The financial power of Italy

[ValerioAurelius]

It is one of the world's oldest recognized cultures. Famous mosques and other buildings, art and poetry.

If sheer ignorance was an Olympic sport, you'd win a gold every time.

Italy is older than Irans culture.

But that aside, what is left of Iranian culture? Iran had a famous wine. Where is it? The Mullah regime hates evrything on the persian empire. The Mullahs hate art, hate music and poetry.


As for the quality of art...Iran never achieved our level regarding that. Their statues ect were always pretty clumsy.

 

[jamal18]

Italy is older than Irans culture.

But that aside, what is left of Iranian culture? Iran had a famous wine. Where is it? The Mullah regime hates evrything on the persian empire. The Mullahs hate art, hate music and poetry.


As for the quality of art...Iran never achieved our level regarding that. Their statues ect were always pretty clumsy.

With respect, and at a serious level, not true. I believe Iranian empire goes back to the same time as ancient Egypt. That's before Rome, which only emerged as a major power after the Punic wars with Carthage.

 

[ValerioAurelius]

With respect, and at a serious level, not true. I believe Iranian empire goes back to the same time as ancient Egypt. That's before Rome, which only emerged as a major power after the Punic wars with Carthage.

Wrong again. The Iranian empire was founded in 6th century bc

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_Empire

Egypt was founded 3000 years before the persian empire.

The italian etruscan kingdoms were founded 1500 before christ. Thats 900 years older than Iranian kingdoms.

That said, even when you concentrate on the Roman Empire it was founded 753 before Christ. And with that is 153 years older than the persian Empire.

Its also worth to mention that Rome followed the greek point of view which saw Persia as rather savage and despot.

 

[jamal18]

Wrong again. The Iranian empire was founded in 6th century bc

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_Empire

Egypt was founded 3000 years before the persian empire.

The italian etruscan kingdoms were founded 1500 before christ. Thats 900 years older than Iranian kingdoms.

That said, even when you concentrate on the Roman Empire it was founded 753 before Christ. And with that is 153 years older than the persian Empire.

Its also worth to mention that Rome followed the greek point of view which saw Persia as rather savage and despot.

Again, playing with words. There are clear accounts of the Iranians in conflict with Ancient Egypt, the date you give was for the Achaemid dynasty, not the beginning of the Persian empire.

Rome may have been founded at the creation of the Earth, bit it was an insignificant town. It only emerged as a major power after the defeat of Carthage.

Etruscans ! You mentioned a major culture, not a handful of villages in a large goat field! That's really scraping the bottom of the barrel. Do you think that there weren't states that size all over the planet at the time?

Even by your figures, the Persian empire is older the the Roman empire, not a shoddy small town which Rome was pre-Hannibal.

 

[ValerioAurelius]

Again, playing with words. There are clear accounts of the Iranians in conflict with Ancient Egypt, the date you give was for the Achaemid dynasty, not the beginning of the Persian empire.

Rome may have been founded at the creation of the Earth, bit it was an insignificant town. It only emerged as a major power after the defeat of Carthage.

Etruscans ! You mentioned a major culture, not a handful of villages in a large goat field! That's really scraping the bottom of the barrel. Do you think that there weren't states that size all over the planet at the time?

Even by your figures, the Persian empire is older the the Roman empire, not a shoddy small town which Rome was pre-Hannibal.

Of course there were conflicts between Iran and Egypt. It happened in Egypts late period. The war was between the persian king kambyses and Pharao Psamettik III which happened in 525 before christ. Persia was 75 years old by then. Rome was 200 years old then and Egypt 3500 years old by then.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Pelusium_(525_BC)

The persians acted like animals btw and destroyed the old caital of Egypt.

You are free to name an earlier conflict between Egypt and Persia. Move on. You wont find any.

Btw you know how much Egyptians celebrated when Alexander the Great crushed Persia and rescued them from persian opression?

A shoddy small town could not have defeated Carthago. When Rome defeated Carthago, we were already an Republic and the most avanced society in the world at that point of time.

Etruscans were not villages in a goat field. It was a high culture which evolved into the Empire. The Persian Empire also never reached the style and class of etruscan art.

 

[jamal18]

Of course there were conflicts between Iran and Egypt. It happened in Egypts late period. The war was between the persian king kambyses and Pharao Psamettik III which happened in 525 before christ. Persia was 75 years old by then. Rome was 200 years old then and Egypt 3500 years old by then.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Pelusium_(525_BC)

The persians acted like animals btw and destroyed the old caital of Egypt.

You are free to name an earlier conflict between Egypt and Persia. Move on. You wont find any.

Btw you know how much Egyptians celebrated when Alexander the Great crushed Persia and rescued them from persian opression?

A shoddy small town could not have defeated Carthago. When Rome defeated Carthago, we were already an Republic and the most avanced society in the world at that point of time.

Etruscans were not villages in a goat field. It was a high culture which evolved into the Empire. The Persian Empire also never reached the style and class of etruscan art.

Etruscans were an empire? They barely left Italy.

Rome barely left Italy until the Punic wars. It emerged as a major power after that, the second punic war ended about 183 BC. And the Persians had an empire 500BC, your figures.

Rome was founded in 753 BC ? I'll accept your figures, but it didn't come close to an empire until 183 BC.
Not a shoddy town ? Remember the Rape of the Sabine women?

 

[ValerioAurelius]

Etruscans were an empire? They barely left Italy.

Rome barely left Italy until the Punic wars. It emerged as a major power after that, the second punic war ended about 183 BC. And the Persians had an empire 500BC, your figures.

Rome was founded in 753 BC ? I'll accept your figures, but it didn't come close to an empire until 183 BC.
Not a shoddy town ? Remember the Rape of the Sabine women?

Rome was a marine power before punic wars. It was why the war started, to sort out who is the boss in mediterranean.

Egyptians also barely left Egypt. Do you say now Egypt was no great power?

 

[DejanSRB]

Its also worth to mention that Rome followed the greek point of view which saw Persia as rather savage and despot.

Fu*king bullshit.

Persia was admired by Greeks, did you even read something from Thucydides. They only feel uncomfortable with Persian relations with its emperor, Persians look at its emperors as demigods. Ancient Greeks, forefathers of civilized world, simply deny that kind of relationship with its leaders.

Just a couple months ago you said that Alexandar the Great is you hero. Guy who married 20.000 of his soldiers to most beautiful Persian princesses and women. Guy who want to incorporate whole Persian civilization into Hellenic one. And more then 2300 years after, his follower called Markus called Persians savages. Wtf?

It is funny, how you always put your European and white heritage over non-Europeans on this forum, but you dont know basic things about our civilization. There is some posts where I agreed with you, but with these kind of bullshit you just cross red fucking line on history topics .

@jamal18

Rape of Sabine women was probably a myth. Simply, earliest Roman history was very little known, so myths was basic of their historiography back then.

 

[ValerioAurelius]

Fu*king bullshit.

Persia was admired by Greeks, did you even read something from Thucydides. They only feel uncomfortable with Persian relations with its emperor, Persians look at its emperors as demigods. Ancient Greeks, forefathers of civilized world, simply deny that kind of relationship with its leaders.

Just a couple months ago you said that Alexandar the Great is you hero. Guy who married 20.000 of his soldiers to most beautiful Persian princesses and women. Guy who want to incorporate whole Persian civilization into Hellenic one. And more then 2300 years after, his follower called Markus called Persians savages. Wtf?

It is funny, how you always put your European and white heritage over non-Europeans on this forum, but you dont know basic things about our civilization. There is some posts where I agreed with you, but with these kind of bullshit you just cross red fucking line on history topics .

@jamal18

Rape of Sabine women was probably a myth. Simply, earliest Roman history was very little known, so myths was basic of their historiography back then.

Wrong again, the general perspective was that persia was despotism, because it had no democratic concept as you said yourself. By marrying persian women Alexander subjugated persia. Its a coomon concept. I also fucked a syrian girl. That doesnt mean i have any respect for syrian history and culture.

 

[Attila the Hun]

I also fucked a syrian girl. That doesnt mean i have any respect for syrian history and culture.

I feel same. I zero respect for the culture of Italy.

 

[U-571]

Wrong. MAjority of europeans visits Italy because its culture and art. Our weather is not that sunny. Tuscany has lots of rain.

They come because Leonardo da Vinci. They come because teh Roman Empire. They come because the Vatican. They come because the largest art collections in the world.

Germany has no touristic value.

Italy is one of the most expensive travel destinations in the world. A night in Roma or Firenze costs almost 2 times more than Frankfurt or Berlin.

http://www.euronews.com/2014/06/30/italy-is-the-most-expensive-holiday-destination-in-europe

There is more beauty in Capri than entire Germany

europeans always blow out of proportions about their arts and culture, everything is borrowed.

 

[ValerioAurelius]

europeans always blow out of proportions about their arts and culture, everything is borrowed.

We are only one who actually has art and culture