moscow and Beijing have agreed to set up a dialogue mechanism for the integration (“docking”) of China’s Belt and Road initiative and Russia’s EAEU project. Three, China will begin talks with the EAEU in an economic and trade cooperation deal.

Indeed, the joint statement contains a big political statement to the effect that the two powers will cooperate in the stable development and regional economic integration of the Eurasian region as a whole and in an endeavor to “safeguard peace and stability on the Eurasian landmass.” (Xinhua)

In sum, the two big powers are committed to coordinating their policies with regard to the vast space encompassing the territories of the former Soviet Union stretching from Central Europe eastward to the Asia-Pacific. This scale of strategic partnership and coordination has no precedent in the history of Sino-Russian relations.

Specifically, eight measures have been identified in the economic sphere to boost regional cooperation, which includes, amongst others, an agreement to “study long-term objective of establishing a free trade zone between China and the EAEU”.

All-in-all, China’s fulsome endorsement of the EAEU and its participation in the Russia-led project (which is closely identified with Putin’s leadership) constitutes a rebuff to the United States which had opposed the project tooth and nail and dubbed it as “a move to re-Sovietize the region.”

Clearly, Tte cold blast of western propaganda against the EAEU failed to impress China. Theprophets of doom have fallen on their face. China’s integration with the EAEU means in effect that a real engine of growth is being hooked to the Russian project. In reality, China is the key to the future of the EAEU. Significantly, Xi has combined his visit to Moscow with a tour of Belarus and Kazakhstan, the two other founder members of the EAEU.

From the Chinese viewpoint, Moscow is now completely on board as regards its Belt and Road Initiative. This is vital for the implementation of the Silk Routes via Russia and Central Asia. Xi can draw satisfaction that it is Mission Accomplished. To be sure, his “business agenda” this week has been to push forward the realization of the Belt and Road Initiative enhancing interconnectivity with Eastern, Central and Western Europe.

China’s embrace of the EAEU increases the possibility of its cooperation with the European Union [EU] – given enough political will, of course, in Brussels. In the ongoing battle for influence and power in Eurasia, Moscow’s hands have been strengthened with China’s support for the EAEU.

On the other hand, China’s presence will also nudge he EAEU to take a pragmatic approach to economic issues. The bottom line is that the EU can no longer simply dismiss this Russia-led integration project. Exploratory efforts may have to begin at some point to identify where the interests of the two unions overlap and Brussels needs to ponder over potential forms of cooperation.

Without doubt, Washington will pull all stops to try to stop such a process of constructive engagement between Brussels and Moscow from advancing. Conceivably, therefore, this process with immense strategic overtones will likely be a long, slow process.

Hi Kulu, welcome back. I tell you one secret. Most Chinese are quite wary against Russia but PDF PRC will deny because they love their country and are willing to keep this conspiracy of silence.

China has lost most land to Russia and a lot of Chinese keep thinking about taking Outer Manchuria, Outer Mongolia and Outer Xinjiang back.

In the same way, Russia knew that and they are very suspicious of Chinese. Every now and then, Russian rant Chinese invading Siberia.

In USA, Chinese are allowed to migrate and accumulate wealth but not political power.

In comparison, there are fewer Chinese in Russia than in USA and no Chinese has made it in Russia to the level of ABC..

 

[BoQ77]

China find Russia a nonstop oil supply.
The only source for weapon.

 

[kalu_miah]

Hi Kulu, welcome back. I tell you one secret. Most Chinese are quite wary against Russia but PDF PRC will deny because they love their country and are willing to keep this conspiracy of silence.

China has lost most land to Russia and a lot of Chinese keep thinking about taking Outer Manchuria, Outer Mongolia and Outer Xinjiang back.

In the same way, Russia knew that and they are very suspicious of Chinese. Every now and then, Russian rant Chinese invading Siberia.

In USA, Chinese are allowed to migrate and accumulate wealth but not political power.

In comparison, there are fewer Chinese in Russia than in USA and no Chinese has made it in Russia to the level of ABC..

Thanks for the welcome.

While what you say is true, the present and future is more important than the past. All countries, specially neighbors have complicated relations. As of this moment and going towards future for quite a few decades, both Russia and China are useful for each other. So I believe it is a win win relationship for both, as it says in the article, written by an Indian diplomat (I wonder what Indians are thinking about this development). Russia is using China to balance against a threatening West and China accepted that role with open arms, as China is doing the same, trying to break the containment or balancing act (whatever you may call it) created by US Pivot to Asia and TPP, using Russia and Eurasian Economic Union and the Belt and Road initiative as a counter balance against the West's moves.

The main thing that I like about this scenario is that it is taking China in a route where it is leading economic integration of the Eurasian landmass, together with Africa (as you may recall regional integration and regionalism is one of my main passions). This means that eventually Russia, China and EU will get closer due to land based road and rail connectivity, and the US, sitting on the other side of Atlantic or Pacific ocean, will slowly loose influence over these landmass. The by product or result of economic integration in Eurasia-Africa will be more peace and prosperity for the billions of inhabitants in these areas, who have been a victim of Wests divide and rule exploitation and harmful interventions for last 2-3 centuries. Not everyone in the West will be looser, the Germans I am sure will consider moving EU away from US leadership a sweet revenge for WW II.

The US blew it when they decided to engage China in Nixon era, but that is because there is no super intelligent centralized group of strategists driving Western geopolitics, it is done by mostly some random clueless experts led by equally clueless politicians. So the West have dug its own grave in a way, but then what I like to say is absolute power corrupts absolutely and it is better for the world to be more multi-polar and "democratic". We should now be celebrating the demise of West's hegemony, not lamenting it.

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

Hi Kulu, welcome back. I tell you one secret. Most Chinese are quite wary against Russia but PDF PRC will deny because they love their country and are willing to keep this conspiracy of silence.

China has lost most land to Russia and a lot of Chinese keep thinking about taking Outer Manchuria, Outer Mongolia and Outer Xinjiang back.

In the same way, Russia knew that and they are very suspicious of Chinese. Every now and then, Russian rant Chinese invading Siberia.

In USA, Chinese are allowed to migrate and accumulate wealth but not political power.

In comparison, there are fewer Chinese in Russia than in USA and no Chinese has made it in Russia to the level of ABC..

LMAO that is a secret? seem like you're more obsessed over China-Russia's history issue than you want to make other believe otherwise. For the current geopolitical situation -> 两利相权取其重，两害相衡取其轻

 

[war is peace]

Super Power China need Russia to save her arse.Russia never looked for anyone when USSR stand against USA. Why does China need Russia now ?

Another empty brain I'm sure Einstein will be proud of you. Go hug a transformer or better sleep on expressway to find out why. Shit

 

[BoQ77]

Russia: China is Russia's key strategic and economic partner - Putin

China is Russia's top strategic partner, Russian President Vladimir Putin said in Moscow, Friday. Speaking at a joint press conference with Chinese President Xi Jinping, following the signing of some 40 documents on enhancing the strategic partnership between the two countries, Putin highlighted the economic partnership between Russia and China announcing the figures of mutual trade in 2014, which amounted $88.4 billion (€78.5 billion). Putin added that the economic partnership between the countries will be expanded in both the energy and the investment sector. The Russian leader concluded his statement saying that the ultimate objective is to create a common economic space within the Eurasian continent.

I doubt he is talking about China money.

 

[William Hung]

Some are fair weather friends @Yorozuya right?

It's an alliance of convenience. If we describe it in terms of friendship, then yes, China and Russia are fair weather friends.

I still believe that Viet Nam is the only true and best friend of China. Even though both countries often have brotherly fights, we are always, as Chairman Mao once said, close like teeth and lips.

 

[Raphael]

It's an alliance of convenience. If we describe it in terms of friendship, then yes, China and Russia are fair weather friends.

I still believe that Viet Nam is the only true and best friend of China. Even though both countries often have brotherly fights, we are always, as Chairman Mao once said, close like teeth and lips.

Mao said that about N. Korea. And he would probably recant his statement today if he saw the strained state of Sino-N. Korean relations.