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The Nuclear Security Conference ended in Washington on April 13 with a final communique comprising 12 points to ensure security of nuclear material and prevention of nuclear proliferation. Australia and France tried to influence the Summit by their respective suspensions of contracted material that was to be provided to Pakistan. In the time leading to the Nuclear Security Summit, the Australian Defence Minister John Faulkner employed a rarely used anti-WMD law, last used 14 years ago, that prevented GBC, an Australian manufacturer of scientific equipment, to export two contracted spectrophotometers to a Pakistani company. France, true to its traditional double dealing, duplicity and equivocation, put on hold the provision of $1.6 bn contract for provision of JF-17 Thunder aircraft parts in the same time-frame.

The Khaleej Times, in its publication of 2nd April 2010, quoted Reuters and Le monde as having reported that France had decided to suspend the sale of electronics and missiles — the first section of a six billion Euro contract — under pressure from India. Whether the French move was to appease India to win multi-billion dollar fighter aircraft deal or to force Pakistan to cancel the intended purchase of German-made 214 submarines and buy French made Agosta or Scorpene submarines instead, is yet to come to fore. Moreover, there is a possibility of US pressurising France that any technology provided to support the JF-17 Thunder aircraft fighter might be pirated across to China, an axiom that may not hold good any longer as China has crossed requisite technological barriers much earlier to be categorised as a dependable supplier of weaponry to the world. The latest demonstrations of China’s newest aircraft, J-10, in front of defence attaches is a testament of its technological ascendancy in the region.

While most reports that appeared in the press, including that of Reuters, say that the suspension of sale of high tech equipment o Pakistan attributed to the latter’s inability to pay for the deal and pressure from India despite the fact that New Delhi has reportedly conveyed to the French authorities that it is no more interested in purchasing more submarines from France. However, the bait for purchase of high tech aircraft is still dangling. The French ambassador in India had made it clear to a meeting of French companies during a dinner at the recently concluded DEFEXPO-2010 that France faces tough competition in India and they need to work hard and stick together to win it big in India. It has worked already as the specially constituted Indian price committee has reportedly given a go ahead to sign a contract worth $2.2 billion for upgradation of 52 Mirage-2000 aircraft held in its inventory by France. The formal signing will take place during French President Sarkozy’s visit to New Delhi later in the year.

Despite defence relations between Pakistan and France spanning over forty years, the military relationship between two countries has seen lots of highs and lows, though lows have been observed more than often. The reliability of France as a dependable supplier of contracted material to Pakistan places it at number two after the United States that has also turned its back on defence contracts signed with Pakistan a bit too often. Cancellation of F-16 aircraft deal, holding on to millions of dollars paid by the government for purchase of the aircraft and then finally compensating Pakistan with wheat, is one of such episodes.

It was the 70s when the French backtracked from a commitment and cancelled a nuclear reprocessing plant that had been signed between the two countries. The move had incurred a heavy financial loss on the country as Pakistan had already spent Rs 5 billion plus on the civil works besides procurement of some related components in advance of the then would be reprocessing plant. We again saw another backtracking of France from another nuclear deal that was signed between the French government and Mohtarma Benazir’s government for the provision of 600 MW nuclear powerplant. Then it was 1999 when the French government crudely did not allow for 15 days the Pakistani submarine PNS Khalid, the one paid fully for, to sail out from its port of Toulon. That probably was the darkest hour of the relationship between the two countries. Had it not been the company that manufactured the submarine which refused to bear the incurring costs for holding the submarine, the stalemate might have continued for some time more. Then came the backtracking from Mistral missile deal for the Pakistan Air Force. Latest in the series of duplicity, especially with respect to Pakistan, has been the hold up of military hardware for Pakistan’s JF-17 Thunder aircraft. Though the country remains grateful for whatever hardware it provided and continues to provide but one feels that France should have come out more clearly on the subject rather than making statements that carried dual messages with respect to the latest back tracking on yet another deal.

Notwithstanding the global acknowledgement of Pakistan’s role in the war on terror, the rhetoric from across the eastern borders continues to belittle Pakistan. Thanks God, the world has come to realise somewhat the game behind such rhetoric. The West eyes to benefit from India’s decade-old huge allocations for buying military and nuclear hardware and in the process India manages to successfully exploit their desire to win contracts to blackmail them on Pakistan related issues. So a little bit pampering does not bring any harm to nobody. Barrack Obama’s reality check on Pakistan’s safe nuclear programme is enough to clear the murky perceptions whoever had tried to exploit it in the past.

The apparent surrendering to the Indian blackmail (interestingly visiting Indian blogs congratulating the government on successful blocking the sale of hardware to Pakistan can be found in abundance on the internet) on its offer of refurbishment of its aging Mirage-2000 worth billions of dollars saddens a large segment of Pakistani society that keeps a watch on various defence related business developments in the region. By traditional backtracking on supply of equipment and other hardware, France loses its stature as a neutral or political sovereign nation that has policies of its own.

France, a country that has always been held in the high esteem by Pakistani diaspora, needs to do more on its status as a dependable supplier of contracted hardware or else it risks the chances to be categorised as a time serving supplier and friend. France is too important a country for Pakistan wherein the latter always values its ties with it. These ties must prosper for the benefit of both the countries. Both the countries are scheduled to engage each other at the highest level in the second half of the year.

Prime Minister Gilani’s visit dates to France are being rescheduled and President Sarkozy is scheduled to visit Pakistan this autumn wherein cooperation in civil nuclear energy between the countries would be outlined. The French president’s visit may be tied up with his visit to India, which as per Indian Ministry of External Affairs spokesman, is scheduled for the last quarter of this year.
The French dis-connection
 
i think know pakistan must show them their back we supoosed to love frenches but from indian pressure they showed us their backs i have one sugeestion for them friend in need is friend indeed and u failed us and know we dont have any faith on you pakistan must show the back to french france must know that pakistan will get what it is looking for french is not the only ones who have the tech italians i think have build a trust with pakistan in major deals now pakistan should go for italian system
 
^this will lead to the 'italian connection' with grifo avionics and radars!
 
dude my question is phir indian will offer them more then we do and then they will backstab us. So what is the point here...?
 
i think know pakistan must show them their back we supoosed to love frenches but from indian pressure they showed us their backs i have one sugeestion for them friend in need is friend indeed and u failed us and know we dont have any faith on you pakistan must show the back to french france must know that pakistan will get what it is looking for french is not the only ones who have the tech italians i think have build a trust with pakistan in major deals now pakistan should go for italian system

but even they r running to get some contracts like 197 LUH with TATA for the army.........seven p-17a frigates........aesa sar for uavs...........gripen radar.........ef-2000 avionics.........c-27j for BSF.......22 attack helicopters..........6 s-1000 submarines with rubin..........12 mine countermeasures vessels for the navy.........future soldier systems..........deepak class fleet tankers............consultancy for IAC....................goliath cranes for modular shipbuilding at kochi,GRSE,goa shipyards..............maritime surveillance helicopters for the indian navy.....aw10
1 vvip helis..............ATR-72 for indian navy medium range surveillance plane.........74mm naval gun for indian navy with bhel


it is all abt money n norhin else guys.



Finmeccanica takes part in Defexpo 2010
Press Release - Finmeccanica

From 15 to 18 February, Finmeccanica takes part – through its companies AgustaWestland, Alenia Aeronautica, DRS Technologies, SELEX Communications, SELEX Galileo, Oto Melara and WASS – in DEFEXPO 2010, presenting products, platforms and technological solutions in the field of helicopters, aeronautic, communications and radar systems, naval and land armaments and underwater systems.

Finmeccanica’s presence in India goes back more than 40 years: over the years it has been developing solid industrial partnership in the defence and security sectors thanks to partnerships in several successful programmes. For Finmeccanica, India is a partner and country of strategic importance with a large and sustainable defence market growth rate and volume that offers significant opportunities in all business sectors.

Finmeccanica is present in India through its liaison office, which is responsible for monitoring the developing need of India in the defence and security sectors. Finmeccanica and the Group companies aim to strengthen their presence in India, and above all, create new and consolidate existing industrial partnerships with key local companies to respond to the country’s challenges and global ambitions – not only in these areas but also in other sectors in which the Group operates (e.g. space, transport and energy). Finmeccanica is currently working on a number of specific project with BHEL, BDL, BEL and HAL.

In the helicopter sector, AgustaWestland has been present in India since 1970. Today the Indian Navy operates a fleet of AgustaWestland Sea King helicopters and a growing number of AgustaWestland commercial helicopters are now performing corporate, VIP and offshore transport missions in India. The commercial helicopters market in India is expanding rapidly and a large military helicopter acquisition programme is underway. AgustaWestland has strong interests in the country both in terms of potential developments in the civil market and the tender under way to supply VVIP helicopters to the armed forces. In February 2009, AgustaWestland signed a Memorandum of Understanding with the Indian group Tata Sons to create a joint venture for the development of a final assembly line for the AW119 helicopter in India. AgustaWestland has a complete range of military helicopters that can meet the Indian Ministry of Defence’s helicopter requirements. These requirements include 197 reconnaissance and surveillance helicopters for the Air Force and Army, helicopters for the Coast Guard, multi-role naval helicopters for the Navy and light combat helicopters for the Air Force. In addition AgustaWestland is ideally placed to participate in the mid-life upgrade of the fleet of Sea King helicopters used by the Indian Navy.

The aeronautics sector also offers good prospects for Alenia Aeronautica that is currently keeping a close eye on the requirements expressed by the Indian Air Force and the Border Security Force for a tactical transport aircraft. The C-27J, made by Alenia Aeronautica, best seller of its category, is capable of performing many missions such as transport of troops, goods and medicines, MEDEVAC, airdrop operations, paratroopers’ launches, search and rescue (SAR), logistical re-supply, humanitarian assistance, fire fighting and missions in support of homeland security. A model of the C-27J will be on display at the Finmeccanica stand. Alenia Aeronautica has also a strong interest in the requirements expressed by the Indian Navy for a new medium-range aircraft for maritime patrol, for which the company proposes the ATR72 MP. Alenia Aeronautica has achieved a notable success with the regional aircraft made by ATR (equal joint venture between Alenia Aeronautica and EADS): around 100 of these aircraft are in service with the major national airlines of the region. Alenia Aeronautica participates, through the Eurofighter consortium, in the MMRCA (Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft) programme for the supply of 126 combat aircraft to the Indian Air Force in which the Eurofighter

Typhoon is competing, with EADS Germany leading the campaign.

SELEX Communications has a presence going back 20 years in India, where it supplies avionic, tactical and naval communications systems, either directly or in collaboration with leading local companies HAL and BEL. In the near future, SELEX Communications, could provide its expertise in protected military communication systems and next-generation systems. Finmeccanica is also involved in some of the major programmes under way in India relating to tactical communications and the telecommunications component of Battle Management systems. Besides SELEX Communications expertise in this area, DRS Technologies, the US company recently acquired by Finmeccanica and a leading supplier of integrated products and support services in defence electronics, offers the Indian market ultra-rugged solutions for data presentation and calculation that can operate extremely efficiently even in critical operational theatres.

SELEX Galileo is also present in India, where it supplies the 2080C Precision Approach Radar system to India’s Navy and Air Force. At DEFEXPO, the company will be promoting its new model, PAR 2090 CM/CF a ground controlled Precision Approach Radar. Last year, SELEX Galileo signed a Memorandum of Understanding with BEL to explore business opportunities in the electronic warfare arena for the Indian market. SELEX Galileo is currently pursuing opportunities connected with the need to modernise existing platforms with next-generation sensor systems. For airborne surveillance, SELEX Galileo offers highly-successful solutions such as the Seaspray AESA radar and the ATOS mission management system, leveraging on recent market successes. In last ten years, ATOS has been sold in more than 40 systems. Airborne self-protection and situation awareness systems already in use by customers throughout the world are proposed both for rotary and fixed wing platforms. Further, in the battlespace and land domain, SELEX Galileo can deliver full situation awareness capability, together with control systems (Fire Control Systems) for Armoured Vehicles programmes and for the dismounted soldiers. Following the award to SELEX Galileo of the service contract for the Mirach 100/5 target drone system with ITR (Integrated Test Range), the company is now poised to sell complete best selling target drone system. In India, the company is working with Defence Research & Development agencies to jointly develop new products both for the Indian Armed Forces and the wider export market.

India – which boasts a long tradition in the naval sector – also has ambitious projects for the Navy that could involve Finmeccanica Group companies. In the underwater systems business, WASS has operated in India since 1976 along with BDL (Bharat Dynamics Limited) and other local companies. Further opportunities for collaboration in this area could arise from the Indian government's naval programmes with regard to the potential upgrade of the already delivered light weight torpedoes in advanced model and the Black Shark heavy torpedo.


In the defence systems area, Oto Melara is already the market leader in India with the medium-calibre 76/62 Super Rapid naval gun, produced under licence by BHEL, and is promoting its 127/64 Light Weight Guns with the Vulcan long-range munitions. Local partnership opportunities exist for the manufacture of 12.7mm and 30mm land turrets, which can be retro fitted onto vehicles already in service.

CIO (an equal share company between Oto Melara and IVECO) is proposing the Indian Mechanised Forces light tanks and armoured vehicles including Centauro, a field proven platform deployed within the Italian Army in many out of area operations.

Elettronica, a Finmeccanica affiliate company and one of Europe's leading manufacturer of Electronic Defence equipment, is also attending Defexpo. In recent years, the company has teamed up in joint ventures with international industrial partners all over the world to develop new products and technologies for different and specific markets. Apart from a mature relationship of technical cooperation with Bangalore-based DARE, other recent collaboration initiatives have been launched with Alpha Design Technologies, creating a JVC called AEDS in Bangalore.

SELEX Sistemi Integrati, a Finmeccanica company, has been present in India in defence electronics since 1972. Since 2003, it has been collaborating with BEL (Bharat Electronics Limited) to supply the country with radar systems for air traffic control. The company is currently involved in promoting integrated combat systems for the Indian Navy’s new naval units, C3I and C4I systems based on network-centric architecture and naval radar systems for coastal and land applications. India’s increasing focus on homeland security opens up attractive prospects for the company, which can offer complete systems for the protection of national borders and the security of roads, ports, airports, railway stations and critical infrastructure. SELEX Sistemi Integrati manufactures large Homeland Security systems, combining the expertise and capabilities of the Group’s companies in a unique network-centric operating environment. In the field of Homeland Security, Elsag Datamat, a Finmeccanica Company, offers also licence plate reading systems, biometric sensors, mobile check points and other technology for police forces.

Other synergies could arise in the public transport sector (train and metro), in both platforms and signalling, security and telecommunications systems, as well as in new traffic management systems for the country’s major cities. Ansaldo STS is the leading supplier of processor based interlocking (PBI) to Indian Railways and has more than 90 percent of this market. From its offices in Bangalore, Noida and Kolkata, Ansaldo STS will continue to serve Indian Railways as it plans for safety enhancements, capacity utilisation and the introduction of new technologies in metro, open line and High Speed railways.



Finmeccanica is also present in India through its shared services company Finmeccanica Group Services (FGS), which has the objective of helping the Group to identify and follow up the opportunities offered by the Indian supply market. By analysing the market and selecting competitive and reliable local partners, FGS works to support the Group in commercial partnerships and in its sourcing activities.

Thanks to the several campaigns under way in India, the space sector represents a new area for joint activities. Finmeccanica companies could exploit concrete opportunities in the satellite services and payload business, given the ever-increasing demand from the Indian Armed Forces for services relating to military applications for new satellites and those already in orbit.

Additionally, the energy market, which is traditionally very solid, presents significant opportunities in the building of new power stations for both traditional and alternative sources of energy.
 
i think know pakistan must show them their back we supoosed to love frenches but from indian pressure they showed us their backs i have one sugeestion for them friend in need is friend indeed and u failed us and know we dont have any faith on you pakistan must show the back to french france must know that pakistan will get what it is looking for french is not the only ones who have the tech italians i think have build a trust with pakistan in major deals now pakistan should go for italian system

Friend could you please start using full stops "." in your posts, it gets really hard to comprehend what you are trying to say.


BTW i hate to agree but yes its all about the money and the French have always been known to be materialistic. Seems the revolution hasn't changed them much.
 
CHINA

Why We are not investing this money in R & D on AESA with China???
 
just let the indians decide their contract! & then see how many doors open up for us! till the time india doesn't finalize its natural for all of the suppliers to be reluctant! everyone wants the bigger $10 billion plus deal!!!

so until india finalizes MRCA deal a status quo will be maintained!
 
just let the indians decide their contract! & then see how many doors open up for us! till the time india doesn't finalize its natural for all of the suppliers to be reluctant! everyone wants the bigger $10 billion plus deal!!!

so until india finalizes MRCA deal a status quo will be maintained!

We all are talking about this that once the MRCA tender will be decided thn all doors will be open for us?

I dun see much of the doors getting opened up rather one of them.

Lets see who are the MRCA contenders

USA, SWEDEN,UK,RUSSIA and FRANCE

Starting with Russia we all know they will never supply us with anythng n suppose if some miracle happens thn i dun thnk we will b ready to accept that thng as India already have an insight of their newest technology

Now come down to Sweden which already have banned all future military sales to Pakistan

Then US ,and we all know what US is ready to give us ,the same old embrago prone f-16's

Now u are left with UK and France

About UK we have never bought any aviation stuff from them ever n neither they will allow us to get any if they would thn sadly we cant afford it due to huge price tags

And at last we are again left with French the dollar lovers

So this logic that decision of MRCA deal will open up doors for us is just over excitement or rather false forecast ,For such opportunities if we want to avail them we need huge military budget,which sadly we dont have thx to our leaders and our public
 
just let the indians decide their contract! & then see how many doors open up for us! till the time india doesn't finalize its natural for all of the suppliers to be reluctant! everyone wants the bigger $10 billion plus deal!!!

so until india finalizes MRCA deal a status quo will be maintained!

OK, wait and watch and the doors will open all around you and you will get all the technology you need. One problem : Is the issue with arms trade only because of MRCA !


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