I didn't blame anybody. Saudia is doing great with its enormous oil wealth, producing dozens of scientific breakthroughs and nobel prize winners each year. What an accomplishment!
Saudia is problem. It is the
vector.
I rarely need any Pakistani newspaper except Dawn and ET. Not sure if this "feels good" reading all the negative news about my former country
I read Dawn but ii is too focussed on India - It could be a Indian newspaper. I was a big fan of Daily Times but since the change in editor ( post Salman Taseer demise ) it has gone down.
We have no Holocaust denial laws here in Norway. Most of the said laws were passed in EU countries and Israel:
Laws against Holocaust denial - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I have no idea why people bring this up for., We have bigger problems in Pakistan than worry about this. It reminds me of that stupid woman which became world wide drama because her coke can was open. 100s of Muslim's get killed in mosques in Pakistan like animals and the big headache is opened can of coke. Ever heard of saying "
first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly the speck in other person's eye".
Thanks. But lets be clear: Not all Muslims can be moulded this way despite being born and raised here all their lives. Today, second and even third generation of Norwegian Muslims tend to be more extreme, fundamental and jihadi than their parents. Reason for this being is that from their early childhood, they are sent to mosques, madrassas, islamic schools that are controlled by the very same bigoted Mullahs that destroyed our former homelands, such as Pakistan in the first place. And then we watch in confusion why so many of our European Muslim brothers are joining hands with Jihadis in Syria? It makes perfect sense when you have not developed any sense of belonging to your current country and you have been busy study "versions" of Islam that only preaches hatred for the non-Muslims and their way of life!
Of course your right there. It is the exact same thing here in UK. People call it "British Muslim" problem. The truth is it is nothing British about it. If you bring with you from your home country all the vices then you will just recreate the same problems in UK.
I have seen Somali areas in UK. Honestly they resemble Somalia 100%. Take away the roads, signs, the police and you have Somalia. They carry knives, machetes and gun culture is rife. They just recreated Somalia including female circumcision.
With Pakistani's the madaris that opened up employed imprted ignorent mullah's from Pakistan - the exact ones who have turned Pakistan into nightmare of killing Shia/Sunni/Wahabi/Ahmedi and all the rest. Well they have infected the same disease to the British Pakistani's. The only reason they have not gone further is because the British state is strong so will not tolerate a madaris becoming like Lal Masjid. Otherwise there would be Lal masjids here as well.
You know what the real sad part is. We emigrate from Pakistan to foreign countries. Clearly we have messed up Pakistan. clearly the way we are doing things is flawed. Yet we come abroad to countries which clearly have done better than us. Instead of learning from them we end up complaining about them and lecturing them. In other words we want to repeat more of what has failed.
If you say the prescription has failed ( Islamic state ) the stock answer is NO. They wil say the reason is there is no Islamic state in the world. In their calculus there has never been any Islamic state in the last 1,000 years. This is frustrating and intellectuel bankruptcy because according to that measure communism did not fail either. All the communists will say Soviet Union, China, Easter Europe were not communist. Cuba is not communist.
That way capitalism, communism, christianity or any other ism has never failed because their detractors will claim " they did not fail because they never were applied properly". This is a ridicalous excuse I hear often. Almost childish and beyond belief.
You come to me complaining of headache and I say do 10 press ups and you will be cured. You do it and your headache has got worse to which I reply you did not do the press ups properly. You do it again and it does not work to which I say you did not do it properly. 100s of people try my precription and it fails but I still refuse to accept their could be a problem with the prescription. Instead I insist the prescription is perfect only it's application is wrong.
I don't think by "toning down" would give me any more of an influence on these gullible Pakistanis. I used to be great friends with
@TankMan and
@syedali73 not so long ago during dharna-times. But not anymore. Our views regarding Islam, Israel and religion as a whole are so indifferent that toning down would only make the matter worse. Its best to let things come out as open as possible, IMO
Of course some are beyond redemption. I said 50 years plus? I read once the only constant is change and change comes through the generational renewal. The death, birth cycle and of course time. It will happen but it will take time.
Look around you the only non Europan country that stood up against the West and equalled it and earned respect was Japan. Check their history. In 1890s they changed Japan in few decades and by 1910 Tokyo looked like Europe. They copied the European lock stock and barrel. Did they cry about inferiority complex? No because they new that real inferiority is being coloinized, poor and weak. Take a look at Japan today. In the Muslim world which country proved to have the most pride?
It fought against Europeans as a equal. while we became slaves they fought. Today that country is Turkey. Have a look at Istanbul. Of all Muslim countries it is not a coincidence it is most similar to Europe. That is because the turks also recognized that change was needed like Japanese. They changed. Compare Istanbul with Karachi.
Norwegian Police is completely humane. You won't expect them using violence unless provoked violently first. Heck, even our army is neutralized into being just a peacekeeping "force" and nothing more. My brother is currently serving in the Norwegian army as a cadet. And what he tells me of their ethical policies, shocks even my own wild fantasies about pacifism
And bravo to that. That is what "civilized" means. Shooting humans like animals every day is not sign of civilized. It is sign of a sick society.
Agreed. Sometimes I wonder if there is such a thing as Western civilization. Last year two similar social experiments were conducted. One in Oslo and another in New York of a freezing, helpless child. The results of this is enough to shock you how different American "civilization" has become from the Norwegian one:
The American are still within the wider western civilization but clearly they have gone to the extreme right from the more left leaning social liberal north western Europe.
Yeh, I have heard about and been impressed by Hadia Tajik. These are examples of Pakistani's who make our people look good. I think the Pak Norweigians for their size have done relatively better than in other places.
In Arab countries, where all the current roots of violent versions of Islam can be traced, they never taught their children in institutions that are run by some semi-literate Mullahs. In fact, violent reactionary versions of Islam got their boost after Saudi oil wealth expansion. You expect people to believe that violent Jihadis like Bin Laden and other Arabs who arrived in Afghanistan for "Jihad" against Soviets were educated in some third world standard institutions? Nope. They studied in professional Islamic schools, that were funded by Saudi Education ministry
The real problem is Saudi funded salafi madaris and their spread everywhere. They have strangled Pakistan and no leader has the guts to do anything about it. Oil money is real power. Money, money in the rich man's world song by Abba comes to mind. It is that simple.
Osama Bin Laden profile: How a boy born into wealth and privilege became the world’s most wanted man - Mirror Online
So that's how the world's most wanted terrorist Jihadi was born and raised in immense wealth. Its really that simple.
Lot of the jihadi's in UK are also quite well off. Poverty is not the reason. It is the infection they catch at the madaris that turns them rabid,
How is self-critique a form of inferiority complex?
Self critique is another name of progress. It allows constant scrutiny of your society and therein lies the possibility of change. The British are the most ( no idea about Norweigians ) moaning, btchin, complaing people you can find. They find fault with everything but that keeps the officials on their toes and nothing is 'holy cow'. Everything is subject to dersion and criticism including the queen.
Inferiority complex is prsented by people not able to be critical of self because so weak is their resolve that they can't cope with any form of criticism. If you are secure, confident only than can you handle self criticism.
Thus being self critical is sign of superiority complex not the other way around. Being strong enables you cope with scrutiny. confident societies allow free debate andthere is no holy cows.
