Interestingly, such bullshit is not posted in Urdu print media, the mainstream media, which majority of Pakistani read and understand. These author know that their pieces of craps will be rejected out rightly so they write for a very select, very small readership that in no way represents Pakistan or its public, however influential at government level.
Sure. Such BS can only be viewed by adults with IQ above 95 at least. Most Urdu readers have difficulties comprehending such Western nonsense so its rejected outright by the editors
So you post the article started from Pakistan then blamed sharia then saudi arabia then flogging then beheading then monarchy- now Muslims the self appointed ones-
I didn't blame anybody. Saudia is doing great with its enormous oil wealth, producing dozens of scientific breakthroughs and nobel prize winners each year. What an accomplishment!
In addition to, of course, some expatriates and the Indians that tend to spend a long time on Pakistani English news websites just to feel good.
I rarely need any Pakistani newspaper except Dawn and ET. Not sure if this "feels good" reading all the negative news about my former country
Bhai jaan he is sitting in Europe if he says any thing against holocaust or the jews for that matter he could be persecuted but in a humane way- may be deported - so try to be in his shoes for a sec- he simply just cant be honest even for a second -
We have no Holocaust denial laws here in Norway. Most of the said laws were passed in EU countries and Israel:
Laws against Holocaust denial - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I believe this is where we went wrong. We have left the interpretation and teaching of Islam on semi- or illiterate Mullah and the result is in front of us. There is no doubt that a majority of mosques, I dare to say up to 99%, and so-called madrassah teach very sectarian -specific Islam that is indeed destroying our society. As a result, two groups are being born: a. Those who hate Islam and b. those who blindly follow sectarian interpretation of Islam.
Very well said! Applauded!
@Norwegian I share almost all your sentiments, indeed lot of your views are admirable. The problem is my friend you have been developed into a progressive human being thanks to Norway, a country probably at the top of the totem pole in the world in terms of
social equity, progress and
fairness. Consider yourself lucky. It has been interesting for me in observing your posts to see how Norway has moulded you.
Thanks. But lets be clear: Not all Muslims can be moulded this way despite being born and raised here all their lives. Today, second and even third generation of Norwegian Muslims tend to be more extreme, fundamental and jihadi than their parents. Reason for this being is that from their early childhood, they are sent to mosques, madrassas, islamic schools that are controlled by the very same bigoted Mullahs that destroyed our former homelands, such as Pakistan in the first place. And then we watch in confusion why so many of our European Muslim brothers are joining hands with Jihadis in Syria? It makes perfect sense when you have not developed any sense of belonging to your current country and you have been busy study "versions" of Islam that only preaches hatred for the non-Muslims and their way of life!
As I suspected it has has had positive and profound effect on you. Now there is downside to this. I know your in 2015 and so is Pakistan. However the reality both you and your country of origin exist on two differance points on the time continuum. To put it bluntly your about 50 years if not more ahead of your country of origin. Thus I strongly suggest to get traction around here tone down your views so that you can have some influence became some is better than non. That way you might walk away having made some minds around here rethink their take on the world.
I don't think by "toning down" would give me any more of an influence on these gullible Pakistanis. I used to be great friends with
@TankMan and
@syedali73 not so long ago during dharna-times. But not anymore. Our views regarding Islam, Israel and religion as a whole are so indifferent that toning down would only make the matter worse. Its best to let things come out as open as possible, IMO
On another matter I was watching a video on crime in Norway and was pleasantly surprised it is actually even better than UK. The Norweigian Police officer had pulled his gun once in 5 years and just 3 shots had been fired in anger .....
Norwegian Police is completely humane. You won't expect them using violence unless provoked violently first. Heck, even our army is neutralized into being just a peacekeeping "force" and nothing more. My brother is currently serving in the Norwegian army as a cadet. And what he tells me of their ethical policies, shocks even my own wild fantasies about pacifism
That is what I call "civilization" ...
Agreed. Sometimes I wonder if there is such a thing as Western civilization. Last year two similar social experiments were conducted. One in Oslo and another in New York of a freezing, helpless child. The results of this is enough to shock you how different American "civilization" has become from the Norwegian one:
I might visit Norway sometime. Do tell us in another thread about life in Norway and Pak Norweigians ...
For starters:
Norwegians with Pakistani background - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
As for solving the issue, I agree with your idea of teaching people Islam in state-run, modern education institutions with qualified teachers and scholars.
In Arab countries, where all the current roots of violent versions of Islam can be traced, they never taught their children in institutions that are run by some semi-literate Mullahs. In fact, violent reactionary versions of Islam got their boost after Saudi oil wealth expansion. You expect people to believe that violent Jihadis like Bin Laden and other Arabs who arrived in Afghanistan for "Jihad" against Soviets were educated in some third world standard institutions? Nope. They studied in professional Islamic schools, that were funded by Saudi Education ministry
In 1968, when he was 11, his father was killed in a plane crash. Bin Laden’s share of Mohammed’s vast fortune was significantly less than the reported £180million, but it was still a treasure chest that helped fund decades of fighting.
From the age of 13, bin Laden attended the prestigious Al-Thager Model School, in Jeddah – one teacher recalled him as a tall, polite pupil. Later he went to the King Abdulaziz University in Jeddah.
But in his teens he became drawn to Islam. His father’s firm won contracts to rebuild the Mecca and Medina mosques. And unlike his brothers, who went to the West for their education, he stayed in Saudi where universities welcomed radical Islamists – including the Muslim Brotherhood – on to the teaching staff.
These radical teachers told the teenager that Islam had to be strictly adhered to in order to protect against the corruption of the West.
It was a lesson that bin Laden – brought up in luxury and decadence – embraced, and he joined the Brotherhood.
University friend Jamal Khalifa said they spent their time studying and not watching films or listening to music as it was against the teachings of the Koran.
Osama Bin Laden profile: How a boy born into wealth and privilege became the world’s most wanted man - Mirror Online
So that's how the world's most wanted terrorist Jihadi was born and raised in immense wealth. Its really that simple.
We don't take lessons from those who suffer from inferiority complex!
How is self-critique a form of inferiority complex?
Not ALL Christians hate us The Prophet (may peace and blessings of Allah be upon him), sent the companions to Abbassinyya when the Idol worshipers wanted to kill us. This was Christian monarchy.
Yes, not all Christians hate us, but we still hate all non-Muslims and their non-Islamic way of life. How's that?
There is NO Islamic State on this planet. Believe or not, the onus is on you to read up and find out about the truth!
There is. And believe or not, they are more than one, but sadly none of them forms a Muslim majority, unlucky for you
http://hossein-askari.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/islamicity-index.pdf
Murder, rape, highway robbery, etc are serious crimes. It shows you don't give justice to the victims and reward the criminals!
How is enforced rehab as punishment for a very long number of years can even be considered "reward" for the criminals? What IQ do you have actually?
As I said, humiliating public punishments such as caning, flogging etc never fixed any criminal mind back to normal life.
Actually, NO! Allah tells us not ALL (People of the book) Jews hate us.
Yeah, of course. Jews hate us. All Non-Muslims hate us and vice versa. Keep hating Schmucks!
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