The End of Saudi Arabia’s Illusion

[Timur]

You're blinded by your hatred for Arabs and therefore it is affecting your judgement/ability to foresee events.

OK its over man!

I take YOU and put you in the IGNORANT NATIONALIST LIAR box and I may never put you out of this category.. you are equal to saif al arab or you are one of his multible personalities that is even worser labeling you as undertakerwwefan..

you may be blessed by allah the almighty with seeing the future.. that is the reason why you say

it will play out exactly how I explained it will

You're blinded by your hatred for Arabs and therefore it is affecting your judgement/ability to foresee events.

you can say this thozusand times it will only harden yourself against me.. but I have no hate against arabs

and if you say real arabs are saudis specially their wicked leadership and specially that MBS than you are again also unright and untruth the only thing you could say is I dislike the sauds and many arab leaders in this region and their blind followers.. man hate is a big word! I would really talk different to you if I would hate you.. but how to explain it to an ultranationalist who covers himself in some mixed in islamic ideas.. and dont begin to cry again like you always do and accuse me of things I didnt do and say the saif al arab way..

you are a compleatly blinded nationalist if I like turks and others like pakistanis, indonesians, tunesians, algerians, mostly marrocans, malaysia than I also know there are ones who are compleate idiots and useless ppl that also counts specially for politicians and no one of them is worshipped by me.. I know many of them are useless pigs working for themselfes and shaitan..

I belive (look I do not say I can look into your heart like you say that you can absolutly see the future) that you hate turks and other non arabs.. but mostly persians specially if they do not agree with you! therefore you are blinded.. and your unusal support for sauds in this forum wich is sometimes lesser but mostly I followed you and see that you tend to overprotect them and than you begin to say no "I am critisizing them.." ... ho ho hoooo

if you like say I hate arabs.. but still hate is a big word and gulfies are not the whole arab world.. I am no idiot if I say that we turks need to concentrate on our own specially when the crocodiles are around us threatening us together with israel.. a fool who blindly follows idiotic leaders who only care for themselves and kill ppl for their power even if they just said something for peace

also you may say I am fool because I said an iranian saudi war does not benefit anyone this and the danger of sauds going into a war with iran and than spoiling for war against turkey is what I am always warning against..

saif do you show again..

 

[925boy]

Maybe this realisation will finally lead to peace?

Middle easterners are stubborn people.

Great post.

If I take the lessons from this article to be correct. I fear , saudis will try to drag Pakistan more into protecting them. After Americans, they rely on us. And since American guaranteed has faded , Pakistan's role will become more prominent.

Your logic and rational are reasonable.

 

[Timur]

Hard to believe that the arabs of the arabian peninsula a thousand years ago marched into persia and levelled the empire to the ground.

you should say muslims that the better way to descripe them because they didnt make any difference with others except their faith this was their power very different from today

 

[925boy]

Saudi Arabia oil production shut down actually help US. More then anything Saudis could pay them for war. This isnt 90’s anymore.

Because KSA oil production shut down helped US doesnt mean US supported it or did it. thats just a coincidence.

 

[Falcon29]

OK its over man!

I take YOU and put you in the IGNORANT NATIONALIST LIAR box and I may never put you out of this category.. you are equal to saif al arab or you are one of his multible personalities that is even worser labeling you as undertakerwwefan..

Calm down man I am definitely not Saif or previously Al-Hasani. He is well known member who likes to post about ancient civilizations, history, archeology and other things and he is easy to recognize. You are only one who thinks I am him, lol.

you may be blessed by allah the almighty with seeing the future.. that is the reason why you say

Only Allah knows the future. I am just putting hypothetical scenario based on overall state of region and who would come to aid of who if such an war erupted.

you can say this thozusand times it will only harden yourself against me.. but I have no hate against arabs

Okay, well then you might have confusions.

I belive (look I do not say I can look into your heart like you say that you can absolutly see the future) that you hate turks and other non arabs.. but mostly persians specially if they do not agree with you! therefore you are blinded.. and your unusal support for sauds in this forum wich is sometimes lesser but mostly I followed you and see that you tend to overprotect them and than you begin to say no "I am critisizing them.." ... ho ho hoooo

I do not hate non-Arabs. And I was very pro-Iran when I first joined this forum. I have always had positive view of Turks and Turkey. But as far as non-Arabs go, why would I hate them and why do you think that? You are reading from other Arab guys on twitter that are pro-regime guys and thinking all of us are the same. It isn't that way.

 

[Kabira]

Because KSA oil production shut down helped US doesnt mean US supported it or did it. thats just a coincidence.

If US was dependent on Saudi oil like till 90’s then they would have taken different approach. Similar to one when Saddam invaded Kuwait.

They would come to Israel aid if needed. But Israel is good enough to defend itself, same cannot be said of arabs.

 

[Timur]

hypothetical scenario

ok but you didnt sound like hypothetical scenario:

You're an idiot man, it will play out exactly how I explained it will.

But as far as non-Arabs go, why would I hate them and why do you think that? You are reading from other Arab guys on twitter that are pro-regime guys and thinking all of us are the same. It isn't that way

so if you can say that you are not hating non arabs than you might also think about me not hating arabs but disliking the regime and their blind followers.. and if you see that you might also see the warning speech against war and helping out US to burn the ME

 

[Falcon29]

ok but you didnt sound like hypothetical scenario:





so if you can say that you are not hating non arabs than you might also think about me not hating arabs but disliking the regime and their blind followers.. and if you see that you might also see the warning speech against war and helping out US to burn the ME

Okay, I do not see you as hating Arabs. But I see things a little differently from you for the region. For Turkeys interests it might be different perspective but for Arab world we need change.

 

[Timur]

Arab world we need change

what did this change bring you? arab spring is a regional power and usisraeli idea that just burned many countries..
your soulution cant be saudi arabia because it acts like a little child wich wants more power and also is involved in this game?

 

[Hack-Hook]

Average Iranian is more cowardly than your average Arab. Arabs don't lack courage(war isn't won by courage alone). The Saudi's for example are very loyal to their leadership to keep the society there put together. Remember the Al-Saud family ruled on the basis of ending intertribal wars and unified them under one country. If Saudi's go to war with Iran, and the Al Saud family doesn't provide sufficient protection, then there is a risk of intertribal wars and revolt once again.

Saudi's can't go to war with Iran as it would be an war of attrition which is suitable for the Iranians as they have bad economy already and sanctions, military experience and localized military industry. Lots of resources as well. Saudi's have a good economy and can't afford to be in long wars(real wars where they take a lot more damage). In such a war, you have to invade Iran to neutralize some of their offensive threats. Problem is Iraq will not cooperate and Iraqi's are majority Shia that border Iran. You need to invade Iran through Iraq. Iran is a big country as the foreign powers at time colonizing them did not divide it up into many pieces like they did with Arab nations. It can absorb lots of damage more than Saudi Arabia, which is mostly desert.

So Saudis needed a different approach after the Arab spring but it failed to capitalize on Arab spring.

You see ,the difference is here.arabs are loyal to tribal leaders and so if the tribal interest conflict they fight each others in iran we are loyal to iran and when it's time there is no conflict of interest there.

How a Saudi/Gulf-Iranian would play out, excluding what ignites such a war:

-Iranian, Iraqi, Lebanese, Yemeni strikes on Saudi Arabia and maybe UAE
-Saudi monarchy collapses but Saudi army fights on
-Invasion of Saudi via Iraq by Shia militias/volunteers from around world, maybe Iranian forces too
-Saudi civilian population not accustomed to war and has to organize/regroup, during this Saudis will be taking lots of casualties and losing ground
-Because no authority is left, calls for Jihad begin
-Arabs start with Israel before Iran, from the direction of Egypt, because Israel and the US will attack Arabs if they invade Iran
-Arabs defeat Israel, then head to Saudi Arabia to repel Shia invasion
-Arabs begin invading Iran, Iranians who say death to US and Israel, and accuse Arabs of being client stats of US, will make calls to US/European media/forums and beg them to come save them citing reasons such as if Iran fell an Sunni Caliphate will be established and they will invade Europe and subjugate minorities and how they are brothers in ideology and share common enemy(Sunni Muslims).

Ironically it is presence of Israel protecting Iran. If Arabs made an effort to invade Iran, they will be accussed of being ISIS and international coalition will invade much of Arab world. But Shia militias can invade Saudis no problem. Arabs have to deal with Israel first, which will deter any international coalition from intervening in the process of repelling Shia militias/Iran.



Israel/Nato/US are protecting Iran. If Arabs invade Iran whole of US/NATO/Israel and other coalition countries will invade from Arabs from behind to stop invasion of Iran. Because it will become Jihad fard if Saudi Arabia is invaded and the Saudi regime collapses. Lots of Muslims from Egypt, Tunisia, Morocco , Algeria will come to help the Saudis and they have to get through Israel first(via Egypt).

Because it also becomes jihad fard(organized, no ISIS like atrocities), it will still freak the world out that the Arabs will finally done with Israel and Iran and establish Sunni Caliphate so there is huge risk of international coalition invading Egypt(to help Israel) and maybe Syria/Iraq to help Iran and try preventing Sunni Caliphate from being established(even though Sunnis decide what they want and that's no one business).

So fighting Iran means fighting Israel, US and NATO and maybe other countries who help Iran. Unless Trump lets go of Israel and Iran and lets the people decide their fate.

The colonialists left Iran to be a very big nation and not many small ones like they did with Arabs because they saw it as essential to prevent Sunni big bloc or empire in the region.

Just
Specially the part that arab defeat Israel .

Hard to believe that the arabs of the arabian peninsula a thousand years ago marched into persia and levelled the empire to the ground.

As a nation who were around for mare than several millennia we are well aware if the rise and fall of civilization many time we fall but each and every time again we rise again . only newer player of the game think they always be at top or fall of a civilization is something strange.

 

[Oublious]

THIS

We are all the same and thats Germanic language we are speaking so The is correct.

 

[Zhukov]

I don't understand why Saudi Arabia need anyone to Protect them at all. Is Iran even a Threat in case of a conventional war?.
They have NATO Standards Military. Look at their Massive Air force with no match in the region. All its GCC Allies are the same. And the Land Forces are equally matched as well.
What is this trend of comparing BRAVERY and VALIANCE of armies sitting behind the keyboard. Why do everyone is concluding that Saudi Army is coward? Have to fought and lost a major war?
And do you need courage to shot down a 70s era F5 or F14 with an F15 Strike Eagle? Those Pilots are professionally trained by Western Academies and Experts.

I think the real question is is KSA prepared to fight a non-conventional Cold war with Iran without full escalation? That is where KSA is weak and Iran is very strong. Ideologically Driven Militias carefully managed by Mammoth Organization like IRGC. Thats even Pain in the A** for Americans to handle. Iran is perfectly capable of inciting Unrest at Saudi Borders and even inside its borders. I doubt Saudis are capable of any such thing.

AND Pakistanis sitting behind Keyboard Supporting Either Kingdom of Saudi Arabia or Islamic Republic of Iran purely out of "Jazba Emani wa akhuwatte Millat" and Calling Saudi Forces Coward or Irani Forces Terrorists are just "Begani Shadi mei Abdullah Deewana"

 

[IFB]

A lot of pakistanis here post about how its all about men behind the weapon kinda posts...always believed that to be a hogwash...but was proved wrong by the saudis...even sri lanka will run over these incompetent saudis in half a day if it ever comes to that....these arabs are only good at slapping and abusing malnourished asian workers....some time back there was a report of slipper clad yemeni rebels over running some saudi army positions...now i believe that to be true as well.

 

[mohd497]

How a Saudi/Gulf-Iranian would play out, excluding what ignites such a war:

-Iranian, Iraqi, Lebanese, Yemeni strikes on Saudi Arabia and maybe UAE
-Saudi monarchy collapses but Saudi army fights on
-Invasion of Saudi via Iraq by Shia militias/volunteers from around world, maybe Iranian forces too
-Saudi civilian population not accustomed to war and has to organize/regroup, during this Saudis will be taking lots of casualties and losing ground
-Because no authority is left, calls for Jihad begin
-Arabs start with Israel before Iran, from the direction of Egypt, because Israel and the US will attack Arabs if they invade Iran
-Arabs defeat Israel, then head to Saudi Arabia to repel Shia invasion
-Arabs begin invading Iran, Iranians who say death to US and Israel, and accuse Arabs of being client stats of US, will make calls to US/European media/forums and beg them to come save them citing reasons such as if Iran fell an Sunni Caliphate will be established and they will invade Europe and subjugate minorities and how they are brothers in ideology and share common enemy(Sunni Muslims).

Ironically it is presence of Israel protecting Iran. If Arabs made an effort to invade Iran, they will be accussed of being ISIS and international coalition will invade much of Arab world. But Shia militias can invade Saudis no problem. Arabs have to deal with Israel first, which will deter any international coalition from intervening in the process of repelling Shia militias/Iran.



Israel/Nato/US are protecting Iran. If Arabs invade Iran whole of US/NATO/Israel and other coalition countries will invade from Arabs from behind to stop invasion of Iran. Because it will become Jihad fard if Saudi Arabia is invaded and the Saudi regime collapses. Lots of Muslims from Egypt, Tunisia, Morocco , Algeria will come to help the Saudis and they have to get through Israel first(via Egypt).

Because it also becomes jihad fard(organized, no ISIS like atrocities), it will still freak the world out that the Arabs will finally done with Israel and Iran and establish Sunni Caliphate so there is huge risk of international coalition invading Egypt(to help Israel) and maybe Syria/Iraq to help Iran and try preventing Sunni Caliphate from being established(even though Sunnis decide what they want and that's no one business).

So fighting Iran means fighting Israel, US and NATO and maybe other countries who help Iran. Unless Trump lets go of Israel and Iran and lets the people decide their fate.

The colonialists left Iran to be a very big nation and not many small ones like they did with Arabs because they saw it as essential to prevent Sunni big bloc or empire in the region.

Ye wala chars lena hai

 

[The Eagle]

A lot of pakistanis here post about how its all about men behind the weapon kinda posts...

And India never knew it nor see it coming? like, really. Don't be obsessed that much.