The Great Asian Showdown: India’s Kolkata Class v/s China’s Type-52D Destroyer

[kaku1]

yeah i have seen it ..............70 mn$ is no less its costly actually

 

[ni8mare]

what??

 

[kaku1]

what??

Faceplam...nothing bro.

 

[Penguin]

IMO 052D is American design more clean and Kolkata is Russian design more cluttered.

Both China and India have been working with RUssian design bureaus.

Oh ok, I didn't know that.



The Kolkata radar is $68 million.



Nice explanation, thank you. Can you talk a bit on how the system works to guide the SM3 and SM6 missiles?

SM3 Guidance system: GPS/INS/semi-active radar homing/passive LWIR infrared homing seeker (KW)
As far as I can tell, given the range of engagement, you need GPS/INS to get the missile to some qadrant where the target is expected, then in the latter stage of engagement paint it with radar so it can home in on that, then for pin point accurac at close range use autonomous infrared homing as well.

SM-6 Guidance system: Inertial guidance, active radar homing and semi active radar homing
Again, use ins to get the missile to a target quadrant, where it can use SARH to approach target and ARH to kill target in final stages.

But isn't SMART-L what Thales use in most of the european air defense frigates? I think you are confusing with Smart S maybe?

@Penguin can clarify?

Both Smart S and Smart L are 3D surveillance radars, without other functions such as target illumination for SARH missiles. Typically, they are combined e.g. with APAR or a radar target illuminator e.g. STIR 2.4 or STIR 1.8. The difference between Smart S and Smart L is range and number of targets it can track (hundreds or thousands)

 

[Carlosa]

Both China and India have been working with RUssian design bureaus.


SM3 Guidance system: GPS/INS/semi-active radar homing/passive LWIR infrared homing seeker (KW)
As far as I can tell, given the range of engagement, you need GPS/INS to get the missile to some qadrant where the target is expected, then in the latter stage of engagement paint it with radar so it can home in on that, then for pin point accurac at close range use autonomous infrared homing as well.

SM-6 Guidance system: Inertial guidance, active radar homing and semi active radar homing
Again, use ins to get the missile to a target quadrant, where it can use SARH to approach target and ARH to kill target in final stages.


Both Smart S and Smart L are 3D surveillance radars, without other functions such as target illumination for SARH missiles. Typically, they are combined e.g. with APAR or a radar target illuminator e.g. STIR 2.4 or STIR 1.8. The difference between Smart S and Smart L is range and number of targets it can track (hundreds or thousands)

Thank you for the info man.

 

[Penguin]

Thank you for the info man.

You're most welcome!

 

[Superboy]

Both China and India have been working with RUssian design bureaus.

Not China. Chinese designs lean west. J-10 is clearly European design philosophy with single engine and canards. QBZ-95 is clearly European design philosophy with bullpup. Type 052D is clearly American design philosophy with tall bridge, bridge mounted AESAs, RIM-162 like FL-3000N.

 

[IND151]

Both China and India have been working with RUssian design bureaus.


SM3 Guidance system: GPS/INS/semi-active radar homing/passive LWIR infrared homing seeker (KW)
As far as I can tell, given the range of engagement, you need GPS/INS to get the missile to some qadrant where the target is expected, then in the latter stage of engagement paint it with radar so it can home in on that, then for pin point accurac at close range use autonomous infrared homing as well.

SM-6 Guidance system: Inertial guidance, active radar homing and semi active radar homing
Again, use ins to get the missile to a target quadrant, where it can use SARH to approach target and ARH to kill target in final stages.


Both Smart S and Smart L are 3D surveillance radars, without other functions such as target illumination for SARH missiles. Typically, they are combined e.g. with APAR or a radar target illuminator e.g. STIR 2.4 or STIR 1.8. The difference between Smart S and Smart L is range and number of targets it can track (hundreds or thousands)

How did you reach this conclusion?

 

[Penguin]

How did you reach this conclusion?

It is pretty self evident in the case of India, isn't it.

For example. for China:

Russian warship designer Nevskoye Design Bureau completed an aircraft carrier design for China in the late 1990s to meet the Chinese requirement but neither Russia nor China disclosed the price. Neither did the two countries reveal any information on whether China was satisfied with the design or not. In any case, no aircraft carriers based on the design were built, as limited Chinese industrial capabilities in the late-1990s made it impractical for China to start any construction of aircraft carriers.
A complete set of blueprints of a foreign aircraft carrier design was obtained by China when it purchased the decommissioned Soviet aircraft carrier Kiev. Russia insisted on China buying the blueprints as well for a higher price, but neither country has revealed the exact dollar value.
The complete set of blueprints of a foreign aircraft carrier design obtained by China when it purchased the incomplete Soviet aircraft carrier Varyag is the most recent purchase. Ukraine urged China to increase the original $18 million bid to include additional purchase of the complete set of blueprints of the design, and after negotiations, China agreed to pay another $2 million to purchase the complete set of blueprints. According to the memoir of Chinese embassy staff members who participated in the process, the blueprints reached China before the ship.

Chinese aircraft carrier programme - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Chinese Grand Strategy and Maritime Power
Thomas M. Kane
On page 90 it is reported that: "the 1999/2000 edition of Janes Fighting Ships notes a report tha China has given the Russian NDB a contract to design a carrier based on the PLAN's requirements, but states there has been no evidence of progress on this project. "
Chinese Grand Strategy and Maritime Power - Thomas M. Kane - Google Boeken

Type 9935 Page 2
Section 2: General Description:
Project 9935 is probably based on a Russian Nevskoye Design Bureau design contracted for in 1994. An article published in China says that the final design was made by Hudong Shipyard, Shanghai in 1999. The ship is a modified Russian Admiral Ghorshkov carrier “to Chinese specifications.” The ship is scaled up only about 6%.

http://fas.org/nuke/guide/china/aircraft/project9935.pdf

Russia's oldest surface ship design organization, this St. Petersburg based design bureau is a lead developer of aircraft carriers and ocean-going large landing ships, as well as takeoff/landing units for deck-based aviation's training systems. In 1994-2001 Nevskoye Design Bureau executed serious design work to ensure signing of Russian-Indian intergovernmental agreement; as a result, Russia and India tied the contract in 2004 providing modernization of Russian aircraft carrier Admiral Gorshkov for Indian Navy.

In addition, considering 052B and 051D, it is very likely that for some aspects of those ships russian maritime design expert were consulted or involved.

 

[IND151]

It is pretty self evident in the case of India, isn't it.

For example. for China:


Chinese aircraft carrier programme - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Chinese Grand Strategy and Maritime Power
Thomas M. Kane
On page 90 it is reported that: "the 1999/2000 edition of Janes Fighting Ships notes a report tha China has given the Russian NDB a contract to design a carrier based on the PLAN's requirements, but states there has been no evidence of progress on this project. "
Chinese Grand Strategy and Maritime Power - Thomas M. Kane - Google Boeken


http://fas.org/nuke/guide/china/aircraft/project9935.pdf

Russia's oldest surface ship design organization, this St. Petersburg based design bureau is a lead developer of aircraft carriers and ocean-going large landing ships, as well as takeoff/landing units for deck-based aviation's training systems. In 1994-2001 Nevskoye Design Bureau executed serious design work to ensure signing of Russian-Indian intergovernmental agreement; as a result, Russia and India tied the contract in 2004 providing modernization of Russian aircraft carrier Admiral Gorshkov for Indian Navy.

In addition, considering 052B and 051D, it is very likely that for some aspects of those ships russian maritime design expert were consulted or involved.

Thanks for Info @Penguin