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The dubious value of nuclear weapons

India is quite literally the only reason why Pakistan has nukes, if India gets rid of its own nukes and stop becoming a security threat, you'll find that Pakistan would be far more willing to cooperate in denuclearization.
This is not correct actually. For Pakistan, nuclear weapons are critical for maintaining the power balance even on conventional scale.
Compared to India, Pakistan has much more requirement for possession of Nuclear weapons. For India, Nuclear weapons were matter of Prestige not a desperate measure for justifying its security requirements. For Pakistan however, nuclear weapons are some thing more than just 'tool of avoiding war' or 'tool of deterrence'. For us, Nuclear weapons are crucial element of national security, prestige and ideological cushion which later on offer us benefits at social and geopolitical levels.
The case for nuclear weapons is predicated on two assumptions. First, that they will deter war and yield a peace dividend. Second, that they will be accompanied by a reduction in spending on conventional weapons, and yield an economic dividend. Both are false.
His arguments are faulty,

First, Nuclear weapons compelled India & Pakistan to avoid expansion of Kargil conflict, settled down 2001-02 crisis, averted conflict in 2008 and even reduced Indian response to Uri attack to political levels, We have avoided four incidents which could have triggered war between both rivals and this happened only because of fear factor of Nuclear weapons.
Second, the notion that Nuclear weapons are meant to reduce expenditure on conventional forces is out dated and expired back in 70s. I don't know why he is mentioning this point in first place since conflict has become so complicated that it has reduced the impact of deterrence of nuclear weapons, particularly related to non state militancy and cyber warfare.

The dubious value of nuclear weapons
India and Pakistan are locked in a dilemma that is similar to the one faced by the two superpowers, but one fraught with greater danger. Their launch-to-target time is under five minutes


Ahmad Faruqui

FEBRUARY 5, 2018

The 20th anniversary of the nuclear tests in the subcontinent comes up in May. The case for nuclear weapons is predicated on two assumptions. First, that they will deter war and yield a peace dividend. Second, that they will be accompanied by a reduction in spending on conventional weapons, and yield an economic dividend. Both are false.

Writing in Foreign Affairs, Pakistan’s foreign secretary justified Pakistan’s decision to respond with six tests in response to India’s five by saying, “We restored the strategic balance and established nuclear deterrence. We have no doubt that our tests served the interest of peace and stability in South Asia.”

Yet, less than a year after the tests, Pakistan attacked Indian forces at Kargil, probably emboldened by the possession of nuclear weapons. After an initial success, the advance ran out of steam. India hit back hard. Pakistan withdrew its forces, on US urging.

That year also witnessed the shooting down of a Pakistani naval reconnaissance aircraft by India, the intensification of India’s counter insurgency operations in Kashmir, and the subsequent hijacking of an Indian airliner to Afghanistan by a militant Kashmiri group alleged to have ties with Pakistan.

General Musharraf has revealed that he had considered attacking India with nuclear weapons during the operation but the fear of Indian retaliation prevented him from doing so

It is now known that the situation was even more complicated. General Musharraf has revealed that he had considered attacking India with nuclear weapons during the operation but the fear of Indian retaliation prevented him from doing so [link]. So the fear of a nuclear retaliation prevented him from carrying out a first strike, but the fear of nuclear retaliation had not entered his mind when he launched the Kargil operation. He had simply assumed away the idea that India would carry out a first strike.

Two years later, terrorists mounted an attack on the Indian parliament. The war of words between the two countries escalated rapidly into a large-scale mobilisation of conventional forces. At its peak, a million troops were deployed across the international border. Stanford University held two conferences to find solutions to the dangerous impasse. US intelligence put the probability of a nuclear exchange at 50% and stated that it could kill 150 million people.

Seven years later, the Taj hotel in Mumbai was attacked by terrorists, once again leading to a dangerous war of words between the two nuclear powers and threats of retaliation.


Fearful of each other’s motives, the sibling adversaries continue to invest in advancing their nuclear arsenal. Pakistan has proudly added battlefield ballistic missiles to its inventory. And the prospect of a nuclear strike has now entered the rather impolite vocabulary of the threats that are routinely exchanged between the generals.

It has often been said that nuclear weapons prevented war from breaking out between the two superpowers during the Cold War. Yet no less an American hawk than Henry Kissinger said the two countries often behaved like ‘two heavily armed blind men feeling their way around a room, each believing himself in mortal peril from the other whom he assumes to have perfect vision… Each tends to ascribe to the other side a consistency, foresight and coherence that its own experience belies.’

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Each country produced warheads in excess of 10,000, enough to blow up the world’s population several times over. In the pursuit of elusive security, the United States spent $5.5 trillion, of which warheads accounted for only $0.5 trillion. The bulk of the money — a little over $3 trillion – was spent on delivery systems. Almost $1 trillion was spent on the associated command, control, communications and intelligence systems, and $1 trillion on ‘defending’ the warheads and delivery systems by housing them in underground shelters.

After he retired as the head of the US Strategic Command, which controls the nuclear arsenal and the associated delivery infrastructure, General George Lee Butler confessed that nuclear deterrence was not a force for stability but a catalyst for conflict. He said deterrence was ‘a formula for unmitigated catastrophe… premised on a litany of unwarranted assumptions, unprovable assertions and logical contradictions.’

Today, India and Pakistan are locked in a dilemma that is similar to the one faced by the two superpowers, but one fraught with greater danger. Their launch-to-target time is under five minutes.

A nuclear war cannot be ruled out. One day, India may tire of Pakistan’s proxy war in Kashmir, and invade Pakistan. Pakistan, unable to hold off a much larger Indian force, may hit Indian cities with nuclear missiles, inviting an Indian nuclear retaliation. And if Pakistan mistakes the firing of an Indian missile bearing a conventional warhead as a nuclear strike, that may trigger a nuclear war.

The second argument that is used to justify nuclear weapons is that they will yield a peace dividend, by serving as a substitute for expensive conventional weapons. Charles Glaser made that point in “Rational Theory of International Relations.” He argued that “by shifting the offense-defense balance heavily toward defense, nuclear weapons enable states that are much less powerful than their adversaries to satisfy their defense requirements and increase their security.”

Yet, in the year following the nuclear tests, India raised its conventional defense spending by 28 percent and Pakistan responded by raising its defense spending by 10 percent. Indeed, Ahsan Butt, in a paper published in Conflict, Security and Development, has shown that the peace dividend was not realised in the subcontinent. India continued to improve its conventional and nuclear arsenal and so did Pakistan. Nuclear weapons did not diminish the arms race in conventional arms.

It continues to drag on, spurred by Pakistan’s desires to wrest Kashmir from India through force and to acquire strategic depth in Afghanistan. And Pakistan also has to maintain its conventional forces to pursue its anti-separatist campaigns in Balochistan and anti-terrorism campaign in FATA.

But given the size of the Indian economy, it will never be able to match India’s conventional forces. That point comes out forcefully in a recent report by the Stimson Center, “Military Budgets in India and Pakistan.” It includes this very compelling graph.

The best way to deter war is to deal with the underlying conflict. As one studies Pakistan’s wars with India, it becomes apparent that all but one were fought over Kashmir and all were initiated by Pakistan.

Pakistan cannot solve the Kashmir problem through war. Even if it could, it is no longer clear Kashmiris want to join Pakistan. Once Pakistan calls off its military initiatives in Kashmir, it will find that it has also freed itself of the fear of an Indian invasion.

Those who think that India’s goal is to break-up Pakistan are raising a false alarm. India is in no position to do what it did in 1971. The whole of East Pakistan was up in arms against Pakistan after the myopic Operation Searchlight was launched by the Pakistan army. It fell to the Indian army in less than two weeks. India cannot risk attacking Pakistan today without provocation.

Michael Howard, the British strategist, noted, ‘Deterrence can no longer depend on the threat of a nuclear war, the costs of which would be grotesquely out of proportion to any conceivable benefits to be derived from engaging in it.”

The writer has written Rethinking the National Security of Pakistan. He can be reached at Ahmadfaruqui@gmail.com

Published in Daily Times, February 5th 2018.
Don't want insult the writer, but this piece of writing is naive and indicates the lack of understanding of Strategic affairs from writer side.
 
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This is not correct actually. For Pakistan, nuclear weapons are critical for maintaining the power balance even on conventional scale.
Compared to India, Pakistan has much more requirement for possession of Nuclear weapons. For India, Nuclear weapons were matter of Prestige not a desperate measure for justifying its security requirements. For Pakistan however, nuclear weapons are some thing more than just 'tool of avoiding war' or 'tool of deterrence'. For us, Nuclear weapons are crucial element of national security, prestige and ideological cushion which later on offer us benefits at social and geopolitical levels.
That assumes Pakistan has an offensive doctrine in place, when the reality is that Pakistan army is defensive by its very nature.

It has enough resources to deter Indian aggression, as it has in the past, before the nukes.

Let's not forget, Pakistan only detonated its own bombs AFTER India did.
 
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That assumes Pakistan has an offensive doctrine in place, when the reality is that Pakistan army is defensive by its very nature.
Pakistan has offensive doctrinal posture.
It has enough resources to deter Indian aggression, as it has in the past, before the nukes.
Pakistan no longer have capability to deter India based upon conventional forces only.
Let's not forget, Pakistan only detonated its own bombs AFTER India did.
It was need of that time. Nuclear thrests can be countered by Nuclear threats only
 
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If I were not a pacifist, I would say that 'Smiling Buddha' was our biggest strategic blunder.
Plenty of them out there; but my favorite is the much circulated myth on the grapevine regarding shastris offer to the dictator for giving up key areas of Kashmir (not jammu) for relinquishing the claim and some funds for Junagarh.
I really want to dig into the truth of this.
It seems too good to pass up for a timid man generally averse to conflict and prone to retreat.
 
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Plenty of them out there; but my favorite is the much circulated myth on the grapevine regarding shastris offer to the dictator for giving up key areas of Kashmir (not jammu) for relinquishing the claim and some funds for Junagarh.
I really want to dig into the truth of this.
It seems too good to pass up for a timid man generally averse to conflict and prone to retreat.

Well, I don't know if something got lost in translation, but there was a concrete proposal by Sardar Patel, somewhat on these lines. He pointed out that the situation in Kashmir was reversed in Hyderabad, and suggested that both states be allowed to choose by referendum. As you might imagine, given that Abdullah was outnumbered by the Muslim Conference of what is now Azad Kashmir, and that the Gilgit people were hostile to India to the core, and given that the vast majority of the Nizam's subjects were Hindus being driven up the wall by the leader of the Razakars, the outcome of this was predictable. I need to dig around to get validation.
 
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Well, I don't know if something got lost in translation, but there was a concrete proposal by Sardar Patel, somewhat on these lines. He pointed out that the situation in Kashmir was reversed in Hyderabad, and suggested that both states be allowed to choose by referendum. As you might imagine, given that Abdullah was outnumbered by the Muslim Conference of what is now Azad Kashmir, and that the Gilgit people were hostile to India to the core, and given that the vast majority of the Nizam's subjects were Hindus being driven up the wall by the leader of the Razakars, the outcome of this was predictable. I need to dig around to get validation.
Exactly. Some sort of old wives tale does exist on this barter deal and it does need some validation as one very good opportunity lost to either egos or vested interests to have prevented nuclear weapons in the first place.
 
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Exactly. Some sort of old wives tale does exist on this barter deal and it does need some validation as one very good opportunity lost to either egos or vested interests to have prevented nuclear weapons in the first place.

I will try to look it up. I have read about it several times, in usually reliable books, but never bothered to pin it down.

This, I think, was another chance lost beyond redemption. In Hyderabad, bloody deeds were done; in Kashmir, bloody deeds are being done.
 
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@Oscar

Got it! Actually, got them. Thanks to @jbgt90.

All available facts of history disprove Modi's claim that Patel could have secured a lasting and fully satisfactory solution to the Kashmir problem in 1947-48 itself. Indeed, far from wanting to get all of Kashmir for India, Patel was, initially, prepared to give away all of Kashmir to Pakistan. To know how, it is useful to listen to the unanimous voices of multiple historians. Rajmohan Gandhi in his biography "Patel: A Life", tells us that Patel was thinking of making an ideal bargain: if Jinnah let India have Junagadh and Hyderabad, Patel would not object to Kashmir acceding to Pakistan. He cites a speech by Patel at Bahauddin College in Junagadh, following the latter's merger with India, in which he said: "We would agree to Kashmir if they agreed to Hyderabad." (pages 407-8, 438)

Patel's other authoritative biographer Balraj Krishna writes in his book "Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel" - "But for Nehru, he could settle the Kashmir issue in no time by arranging that the Kashmir Valley go to Pakistan and East Pakistan to India. Both countries would benefit from such an arrangement." Why did he want such an arrangement? Citing a conversation on this matter between Dr Rajendra Prasad and Jayaprakash Narayan, he writes: "(According to the Sardar), when we had given away Punjab, Sind and NWFP, of what value could the small valley of Kashmir have for us?" (pages 163-4)

Let us turn to a third biographer, Dr Dinkar Joshi, a renowned Gujarati historian who is well known to Modi. On page 220 of his book "Sardar: The Sovereign Saint", Dr Joshi writes: "Sardar knew the reasons behind Maharaja Hari Singh's indecisiveness - the geographical and demographic conditions of Kashmir (it being a Muslim-majority state neighbouring West Pakistan). If Hari Singh decided to join Pakistan, Sardar had planned his own strategies - he would ask for Jammu and Ladakh for India and hand over Kashmir Valley to Pakistan."

This is corroborated by another acclaimed book "The Shadow of the Great Game - The Untold History of India's Partition" by Narendra Singh Sarila. The author writes (pages 343-4) that Mountbatten, the last viceroy, "told me many years later" - "I explained to HH (Hari Singh) that his choice was between acceding to India or Pakistan and made it clear that I had assurances from the Indian leaders that if he acceded to Pakistan, they would not take it amiss."

Who had given those assurances? Sarila writes: "According to VP Menon (an important civil servant, and Patel's right-hand man who played a critical role during India's partition and the integration of princely states) 'These assurances had been given by Sardar Patel, the Home Minister, himself.'"

The authenticity of this has been has been certified by none other than HV Seshadri, a former Number 2 in the RSS leadership hierarchy. In his book "The Tragic Story of Partition", Seshadri, quoting Menon, states that Patel had no objection to Kashmir going to Pakistan. (page 215)

If all this does not convince Modi and his followers, they would do well to turn to pages 186-7 of "The Biography of Bharat Kesri Dr Syama Prasad Mookerjee - With Modern Implications" by SC Das. Founder of the Bharatiya Jana Sangh, Mookerjee is, after all, a BJP icon. Das tells us that Patel was keen on giving Kashmir Valley to Pakistan in exchange for East Pakistan. More significantly, he writes: "There was consensus between Dr Mookerjee and India's Iron Man Sardar Patel on this grave issue."

Why did India's Loh Purush favour Kashmir's accession to Pakistan? Most historians attribute it to Patel's pragmatism. Unlike Nehru, he was not emotionally attached to Kashmir. He probably thought that a Muslim-majority state bordering Pakistan could become a source of trouble for India. At the same time, historians also record that after Pakistan tried to forcibly seize Jammu & Kashmir by sending armed invaders, Patel became an indefatigable crusader against Pakistan.
 
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@Oscar

Got it! Actually, got them. Thanks to @jbgt90.

All available facts of history disprove Modi's claim that Patel could have secured a lasting and fully satisfactory solution to the Kashmir problem in 1947-48 itself. Indeed, far from wanting to get all of Kashmir for India, Patel was, initially, prepared to give away all of Kashmir to Pakistan. To know how, it is useful to listen to the unanimous voices of multiple historians. Rajmohan Gandhi in his biography "Patel: A Life", tells us that Patel was thinking of making an ideal bargain: if Jinnah let India have Junagadh and Hyderabad, Patel would not object to Kashmir acceding to Pakistan. He cites a speech by Patel at Bahauddin College in Junagadh, following the latter's merger with India, in which he said: "We would agree to Kashmir if they agreed to Hyderabad." (pages 407-8, 438)

Patel's other authoritative biographer Balraj Krishna writes in his book "Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel" - "But for Nehru, he could settle the Kashmir issue in no time by arranging that the Kashmir Valley go to Pakistan and East Pakistan to India. Both countries would benefit from such an arrangement." Why did he want such an arrangement? Citing a conversation on this matter between Dr Rajendra Prasad and Jayaprakash Narayan, he writes: "(According to the Sardar), when we had given away Punjab, Sind and NWFP, of what value could the small valley of Kashmir have for us?" (pages 163-4)

Let us turn to a third biographer, Dr Dinkar Joshi, a renowned Gujarati historian who is well known to Modi. On page 220 of his book "Sardar: The Sovereign Saint", Dr Joshi writes: "Sardar knew the reasons behind Maharaja Hari Singh's indecisiveness - the geographical and demographic conditions of Kashmir (it being a Muslim-majority state neighbouring West Pakistan). If Hari Singh decided to join Pakistan, Sardar had planned his own strategies - he would ask for Jammu and Ladakh for India and hand over Kashmir Valley to Pakistan."

This is corroborated by another acclaimed book "The Shadow of the Great Game - The Untold History of India's Partition" by Narendra Singh Sarila. The author writes (pages 343-4) that Mountbatten, the last viceroy, "told me many years later" - "I explained to HH (Hari Singh) that his choice was between acceding to India or Pakistan and made it clear that I had assurances from the Indian leaders that if he acceded to Pakistan, they would not take it amiss."

Who had given those assurances? Sarila writes: "According to VP Menon (an important civil servant, and Patel's right-hand man who played a critical role during India's partition and the integration of princely states) 'These assurances had been given by Sardar Patel, the Home Minister, himself.'"

The authenticity of this has been has been certified by none other than HV Seshadri, a former Number 2 in the RSS leadership hierarchy. In his book "The Tragic Story of Partition", Seshadri, quoting Menon, states that Patel had no objection to Kashmir going to Pakistan. (page 215)

If all this does not convince Modi and his followers, they would do well to turn to pages 186-7 of "The Biography of Bharat Kesri Dr Syama Prasad Mookerjee - With Modern Implications" by SC Das. Founder of the Bharatiya Jana Sangh, Mookerjee is, after all, a BJP icon. Das tells us that Patel was keen on giving Kashmir Valley to Pakistan in exchange for East Pakistan. More significantly, he writes: "There was consensus between Dr Mookerjee and India's Iron Man Sardar Patel on this grave issue."

Why did India's Loh Purush favour Kashmir's accession to Pakistan? Most historians attribute it to Patel's pragmatism. Unlike Nehru, he was not emotionally attached to Kashmir. He probably thought that a Muslim-majority state bordering Pakistan could become a source of trouble for India. At the same time, historians also record that after Pakistan tried to forcibly seize Jammu & Kashmir by sending armed invaders, Patel became an indefatigable crusader against Pakistan.

Busted.

Cheers, Doc
 
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Busted.

Cheers, Doc

Good, wasn't it? There's too much of this Modi-sycophancy going around. Although I have to admit - and you know how painful this is to say - he is making a difference with his foreign trips. A small difference.
 
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Good, wasn't it? There's too much of this Modi-sycophancy going around. Although I have to admit - and you know how painful this is to say - he is making a difference with his foreign trips. A small difference.

That was excellent. Goes to show you that history is often different than images.

Should have struck a deal but the work load for both new states was such a mess and was so great and nobody thought that one day the nascent states of India and Pakistan would be end up becoming two professional and lethal armies with nuclear weapons and top tech killing each other on the most senseless of conflicts called the LOC.

Nobody could have saw that coming and both states had way too much f a mess to deal with. Borders, deals, old treaties, princely states, administrative mess.

The thing is that we of the current generation need to showcase maturity and far sightedness bcz i won't call our founding fathers short sighted. They had too much to deal with.

I would call our current crop short sighted bcz we have seen where this conflict is going and we have seen its fruitless nature and we have seen the negative effects its having and we have seen the escalation. We need to solve this and if we fail then future generations can and very deservingly so call us short sighted.
 
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That was excellent. Goes to show you that history is often different than images.

Should have struck a deal but the work load for both new states was such a mess and was so great and nobody thought that one day the nascent states of India and Pakistan would be end up becoming two professional and lethal armies with nuclear weapons and top tech killing each other on the most senseless of conflicts called the LOC.

Nobody could have saw that coming and both states had way too much f a mess to deal with. Borders, deals, old treaties, princely states, administrative mess.

The thing is that we of the current generation need to showcase maturity and far sightedness bcz i won't call our founding fathers short sighted. They had too much to deal with.

I would call our current crop short sighted bcz we have seen where this conflict is going and we have seen its fruitless nature and we have seen the negative effects its having and we have seen the escalation. We need to solve this and if we fail then future generations can and very deservingly so call us short sighted.

That's it.

The Government of Pakistan was sitting on packing cases, using thorns as paper clips. Where did they have the time? Everything had to be created, invented, put together like yesterday, and that too in the teeth of treacherous, self-seeking people like Ghulam Mohammed who took every opportunity that presented itself in these unsettled times to establish his own personal power-agenda. Or Iskander Mirza, who got the exile he so richly deserved, but not before delivering Pakistan to the first military dictatorship.

The GoI also had tonnes to do. Refugees, getting a grip on a very superior bureaucracy that thought no end of itself, an Army that was disciplined and good but that they feared as a source of evil, the very anti-thesis of ahimsa, more than a dozen states, all run under the good old Government of India Act 1935, clamouring for attention.....

Phew.
 
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That's it.

The Government of Pakistan was sitting on packing cases, using thorns as paper clips. Where did they have the time? Everything had to be created, invented, put together like yesterday, and that too in the teeth of treacherous, self-seeking people like Ghulam Mohammed who took every opportunity that presented itself in these unsettled times to establish his own personal power-agenda. Or Iskander Mirza, who got the exile he so richly deserved, but not before delivering Pakistan to the first military dictatorship.

The GoI also had tonnes to do. Refugees, getting a grip on a very superior bureaucracy that thought no end of itself, an Army that was disciplined and good but that they feared as a source of evil, the very anti-thesis of ahimsa, more than a dozen states, all run under the good old Government of India Act 1935, clamouring for attention.....

Phew.

That's right both nations were a mess which was expected of nascent states of extreme geography and land mass comprising of masses and ethnicities of different nature.

However now and today is a very different story. Rather than trying to figure out how to outmanuvre India's ABM system or how to stop pakstan's missile barrage, both nations should be expending energy on how to end the Kashmir issue. We don't have the plethora of excuses our forefathers had and we certainly see where this conflict is heading which is either nowhere or to the mutual destruction of both states. There is no happy ending for one in this conflict.
Someone somewhere has to say enough is enough.

Well I don't think it will happen in this generation but maybe in the next. After we are all gone.
 
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