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The great American betrayal

It is well known that of all military operations, retreat is the most difficult and complicated. A victorious march that takes a wrong turn can end in a stalemate, but a retreat gone wrong will most likely turn into a disaster. These are the grim forebodings that come to mind when we think of the forthcoming withdrawal of the American-led military forces from Afghanistan.

WHISTLING IN THE DARK

The Obama Administration is putting it out as though the withdrawal is a great achievement, since it will pull it out of the quagmire that it has been stuck in ever since George Bush declared a “global war on terror.” But the reality is shoddier — we are witnessing yet another western retreat from Afghanistan, one that can have baleful consequences for others. No matter what the Americans say or do officially, they are, essentially, whistling in the dark.

The departure of the Americans and their allies — even though reports suggest that a small force will remain — is a fraught moment for the Afghans, the United States and neighbouring countries. Last month, representatives of India, Russia and China met in Moscow. According to an official in the know, the discussion was businesslike and devoid of the double-speak that often marks the occasion. The subject was Afghanistan. Faced with the withdrawal of the American-led alliance from the country, the three regional powers are scrambling to see how they can stabilise the situation. Each of them has interests there, and none of these really clash.

But all three have an interest in ensuring that Afghanistan is stable and secure, witnesses economic growth and reconstruction, and is integrated into the regional economy. India and China are interested in ensuring that a war-ravaged Afghanistan does not once again become a place where militants are able to establish training camps freely. Both have important investments — India’s $ 2 billion are spread in development projects to promote Afghan stability, while China’s $ 3 billion could aid in its prosperity. As for Russia, it is the primary security provider to the Central Asian states and has an interest in preventing the return of a situation of civil war.

It is important that the post-U.S. situation does not degenerate into an India-Pakistan battlefield. The responsibility here lies heavier with New Delhi, since Pakistan can be trusted to follow its baser instincts. Indeed, New Delhi’s strategy must be to prevent Islamabad from trying to turn the Afghan clock back to the pre-American days. In this, it can fruitfully use the dialogue processes it has established with Russia and China and, separately, the U.S. Interestingly, in the recent India-China-Russia talks, the Chinese pointedly avoided projecting Islamabad’s case and spoke for their own interests, just as the other interlocutors did.

But for things to work, there is need for both Washington and Islamabad to confront the hard realities. As for the U.S., writing in Foreign Policy, Vali Nasr wrote “America has not won this war on the battlefield, nor has the country ended it at the negotiating table. America is just washing its hands of this war.” According to Mr. Nasr, who worked in Richard Holbrooke’s AfPak team in the U.S. State Department, President Obama’s attitude to the American commitment in Afghanistan has been dictated by domestic politics — when it was popular back home he backed it, and when it became unpopular, he pushed for terminating the U.S. commitment. The American withdrawal, Mr. Nasr argues, is without any concern for the fate of Afghanistan itself, or for the possible chaos that may follow in the region.

As for Pakistan, the belief among some key players, notably in the Army, that there can once again be “Fateh” (Victory) in Kabul is delusional. Nothing in the ground situation suggests that the writ of the Taliban will run across Afghanistan again, at least not the Taliban that Pakistan so effectively aided and controlled in the 1990s. Indeed, the most unstable part of the country will be the eastern region bordering Pakistan, whose own border with Afghanistan is the site of an insurgency led by the Tehreek-e-Taliban, Pakistan (TTP). If anything, the TTP could be the principal beneficiary of the withdrawal, since it will find it easier to get sanctuary and arms from the Taliban.

As of now, in the international process, we have the western countries trying to work out a negotiated settlement that will bring elements of the Taliban into the governance of the country, based on the constitution of the Loya Jirga of 2003. This Doha process has been a slow-moving affair with the Taliban delegation in the Qatari capital twiddling its thumbs most of the time. One problem is no one is really clear as to whether they are dealing with the genuine representatives of Mullah Omar. The bigger problem is that both Islamabad and the Taliban are merely hedging in their responses to the West and they are waiting to see how precipitous the American retreat is, and what happens in the run-up to the Afghan elections of 2014.

Even today, the Taliban’s supreme leader, Mullah Omar, and several of its top leaders live in Pakistan. Though Islamabad says it is supporting the Doha process, there are doubts as to whether or not Pakistan can actually “deliver” the Taliban to the U.S. and its allies. But there can be few doubts about Islamabad’s ability to play the spoiler. This is what countries like the U.S., India, Russia and China need to prevent through coordinated diplomacy. And talking of elections, we have to see just how the election in Pakistan expected in a few months will play out.

Since 2002, a set of new facts has been created on the ground. Foremost among these have been the presence of an elected Afghan government and, now, a substantial Afghan National Security Force. This will continue to get the support of the international community and the ANSF will also have the ability to control the key parts of the country, as long as it gets external support. On the other hand, the Taliban has suffered considerable attrition and the relations between Pakistan and the Taliban have been conditioned by the emergence of the Tehreek-e-Taliban, Pakistan (TTP) as well as the unhappy experience of the Taliban at the hands of the ISI.

There is one important, and indeed overriding, consideration in the manner in which we deal with Afghanistan. Both the U.S. and India need to recognise that they have far greater security interests in Pakistan than in benighted Afghanistan. The “victor” of Kabul will inherit a war-torn and ravaged country without the basics of schools, hospitals and transportation systems. But should the Afghan situation catalyse the rise of Islamists in Pakistan, India will be in for trouble. It does not need to be repeated that Pakistan is a country with some industrial capacity, nuclear weapons and a powerful military. Its capacity for mischief would go up by orders of magnitude, were the Islamists gathered by Hafiz Muhammad Saeed in the Difa-e-Pakistan Council to become even more central to the country’s politics.

AFPAK TO PAKAF

For this reason, it is important to reverse the appellation AfPak to PakAf, at least mentally. We need to ensure that a “solution” in Afghanistan has a collateral beneficial effect in Pakistan. Or, at least, it should not affect Pakistan negatively. This is not, of course, a call for pandering to Islamabad’s Afghan fantasies.

The presence of U.S.-led forces has played a stabilising role in Afghanistan. But now they are going and leaving fear in their wake. The Afghans are petrified at the prospect of a renewed civil war and the return of the Taliban, the Pakistanis, or at least the sensible ones, are scared of the threat from the TTP. India, Russia and China are worried about the possible spill-over effects of a civil war in the country. As for the U.S., its fear is that its retreat could, through some missteps, become a rout.

(The writer is a Distinguished Fellow at the Observer Research Foundation, New Delhi)

The great American betrayal - The Hindu
 
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We need to ensure that a “solution” in Afghanistan has a collateral beneficial effect in Pakistan. Or, at least, it should not affect Pakistan negatively. This is not, of course, a call for pandering to Islamabad’s Afghan fantasies.

Such an interesting question and awareness in the Indian press is refreshing. How can India play a constructive role and ensure that Pakistan is not effected negatively, this question should concern greater numbers of Indians and the Indian press/media have arole to play in creating this awareness.
 
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Such an interesting question and awareness in the Indian press is refreshing. How can India play a constructive role and ensure that Pakistan is not effected negatively, this question should concern greater numbers of Indians and the Indian press/media have arole to play in creating this awareness.

Sir, pure ECONOMICS is the deal which is beneficial for our countries.

There is no doubt that India is a rising economic power.

If Pakistan allows transit trade to Afghanistan, it will bring peace & prosperity to the troubled state of Afghanistan + will be economically beneficial to Pakistan.

+ It can act as the biggest CBM ever b/w India & Pakistan.

What our countries lag is -----> TRUST.
 
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Sir, pure ECONOMICS is the deal which is beneficial for our countries. There is no doubt that India is a rising economic power. If Pakistan allows transit trade to Afghanistan, it will bring peace & prosperity to the troubled state of Afghanistan + will be economically beneficial to Pakistan. + It can act as the biggest CBM ever b/w India & Pakistan.
What our countries lag is -----> TRUST.

Yes, interesting conception of Economics as a one way street - let me pose it to you this way - Why does Pakistan need India for the economics, that it can do itself? Why does Pakistan need to share Afghan market with India ??

Friends in India are persuaded that the rising tide will raise only the Indians boat while all others will sink - a little less US and a whole lot more sense, please.

The question was now that there is realization that Good for Pakistan means good for India, What can India do to further this ??
 
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Yes, interesting conception of Economics as a one way street - let me pose it to you this way - Why does Pakistan need India for the economics, that it can do itself? Why does Pakistan need to share Afghan market with India ??

Friends in India are persuaded that the rising tide will raise only the Indians boat while all others will sink - a little less US and a whole lot more sense, please.

The question was now that there is realization that Good for Pakistan means good for India, What can India do to further this ??

Sir, isn't Pakistan currently serving as a transit to the imported goods by Afghanistan from other countries since it is land-locked country?? So why not a land transit to India??

Fair enough, if you think that Pakistan's own trade will get affected than Pakistan should let only those goods pass which it doesn't supply to Afghanistan.

But as i said, we lack TRUST.

Stable Afghanistan will solve many of the regions evils (read Terrorism).
 
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The premise of the article is flawed....we did not go to AF for the benefit of India or China.
 
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Sir, isn't Pakistan currently serving as a transit to the imported goods by Afghanistan from other countries since it is land-locked country?? So why not a land transit to India??

Fair enough, if you think that Pakistan's own trade will get affected than Pakistan should let only those goods pass which it doesn't supply to Afghanistan.

But as i said, we lack TRUST.

Stable Afghanistan will solve many of the regions evils (read Terrorism).

The question remains "what can India do to ensure
 
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Such articles - and I see plenty more in the near future suggesting a retreat or a defeat of the US will not bode well for Pakistan. The Americans will lay the blame of their partial failure squarely on the Pakistani's and they wont be too far away from the truth by doing that.
 
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A stupid article with a lot of Indian wet dreams.

I honestly laugh at the educated Indian mindset. Those who can think think no further than Pakistan while huffing and puffing as new power on the block.

Pakistan is expected to 'deliver' the Taliban to the negotiating table while Taliban have bad 'experience' with ISI and Pakistan and the relations between Taliban and Pakistan have been conditioned by emergence of TTP.

By the above paragraph, the article is a contradiction in itself. But Pakistan is supposed to do the menial job that is assigned to it and expected to do good to a great power like India. Pakistan, will and should safeguard its interest in Afghanistan. If it hurts India, so be it.
 
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Several Interesting responses, One Indian poster has suggested that there is an awareness that Pakistan must not suffer negative impact from the US withdrawal, another says it's a wet dream and yet another says Pakistan will be blamed - while a Pakistani poster resents the tone of the piece.

The narrative of "American Betrayal" is interesting, to me, primarily because it is as resilient as it is and as widespread as it is -consider, it plays in Pakistan, and now Afghanistan and by extension, India - whereas the US take pains to point out that the have no permanent friends and therefore no permanent enemies -- so what is this narrative about? domestic failures and failures of international policy which can be blamed o the US - don't get me wrong, I'm not suggesting that US policy has been a success, quite the contrary - but is this a one way street? not at all, the "Muslim bad guy" narrative in the US will long survive us.

But back to article and a question few of our Indian posters are taking seriously, if as Mr. Joshi suggests, that good for Pakistan means good for India, how then are India going to "ensure"that negative impacts of the US withdrawal do not effect Pakistan? What measures or policy changes will have to be effected?
 
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The presence of U.S.-led forces has played a stabilising role in Afghanistan. But now they are going and leaving fear in their wake. The Afghans are petrified at the prospect of a renewed civil war and the return of the Taliban, the Pakistanis, or at least the sensible ones, are scared of the threat from the TTP. India, Russia and China are worried about the possible spill-over effects of a civil war in the country. As for the U.S., its fear is that its retreat could, through some missteps, become a rout.

(The writer is a Distinguished Fellow at the Observer Research Foundation, New Delhi)

The great American betrayal - The Hindu

So after 10 years of nothing but bitching about the ISAF now they are leaving people want to ***** about that as well. Perhaps while (from a NZ perspective ) we were building hospitals, schools, drains, roads, bridges, flood protection and police stations the countries that are so worried now had done more than dump **** on people and complain they wouldnt be so worried now.

Afghanistan isnt just what the ISAF made it it is what Pakistan, India, Russia, Iran and China made it as well.
 
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Such an interesting question and awareness in the Indian press is refreshing. How can India play a constructive role and ensure that Pakistan is not effected negatively, this question should concern greater numbers of Indians and the Indian press/media have arole to play in creating this awareness.

Of course we are concerned....but again..concern and perception of the concern is mutual...I feel that 2014 once US troop goes out of Afganistan, it provides another golden opportunity to both India and Pakistan about how they work with each other in tandem so that no ones intrest is hampered....If allegation of Pakistan about Indian aiding terrorism in Pakistan is true, let it talk it in open in the diplomatic talk with the geunine proof...Let India assure Pakistan about India's involvement in Afganistan is not absolutely not complimentary to Pakistan...And in return Pakistan has to assure than Pakistan should not target India's trade and business intrest in Afghanistan....Let India do the trade and the businessmen and Pakistan can take over/control or whatever Pakistan want to do in Afghanistan leaving aside India to do the business....If this kind of arrangement works out win win for both...

1- Alleged Indian support to Pak terrorist should stop
2- Pakistan should stop targeting India's non military interest in Afghanistan. I don't mind if India and Pakistan sppy agency can fight it out each other leaving civilian and business people to do normal business in Afghanistan.
 
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Of course we are concerned....but again..concern and perception of the concern is mutual...I feel that 2014 once US troop goes out of Afganistan, it provides another golden opportunity to both India and Pakistan about how they work with each other in tandem so that no ones intrest is hampered....If allegation of Pakistan about Indian aiding terrorism in Pakistan is true, let it talk it in open in the diplomatic talk with the geunine proof...Let India assure Pakistan about India's involvement in Afganistan is not absolutely not complimentary to Pakistan...And in return Pakistan has to assure than Pakistan should not target India's trade and business intrest in Afghanistan....Let India do the trade and the businessmen and Pakistan can take over/control or whatever Pakistan want to do in Afghanistan leaving aside India to do the business....If this kind of arrangement works out win win for both...

1- Alleged Indian support to Pak terrorist should stop
2- Pakistan should stop targeting India's non military interest in Afghanistan. I don't mind if India and Pakistan sppy agency can fight it out each other leaving civilian and business people to do normal business in Afghanistan.


That's a bit "too cute" - Indian friends should consider seriously what it is that India can do to help itself - Pakistan India relations are multifaceted - NATO's anti-insurgency effort does not somehow mean Pakistani interests are "King" in Afghanistan, and it certainly does not mean TTP and certain elements in Balochistan will just go away, similarly problems along North Eastern boundaries of Pakistan and substance to MFN remain problematic, as do Sir Creek and Siachen.
 
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Sir, isn't Pakistan currently serving as a transit to the imported goods by Afghanistan from other countries since it is land-locked country?? So why not a land transit to India??

Fair enough, if you think that Pakistan's own trade will get affected than Pakistan should let only those goods pass which it doesn't supply to Afghanistan.

But as i said, we lack TRUST.

Stable Afghanistan will solve many of the regions evils (read Terrorism).

Regional economic integration in south Asia is an interesting and attractive proposition.

But for that to happen, there must be trust, and for trust, there must be security. Unfortunately, security is almost non-existent in this part of the world, even with two countries with nuclear capability.

This is a very complicated matter. And best to leave Afghanistan out of this for now.

Another threat from Afghanistan is drug trafficking, which I believe complements with militant/terrorist operations. Drugs are the scourge of society, and can potentially couple in creating terror outfits. Containing the drug trade can be a very expensive and delicate matter too! So there goes regional economic integration.

I'd say that those militant outfits most certainly do have powerful external backers, most likely private individuals and organizations. Otherwise, it'd be impossible for them to survive for so long against a mighty opponent.

So, who are their backers? Any idea anyone? Did intelligence agencies ever track them down? No, a better question: Do they actually do their jobs?

The premise of the article is flawed....we did not go to AF for the benefit of India or China.

True.

But wasn't the vision of a stable and prosperous Afghanistan there in the first place?

The results of America's operations over there would of-course have impacts on neighboring nations. That is the point the author pointed out, as well as possible strategies to implement given that things....don't go as expected....

The author appears pessimistic about the results of what is possibly America's longest war.

Afghanistan has quite recently been added to America's list of "major non-NATO allies" :-)angel:) I wonder what the long-term security implications are of that one.

I honestly don't care about India, Pakistan, Russia, China, Iran and their politics, but that of the security of Afghanistan. With security, stability and prosperity will automatically follow. And it's neighbors would have nothing to whine about. And no reason to troll at the US either.

So given the MNNA status, along with a small US force after withdrawal, can security be delivered? A burning question.
 
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