The Fight against ISIS Terrorism | Updates & Discussions

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ome people realized ISIS is a threat to us yesterday? After all terror attacks on us in the last year...

Since the ISIS established it was threat to us. But prior to airport attack, they always attacked on certain ideologies (HDP, leftists,etc..) and foreign nationals. This is the first time they are openly attacking Turkish civilians.

And yes, they were a threat, now their danger level scaled up.

 

[Saithan]

Turkish intelligence warned of potential Istanbul airport attack around 20 days ago: Report

Turkish intelligence units sent a warning letter to related state institutions about a potential attack by the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) jihadist group targeting Istanbul around 20 days ago, before the city’s main airport was hit in a deadly terror attack late on June 28, a senior Turkish journalist based in Ankara has reported.

Speaking during a live broadcast on June 29, Doğan TV's Ankara representative Hande Fırat stated that intelligence units sent a warning letter to all state institutions about a possible attack on Istanbul.

“Intelligence units sent a warning letter to the top of the state and all its institutions in early June, around 20 days ago, about Istanbul,” Fırat said.

She added that the name of targeted places was included on the list in the message, with the Istanbul Atatürk Airport also mentioned.

According to the Istanbul Governor’s Office, at least 41 people were killed and 239 others were injured when suspected ISIL militants attacked Istanbul Atatürk Airport late on June 28.

Thirteen of the victims were foreign including five Saudi Arabian nationals, one Tunisian, one Uzbek, two Iraqis, one Jordanian, one Ukrainian, one Iranian and one person of East Turkestan origin.

The Turkish Prime Ministry declared an official day of mourning on June 29 due to the losses suffered in the attack.

June/29/2016

source: http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/tu...port.aspx?pageID=238&nID=101061&NewsCatID=341

 

[Timur]

You can say conspiracy theory and thin foiled timur to me.. But I doubt that isis is a real thread to turkey.. When it comes to is or alkaida we can assume that it is a warning from higher superpower state or else..

We had bombing in Istanbul and it came out not to be alkaida but derin devlet maniacs.. And we make peace with Russia and here we have another bombing.. This coincidences are always coming with such bombings..

So I think there must be some master behind the scene wich we can not say in public..

We need better control check points and bullet proof glass or betonwalls etc areas, for example build such things like airports the way that not much ppl can be targeted at once.. Maybe it's too expensive but it would pay off

The best way to attack groups like isis is with religion.. Focus on that and they will have no ground in turkey.. And if we infiltrate and have massive a use of MIT and JITEM than it would be over in no time

 

[kartal1]

This is the air ticket of one of the suicide bombers (2) killed on the syrian border in recent activities.

 

[EasyNow]

You

We need better control check points and bullet proof glass or betonwalls etc areas, for example build such things like airports the way that not much ppl can be targeted at once.. Maybe it's too expensive but it would pay off

The best way to attack groups like isis is with religion.. Focus on that and they will have no ground in turkey.. And if we infiltrate and have massive a use of MIT and JITEM than it would be over in no time

You are falling into the same trap that many victims of terror fell into. History has shown that more religion does not work as an answer to terrorism.

KSA, Iran, Saddam, Gaddafi and even old secular Turkey proved that you have to control extremists with an iron fist not with more religious education.

On the other hand Pakistan, an intellectual, moderate society in the 1980s adopted your method and embraced the imam. Today it is more religious than ever, religion is prevalent in every institution, yet terror has been at an all time high.

It was only by going back to brute tactics, through the recent operation 'zarb e azb' that they managed to take back control. That is the sad truth.

Unfortunately your conspiracy theory is also an indicator of the slow slide of Turkey into an illogical, religious worldview. This attack was no reaction to recent Turkish policy, it was warned about 20 days ago by Turkish intelligence.

 

[Timur]

You are falling into the same trap that many victims of terror fell into. History has shown that more religion does not work as an answer to terrorism.

KSA, Iran, Saddam, Gaddafi and even old secular Turkey proved that you have to control extremists with an iron fist not with more religious education.

On the other hand Pakistan, an intellectual, moderate society in the 1980s adopted your method and embraced the imam. Today it is more religious than ever, religion is prevalent in every institution, yet terror has been at an all time high.

It was only by going back to brute tactics, through the recent operation 'zarb e azb' that they managed to take back control. That is the sad truth.

Unfortunately your conspiracy theory is also an indicator of the slow slide of Turkey into an illogical, religious worldview. This attack was no reaction to recent Turkish policy, it was warned about 20 days ago by Turkish intelligence.

You are compleatly wrong.. If you do not control religion than you will make place for extrimists.. And they will love to fill that gap..

You have to control it by media, state imams and state mosques with a real program for that

History shows us that those who do not care let the gap be filled by foreign extremist who work for foreign non religious enemies..

Iron fist does not work it's oppression of even normal ppl.. You may be non religious that's why you have such barbaric archaic thoughts

You have to make peace with religion and not make it an enemy that's why radicals have a ground in such countries you have listed above.. Most of the countries you listed had oppression and brutal dictators as leaders.. The very most ppl don't search for extrimism they search for normal peaceful religion that's what most people want to have..

Look at Europe there is no oppression in religion and religion has its place in society and state

 

[what]

Timur how religious is the German society or politics? Or France?

 

[CrimsonFury]

We should create our own version of Guantanamo somewhere in Marmara, label it a black site, and suspend human rights for any prisoners that are transported there. The pigs should be interrogated/tortured and then liquified, their corpses burned in ovens and their ashes dumped in the sewers

 

[EasyNow]

You are compleatly wrong.. If you do not control religion than you will make place for extrimists.. And they will love to fill that gap..

You have to control it by media, state imams and state mosques with a real program for that

History shows us that those who do not care let the gap be filled by foreign extremist who work for foreign non religious enemies..

Iron fist does not work it's oppression of even normal ppl.. You may be non religious that's why you have such barbaric archaic thoughts

You have to make peace with religion and not make it an enemy that's why radicals have a ground in such countries you have listed above.. Most of the countries you listed had oppression and brutal dictators as leaders.. The very most ppl don't search for extrimism they search for normal peaceful religion that's what most people want to have..

Look at Europe there is no oppression in religion and religion has its place in society and state

I'm speaking from my experience in the UK. It is probably the most religiously tolerant place on earth. I have watched as the government encouraged religious teaching and religious dialogue to grow.

Mosques received state funding, foreign ideologues like omar bakri and Abu hamza were given sanctuary and allowed to build congregations, the best scholars in the world were invited in, even schools and hospitals started serving halal meals.

Did the imams turn into decent citizens? No, they built their strength. The more time they had the more extreme they became - it's the natural progression.

Groups started popping up all over the place: Al muhajiroun, hizb ut tahrir, dawatul Islam even a group like Islam4UK, which wants sharia law in UK. Islamic societies at the worlds leading universities started segregating women in meetings, voting was shunned by many Muslims, the dialogue became increasingly political. Instead of appreciating their good fortune, Muslim leaders used the UK as a safe haven to lead revolt in their own poor countries... And things just got worse.

Today the UK has more extremist and radical Muslims than almost anywhere per head. 760 people physically joined isis in syria. Can you imagine that? What was missing for these people in terms of religious teaching? Even countries with the most learned scholars like KSA and Egypt have contributed 100s of Isis members.

Ataturk destroyed the religious establishment because of this same outcome. You are back at the beginning of the cycle but the end result will be the same.

People need clear rules and social boundaries, not more religious teaching.

Yes I agree that many I named trampled human rights but the mullahs do not recognise human rights either. They don't believe in free speech or freedom to dissent. So I don't know how they can use that as an excuse to justify terror.

 

[Zulkarneyn]

There are certain mesaures we can do following this horrible attack.
1: Don't take in anymore Syrians. The ones we got we need to educate and integrate, because the timeframe for their return is problematic.
2: We need to apply VISUM for every Middle Eastern country and including Uzbekistan, Russia and the other Stans.
3: Every Middle Eastern name from Europe who travel to Istanbul need to be closely followed.

If MIT can't trace these terrorist networks and people in Turkey they need to establish a new system of surveillance - human surveillance. In every district (or even neighbourhood) there should be people who keep track on the "outliers" who don't blend in with the others and society and who are suspicious. I have no fricking idea why Turkish intelligence doesn't set up such a system. This is not only effective against potential ISIS terrorists but more so against PKK. The benefits by FAR outweighs the short term costs.

We are not an island country, our borders are not protected like Eurpoean. We've got the worst imaginable neighbours. We either keep track of every single soul in Turkey or our people keep dying at the hands of these groups

 

[CrimsonFury]

http://www.dailysabah.com/war-on-terror/2016/07/01/turkey-captures-5-daesh-suspects-on-syria-border

Don't capture them, just kill them. I don't get why they still haven't taken the gloves off, spineless morons.

 

[Saithan]

Do as China does, scan and record all pasport of foreign national. Entering your country.

 

[Timur]

I'm speaking from my experience in the UK. It is probably the most religiously tolerant place on earth. I have watched as the government encouraged religious teaching and religious dialogue to grow.

Mosques received state funding, foreign ideologues like omar bakri and Abu hamza were given sanctuary and allowed to build congregations, the best scholars in the world were invited in, even schools and hospitals started serving halal meals.

Did the imams turn into decent citizens? No, they built their strength. The more time they had the more extreme they became - it's the natural progression.

Groups started popping up all over the place: Al muhajiroun, hizb ut tahrir, dawatul Islam even a group like Islam4UK, which wants sharia law in UK. Islamic societies at the worlds leading universities started segregating women in meetings, voting was shunned by many Muslims, the dialogue became increasingly political. Instead of appreciating their good fortune, Muslim leaders used the UK as a safe haven to lead revolt in their own poor countries... And things just got worse.

Today the UK has more extremist and radical Muslims than almost anywhere per head. 760 people physically joined isis in syria. Can you imagine that? What was missing for these people in terms of religious teaching? Even countries with the most learned scholars like KSA and Egypt have contributed 100s of Isis members.

Ataturk destroyed the religious establishment because of this same outcome. You are back at the beginning of the cycle but the end result will be the same.

People need clear rules and social boundaries, not more religious teaching.

Yes I agree that many I named trampled human rights but the mullahs do not recognise human rights either. They don't believe in free speech or freedom to dissent. So I don't know how they can use that as an excuse to justify terror.

I don't see such problems in germany and Turkey with Turkish groups except the ones who go to germans or Arabs the groups wich are infiltrated by certain countries including western countries

So the problem lies not in Turkish faith and society and this have to be protected we have our state religious group but it has to change to face that outsiders

 

[EasyNow]

I don't see such problems in germany and Turkey with Turkish groups except the ones who go to germans or Arabs the groups wich are infiltrated by certain countries including western countries

So the problem lies not in Turkish faith and society and this have to be protected we have our state religious group but it has to change to face that outsiders

For Turkey's sake I hope you are right.

 

[Yatağanlı]

Hey guys,

So what kind of repercussions have the Turkish armed forces made since the bombing? Did they target DAESH in syria, with jets and howitzers or something?