The Great Chinese Exodus

[DarkElf]

$1.6 million is not much if they wish to emigrate to US/Canada.

Or is it?

Good enough for the investor residence permit, only need $500k-$1million. Buy one home/apartment, invest in some business or open small business, and you are good.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

It really isn't. The author's reference to the $1.6 million is used as a minimum. This number is , thus, an example of a lower outlier. The maximum could refer to in the hundreds of millions or even billions of dollars.

Are you bereft of basic reading skills?



Please indicate when, in my post, I cited absolute value. Thanks.



The body of lit didn't go into the development of billionaires , however, since billionaires have a net asset of greater than $1.6 million, we can assume through fait accompli that these population(s) were included in the 64% value that the author had cited. lol.



It really isn't. The author's reference to the $1.6 million is used as a minimum. This number is , thus, an example of a lower outlier. The maximum could refer to in the hundreds of millions or even billions of dollars.

Post 19, where you cited the absolute number of Koreans migrants as opposed to their population as a fraction of originating nation population. Also where you have failed to normalize the number of Filipino migrants as a fraction of originating nation population.

Billionaires are a valid proxy for total number of high net worth individuals as wealth mobility increases with increasing wealth.

 

[Aepsilons]

Post 19, where you cited the absolute number of Koreans migrants as opposed to their population as a fraction of originating nation population. Also where you have failed to normalize the number of Filipino migrants as a fraction of originating nation population.

That was in answering @Okemos and providing him/ her with a quantitative data -- specifically highlighting that Korean population in the united states is rather insignificant (quantitatively) as compared to the population of Chinese, Indians, Filipinos.

In no ways was I trying to conduct a general linear model of comparing Korean-American population to the population in Korea.

I'm afraid your reading comprehension, unfortunately, led you surmise that I was making an argument that I never made. Again, i would deign to counsel you on your reading comprehension , which is rather bereft.

Now, if you focus on the main body of lit, you will notice I never referred to absolute value number, but made quasi observational analyses to the author's points and premise.

Billionaires are a valid proxy for total number of high net worth individuals as wealth mobility increases with increasing wealth.

Billionaires are but an example of an ordinal scalar measurement. These would be included in the "rich". Anyone with net asset equal to or greater than $1.6 million are included. So from mini-millionaires to mega-billionaires -- they would be part of this randomized population sample. I'm assuming the author conducted this as this is but simple and basic research methodology.

 

[Echo_419]

A recent report showed that 64% of China's rich are either migrating overseas or have plans to leave the country. Political scientist James To, who has written a book on the subject, tells the WSJ's Deborah Kan how the Chinese government is using propaganda campaigns abroad to ensure loyalty from overseas Chinese.

Even when the emperors did their utmost to keep them at home, the Chinese ventured overseas in search of knowledge, fortune and adventure. Manchu Qing rulers thought those who left must be criminals or conspirators and once forced the entire coastal population of southern China to move at least 10 miles inland.

But even that didn't put an end to wanderlust. Sailing junks ferried merchants to Manila on monsoon winds to trade silk and porcelain for silver. And in the 19th century, steamships carried armies of "coolies" (as they were then called) to the mines and plantations of the European empires.

Today, China's borders are wide open. Almost anybody who wants a passport can get one. And Chinese nationals are leaving in vast waves: Last year, more than 100 million outbound travelers crossed the frontiers.

Most are tourists who come home. But rapidly growing numbers are college students and the wealthy, and many of them stay away for good. A survey by the Shanghai research firm Hurun Report shows that 64% of China's rich—defined as those with assets of more than $1.6 million—are either emigrating or planning to.

To be sure, the departure of China's brightest and best for study and work isn't a fresh phenomenon. China's communist revolution was led, after all, by intellectuals schooled in Europe. What's new is that they are planning to leave the country in its ascendancy. More and more talented Chinese are looking at the upward trajectory of this emerging superpower and deciding, nevertheless, that they're better off elsewhere.

The decision to go is often a mix of push and pull. The elite are discovering that they can buy a comfortable lifestyle at surprisingly affordable prices in places such as California and the Australian Gold Coast, while no amount of money can purchase an escape in China from the immense problems afflicting its urban society: pollution, food safety, a broken education system. The new political era of President Xi Jinping, meanwhile, has created as much anxiety as hope.

Another aspect of this massive population outflow hasn't yet drawn much attention. Whatever their motives and wherever they go, those who depart will be shadowed by the organs of the Leninist state they've left behind. A sprawling bureaucracy—the Overseas Chinese Affairs Office of the State Council—exists to ensure that distance from the motherland doesn't dull their patriotism. Its goal is to safeguard loyalty to the Communist Party.

This often sets up an awkward dynamic between Chinese arrivals and the societies that take them in. While the newcomers try to fit in, Beijing makes every effort to use them in its campaign to project its political values, enhance its global image, harass its opponents and promote the use of standard Mandarin Chinese over the dialects spoken in Taiwan and Hong Kong.

Politics, though, isn't the most important issue on the mind of Ms. Sun, a 34-year-old Beijing resident who's bailing out. (She requested anonymity because she doesn't want publicity to spoil her plans.) The main reason she's planning to pack up: Her 6-year-old daughter is asthmatic, and Beijing's chronic pollution irritates the girl's lungs. "Breathing freely is a basic requirement," she says. The girl also has a talent for music, art and storytelling that Ms. Sun fears China's test-driven schools won't nurture.

Recently, Ms. Sun flew to San Francisco to shop for a school for her daughter, browse for property and handle the paperwork for permanent U.S. residency. She insists that she's not leaving China forever—a sentiment expressed by many on their way out who see a foreign passport as an insurance policy in case things go badly wrong in China.

"I'm just giving my family another option," she says.

A college professor, who insisted on anonymity altogether ("Just call me an intellectual," he says), takes a darker view of China's prospects as he prepares to emigrate to the U.S., joining his two children, who both have postgraduate degrees from U.S. colleges.

Like many Chinese academics, the professor has a business or two on the side, although he hardly looks the part of an executive, unshaven and with crumpled pants riding 6 inches above his open sandals. In China, he pronounces, "Once you get rich, they arrest you."

That is an exaggeration, of course, but there is a propensity for entrepreneurs who appear on lists of the richest Chinese to end up in jail.

His real concern is that to get ahead, he's had to make compromises with his principles (he doesn't say bribes, but that is what he means). "I've been forced to prostitute myself," he says, and now he worries that it could all be snatched away. In China, a weak, corrupt legal system may sometimes work in favor of entrepreneurs while they're clawing their way up, cutting corners along the way, but it is almost always a liability once they've made it.

First-generation businessmen—the ones who powered China's economic rise—now dream of a secure retirement. That means legal safety in places like the U.S. and Canada.

The professor is also a fan of U.S. technology. One of his companies sells environmental equipment, and he's hoping that by living in America, he'll find ways to enhance his products and develop new ones—which he hopes to continue to sell in China, the biggest market. He holds up his Apple iPhone. "How many shirts do you think we Chinese have to export to buy one of these phones?" he asks.

China, he concludes, is still "a very backward country."

The flight of the rich recalls similar outflows from Hong Kong before the 1997 handover of the then-British colony to China and from Taiwan in an earlier period when its own future seemed imperiled. In those cases, businesspeople parked their families in places like Vancouver and Seattle and shuttled back and forth to Asia for business.

That is often the strategy in today's China, which has entered an uncertain transition. The economy is off the boil; property prices are sliding. Mr. Xi has amassed more power than any Chinese leader since Deng Xiaoping and is using it to crack down on corrupt officials while going after human rights lawyers, bloggers and civil society activists. That is ridding China of the kind of individual its government doesn't want but is also scaring away the creative types it needs.

Last year, the U.S. issued 6,895 visas to Chinese nationals under the EB-5 program, which allows foreigners to live in America if they invest a minimum of $500,000. South Koreans, the next largest group, got only 364 such visas. Canada this year closed down a similar program that had been swamped by Chinese demand.

Some of the wealth sluicing out of China is undoubtedly ill-gotten gains. The Chinese central bank estimates that corrupt officials may have siphoned off as much as $123 billion since the mid-1990s.

In his book "Restless Empire: China and the World Since 1750," the historian Odd Arne Westad writes that overseas Chinese "were, and are, the glue that holds China's relations with the world together, in good times and bad."

That explains why Beijing takes an intense pastoral interest in the Chinese diaspora. It has some 48 million members—about double the number of Indians living outside their country—and wherever they alight, they tend to rise to the top, be it Silicon Valley or the high-tech corridors of Southeast Asia.

Beijing makes a crucial distinction between ethnic Chinese who have acquired foreign nationality and those who remain Chinese citizens. The latter category is officially called huaqiao—sojourners. Together, they are viewed as an immensely valuable asset: the students as ambassadors for China, the scientists, engineers, researchers and others as conduits for technology and industrial know-how from the West to propel China's economic modernization.

In 1989, when the Tiananmen Square massacre triggered an outflow of traumatized students and shattered the Party's image among overseas Chinese communities, the Overseas Chinese Affairs Office kicked into high gear with a propaganda campaign to repair the damage. It proved highly successful.

The effort continues. It is subtle—a hearts-and-minds campaign that works through overseas Chinese newspapers, websites (digital "New Chinatowns," in propaganda-speak), schools, youth groups and church organizations.

The results show up in "patriotic" street activities. In 2008, for instance, well-organized Chinese students guarded the Olympic torch as it went around the world ahead of the Beijing Games, attracting raucous protests from Tibetan independence activists and other hostile groups. The following year, Chinese students disrupted the Melbourne Film Festival when it screened a movie about the life of exiled Uighur leader Rebiya Kadeer, whom Beijing accuses of stirring up separatist agitation in its Xinjiang region. Similar protesters dog the footsteps around the world of the Dalai Lama, Tibet's exiled spiritual leader, whom Beijing also accuses of "splittist" activities.

Foreigners sometimes have a hard time understanding why Beijing expends so much effort countering threats, real or imagined, from Chinese opponents overseas, including the banned Falun Gong spiritual movement. But China's leaders are haunted by history. To an extraordinary degree, the destiny of modern China has been shaped by the Chinese who left. The overseas Chinese of Southeast Asia provided critical support for Sun Yat-sen's 1911 revolution, which toppled the Qing.

The dynamic works the other way too. When Deng needed money and expertise to unlock the entrepreneurial energies of China in the early 1980s, he first tapped the mega-rich Chinese tycoons in Hong Kong, Thailand and Malaysia, whose factories populated his Special Economic Zones.

But China's cross-border political activities are creating unease. Consider Australia—one of the most popular destinations for Chinese students, emigrants and tourists, and a country where Mandarin Chinese is now the second-most widely spoken language after English.

"Chinese Australians are being lectured, monitored, organized and policed in Australia on instruction from Beijing as never before," wrote John Fitzgerald of Swinburne University of Technology, one of the country's foremost China experts, in an article published by the Asan Forum, a South Korean think tank.

In the U.S., a vigorous debate has broken out in academic circles about the role on American campuses of Confucius Institutes, which are sponsored by the Chinese government and offer Mandarin-language classes, along with rosy cultural views of China. Critics say these institutes threaten academic independence; supporters say they offer valuable language training that would not otherwise be available. In June, the American Association of University Professors stepped into the controversy and recommended that universities "cease their involvement" with the institutes unless they can gain "unilateral control" over them.

China must be exceedingly careful not to leave too many fingerprints on its political activities offshore. For a start, it has an official policy of noninterference in the internal affairs of other countries. But it also puts established overseas Chinese communities at risk by raising the issue of their national loyalties. That is particularly true in Southeast Asia, where the Chinese of a previous era were often viewed with suspicion as a communist fifth column.

Still, the sheer volume of China's outbound travel these days, and its massive economic impact, gives it new leverage. In the global market for high-end real estate, Chinese buying has become a key driver of prices. According to the U.S. National Association of Realtors, Chinese buyers snapped up homes worth $22 billion in the year ending in March.

Australia called a parliamentary inquiry to find out whether local households were being priced out of the market by Chinese money. (The conclusion: not yet.)

Without fee-paying Chinese students, many colleges in the postrecession Western world simply wouldn't be able to pay the bills. Chinese students are by far the largest group of foreign students on U.S. campuses, and their numbers jumped 21% last year from the year before—to 235,597, according to the Institute of International Education. Their numbers are increasing at a similar pace in Australia. In England, there are now almost as many Chinese students as British ones studying full-time for postgraduate master's degrees.

Tourism is booming again thanks to China. The Chinese have overtaken Americans to become the world's biggest tourist spenders—and they're rapidly moving upmarket. Mei Zhang, the founder of Beijing's high-end travel operator WildChina, offers family holidays to destinations such as Kenya, Patagonia and Alaska at $10,000 per head. Chinese are now the third-largest group of nationals landing in Antarctica, where tourists zip around the ice floes in Zodiac inflatables to watch penguins.

The international hotel industry is increasingly tailoring its service to Chinese tastes. Among the required extras these days: teapots and toothbrushes. Russell Brice, the founder of the expedition firm Himalayan Experience, says that he packs duck and chicken feet—Chinese delicacies—along with the climbing gear for his Chinese clients. "A few little things like that make it special," he says.

And the outflow has only just begun. The Hong Kong-based brokerage firm CLSA forecasts that departures from China will double to 200 million by 2020.

In education, the next big wave coming from China is high schoolers. Rich parents are opting out of an education system that prepares children to take high-stakes tests for college entrance but neglects the creative side. Besides, once they've been through the mill, the students have a tendency to kick back when they get to college.

Xie Li, a manager at a Beijing telecommunications company, says that she tried to push her 16-year-old son to go to high school overseas, but he couldn't bear to leave home so early. He's a star pupil at the middle school attached to Beijing Normal University, which First Lady Michelle Obama visited recently.

Still, the boy is being groomed for college overseas and an international life. At 13, his parents packed him off to spend six weeks with an American family in Virginia. They've taken family breaks in exotic places like Tanzania. And now, to his mother's delight, he's set a goal for himself to study chemistry at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.

Ms. Xie recognizes that he might never come back but says, "His heart will always be with his family."

The Chinese government has no desire to slow the flow of students. Its attitude is simple: Why not have the Americans or Europeans train our brightest minds if they want to? President Xi's own daughter went to Harvard.

As always with China, the numbers awe. In his memoirs, Zbigniew Brzezinski, the former national security adviser, recalls a meeting between President Jimmy Carter and Deng. Human rights were on Mr. Carter's agenda, and he started needling the Chinese leader about Beijing's tight emigration policies. "Fine. We'll let them go," Deng snapped. "Are you prepared to accept 10 million?"

Not even Deng could have imagined the human torrent his "open door" reforms would eventually unleash. Try 100 million—and counting.

http://online.wsj.com/articles/the-great-chinese-exodus-1408120906

This is surely worrying specially if the Rich are Moving out

 

[Aepsilons]

This is surely worrying specially if the Rich are Moving out

From mini millionaires to the billionaires. 64% of them are moving out. Or expressing strong interest of moving out.

 

[Echo_419]

From mini millionaires to the billionaires. 64% of them are moving out. Or expressing strong interest of moving out.

Rich moving out is not much of worry,but their money moving out is the main problem

 

[Aepsilons]

Rich moving out is not much of worry,but their money moving out is the main problem

That is a very interesting point, @Echo_419 .

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

That was in answering @Okemos and providing him/ her with a quantitative data -- specifically highlighting that Korean population in the united states is rather insignificant (quantitatively) as compared to the population of Chinese, Indians, Filipinos.

No it is not. You don't even know what quantitative or significant means. The Korean population is more than half the population of Indians and Filipinos and is 45% of the Chinese population. They compose 10% of all US Asians. Almost all are recent immigrants. Also, many Chinese in the US are there from the 19th century, while most Koreans are recent immigrants.

Billionaires are an appropriate statistical proxy for the total number of rich emigrating, since millionaires are less mobile and their statistics are less public. In addition, no one knows how this study was done nor was there any proof that the sampling methods used were valid. Don't try to pull jargon on me.

 

[Echo_419]

That is a very interesting point, @Echo_419 .

Chinese have 1.4 billion People,they can get more people,but in Developing countries Like BRICS Capital is more needed than People,opposite is the situation in Developed world like Japan

 

[Aepsilons]

You don't even know what quantitative or significant means.

LoL, actually I'm probably more versed in it than you, my dear.

The Korean population is more than half the population of Indians and Filipinos and is 45% of the Chinese population. They compose 10% of all US Asians.

The Korean population is roughly about 1.7 million. It is nearly half of the Indian population in the U.S. Again, it seems that you're lost in the comprehension of the main points. lol.

Billionaires are an appropriate statistical proxy for the total number of rich emigrating, since millionaires are less mobile and their statistics are less public. In addition, no one knows how this study was done nor was there any proof that the sampling methods used were valid. Don't try to pull jargon on me.

Again, you have no understanding of definition of scalar measurements. Take some multivariate statistics before you talk to me. Since this is from the Wall street journal, i'm sure the author is referring to research statistics compiled from a randomized trial.

A platform that is read by business folks, and economists, analysts with doctoral degrees wouldn't permit an author to compile data out of one's , pardon my french, sot.

lol.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

LoL, actually I'm probably more versed in it than you, my dear.




The Korean population is roughly about 1.7 million. It is nearly half of the Indian population in the U.S. Again, it seems that you're lost in the comprehension of the main points. lol.




Again, you have no understanding of definition of scalar measurements. Take some multivariate statistics before you talk to me. Since the this is from the Wall street journal, i'm sure the author is referring to research statistics compiled from a randomized trial. lol.

No you are not. You have a degree in psychology. Mine is in physics. 10% of the total and 50% of a "significant population" is not negligible, which you have claimed it was. Any paper in PRL will be junked if they made a similar claim. A process engineer who says a 10% failure rate is OK will be fired.

I don't need to take multivariable statistics because this is single variable statistics. Also, I doubt it is harder than tensor analysis or statistical thermodynamics. I mean, you apparently learned it.

 

[Aepsilons]

No you are not. You have a degree in psychology. Mine is in physics. 10% of the total and 50% of a "significant population" is not negligible, which you have claimed it was. Any paper in PRL will be junked if they made a similar claim. A process engineer who says a 10% failure rate is OK will be fired.

I don't need to take multivariable statistics because this is single variable statistics. Also, I doubt it is harder than tensor analysis or statistical thermodynamics. I mean, you apparently learned it.

Clearly you've lost the point since now you've digressed into a measurement contest, lol.

We were, prior to your participation in this thread, discussing about the migration of Chinese millionaires, not about if you know statistical thermodynamics, lol.

Now, let's get back to the subject shall we?

 

[TaiShang]

No you are not. You have a degree in psychology. Mine is in physics. 10% of the total and 50% of a "significant population" is not negligible, which you have claimed it was. Any paper in PRL will be junked if they made a similar claim. A process engineer who says a 10% failure rate is OK will be fired.

I don't need to take multivariable statistics because this is single variable statistics. Also, I doubt it is harder than tensor analysis or statistical thermodynamics. I mean, you apparently learned it.

Thanks for scientifically debunking a poor attempt of China bashing, sir!

 

[tonyget]

Chinese have 1.4 billion People,they can get more people,but in Developing countries Like BRICS Capital is more needed than People,opposite is the situation in Developed world like Japan

Actually China is facing serious population aging issue (also brain drain issue). China wants old/poor/untalented people get out while rich/young/talented stay.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Now, let's get back to the subject shall we?

The problem is you are diverging from a valid comparison of populations and have claimed that the Korean population in the US is insignificant compared to the Chinese one. That was inaccurate, and the entirety of your premise that Chinese held a disproportionately large number of immigrants in other countries falls apart. You have, of course, also ignored the share of Filipino, Vietnamese and Indian migrants vs. their populations.