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The Dance of the Bear and Crane: Japan Wants to Sign a Peace Treaty With Russia After 70 Years

The time when Japan kicks US out of its country and close their military bases will be the day that Russian and Japanese relations can be really improved.

Do you really think that despite our smiles at our American friends that we want them in Japan forever? Of course not. It takes legislative will. This year's Collective Self Defense Bill and the change on our Constitution was the very context we needed , to abridge our post war position. Anyways, it is the Americans who have only recently demanded our JSDF , particularly our JMSDF to take a more greater role in the pacific. This illustrates the strain in logistics for the Americans that they are now requiring Japan to take up a greater role.

America's demand for a more pro-active Japan --- that is exactly what Japan has been looking for to legitimize her rise in the global order for these past 7 decades now.

Afterall, Japan is the inheritor of the Japanese Empire. We are still the same nation, after all. :)

The time when Japan kicks US out of its country and close their military bases will be the day that Russian and Japanese relations can be really improved. Japanese Russian relations are subject to where Japanese and US relationship goes.

Chinese resurgence et al, this is all what we need to further legitimize our rise and to totally revise our constitution. Next, we will request the Americans to leave. This will happen immediately after Japan becomes nuclear armed.

Trust me, this will come to pass. Then we all can rest assure in ... peace.
 
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Japan, after 70 years, virtually are still under US occupation and indirect rule, what a shame, the country's biggest enemy is US ,not any other countries, the nation should rise up and shake off the US yoke.
 
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Crimea was heavily populated by Russians, whose alliance has always been to Moscow and not Kiev. If you have read up on the history of Ukraine you would know that long ago Crimea was given to Ukraine during Soviet times explicitly to Russify them and as appeasement for the Holodomor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You can see it quite clearly, it is also why there is also an insurgency in Dunbass.
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Northern Territories, on the other hand are sparsely populated by a few military bases, and Japan has high population density. It is unlikely that Russia can continue to hold onto the territory and develop it without having ethnic Japanese people start to live there in large numbers, unlike Crimea. It is a lose-lose scenario for them. Much better to make a major deal now when they desperately need the cash. Russia did the same with Alaska too, you know.
Russia has fought for Crimea many times. It is the geopolitical importance that is crucial.
The northern territories are as important as this now. Russia used to want to take Chinese North East for access to pacific. But it was too difficult with high population of Chinese. After many failed tries, it gave up and chose the Sakhalin-Northern Territories /Hokkaido route. After hundreds of years of endeavors. Soviet finally established a route to Pacific with WW II. Without US help, Hokkaido would become part of Soviet/Russia. No way for Russia to give it up.
 
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Japan, after 70 years, virtually are still under US occupation and indirect rule, what a shame, the country's biggest enemy is US ,not any other countries, the nation should rise up and shake off the US yoke.

Well, to play as devil's advocate here , we have ourselves to blame for that, don't we? Afterall it was the Japanese Empire that started the war, i mean, our invasion of China and imperialistic meddling wasn't a small thing was it. Nor was our attack on the American Pacific Fleet very ... friendly? Yes? We allowed ourselves to be overstretched, we allowed ourselves to fight in 10 directions. So our 'occupation' by the Americans was a result of the global war against Japan some 70 years ago.

I don't disagree with any westerner or Sino activist in the dissemination of Japanese war time cruelty, sure , that they were happening. The issue that many Japanese progressive minded folks like myself want is to move forward from that historical reality and to enable a position for Japan to catapult herself in proportion to her economic might. No longer as a post-war nation that is forced to host American military bases for the sake of maintaining the 'world order'.

That's all.
 
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Polls show that average Japanese people love US and hate China and Korea, But how can a country love someone who dropped 2 atomic bombs and killed tens of thousands their civilians ?Stockholm Syndrome??
 
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Do you really think that despite our smiles at our American friends that we want them in Japan forever? Of course not. It takes legislative will. This year's Collective Self Defense Bill and the change on our Constitution was the very context we needed , to abridge our post war position. Anyways, it is the Americans who have only recently demanded our JSDF , particularly our JMSDF to take a more greater role in the pacific. This illustrates the strain in logistics for the Americans that they are now requiring Japan to take up a greater role.

America's demand for a more pro-active Japan --- that is exactly what Japan has been looking for to legitimize her rise in the global order for these past 7 decades now.

Afterall, Japan is the inheritor of the Japanese Empire. We are still the same nation, after all. :)



Chinese resurgence et al, this is all what we need to further legitimize our rise and to totally revise our constitution. Next, we will request the Americans to leave. This will happen immediately after Japan becomes nuclear armed.

Trust me, this will come to pass. Then we all can rest assure in ... peace.
Japan wants to end the occupation, but it is choosing a dangerous road. What Japan was doing is simply learning from Chairman Mao. When PRC was founded in 1949, many parts of China were occupied by Soviet due to WW II, such as Northeast, Xinjiang and inner Mongolia. Mao took the chance of Korean War to defend Chinese sovereignty. Chinese armies demonstrated their abilities in Korean wars. Only after that, Soviet gave back to China full soverighty of Northeast, Xingjiang and Inner Mongolia.

Clearly Japan wants a war in SCS or Taiwan to do exact same thing. This will definitely drive China and Japan into another war.
 
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Recent poll shows Japanese people view America positively in the mid 50 percent range.

Japan wants to end the occupation, but it is choosing a dangerous road. What Japan was doing is simply learning from Chairman Mao. When PRC was founded in 1949, many parts of China were occupied by Soviet due to WW II, such as Northeast, Xinjiang and inner Mongolia. Mao took the chance of Korean War to defend Chinese sovereignty. Chinese armies demonstrated their abilities in Korean wars. Only after that, Soviet gave back to China full soverighty of Northeast, Xingjiang and Inner Mongolia.

Clearly Japan wants a war in SCS or Taiwan to do exact same thing. This will definitely drive China and Japan into another war.

Of course Japan wants Amercan troops out of Japan. However at the same time the argument of 'How can Japan love Americans when they dropped 2 atomic bombs on Japan' is moot to begin with. First of, Japan was at war with America; in fact it was not just war, it was TOTAL WAR. It was a clash of civilizations; the Japanese Empire and the Anglosphere.

They (Americans) imposed themselves on Japan because Japan was severely broken in that war. A war that, unfortunately, we started.

So, that has to be understood. Japan now has the difficult position of calculating a way out of this quagmire of a maze.

Regards.
 
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Sorry it's not gonna be possible when Putin is in power. Japan wanna compromise to Russia and concentrate on confronting with China. In my opinion, Japan don't even stand a chance when China is strong and powerful. So don't waste your time on it, Putin don't buy it. He will not give the so called north territory back to Japan, never. To be honest, Russia and Japan are natural enemy when Japan plot to expand. If Japan just stay there, there is no conflict.
 
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Russia has fought for Crimea many times. It is the geopolitical importance that is crucial.
The northern territories are as important as this now. Russia used to want to take Chinese North East for access to pacific. But it was too difficult with high population of Chinese. After many failed tries, it gave up and chose the Sakhalin-Northern Territories /Hokkaido route. After hundreds of years of endeavors. Soviet finally established a route to Pacific with WW II. Without US help, Hokkaido would become part of Soviet/Russia. No way for Russia to give it up.

Maybe not today, but as you mentioned, it is difficult to occupy and annex heavily populated land. Russia Far East is sparsely populated and will remain so until it is economically developed. They can't do that without Japanese help, which could be given for say, half of the Kuril Island chain including the islands that they want the most. In exchange Japan could promise say, $100 billion of investment and loans into the entire Russia Far East region, thereby cementing Russia's position in the area permanently and preventing any sort of population subversion from their Southern Neighbors who view Outer Manchuria as long lost territory.

If you ask me it is a good deal, as I don't see that part of the world remaining without conflict in the long-term future.
 
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Recent poll shows Japanese people view America positively in the mid 50 percent range.



Of course Japan wants Amercan troops out of Japan. However at the same time the argument of 'How can Japan love Americans when they dropped 2 atomic bombs on Japan' is moot to begin with. First of, Japan was at war with America; in fact it was not just war, it was TOTAL WAR. It was a clash of civilizations; the Japanese Empire and the Anglosphere.

They (Americans) imposed themselves on Japan because Japan was severely broken in that war. A war that, unfortunately, we started.

So, that has to be understood. Japan now has the difficult position of calculating a way out of this quagmire of a maze.

Regards.
There is no Japan 'empire' at all.when you talking empire, it is always China. There was Japanese nazi not empire.
 
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Japan's plan is very clear that taking advantage of USA to kill China and restores brutal ruling in Asia. It's plan are naked. As long as China and Russia are there, Japan won't succeed. As to yankees,they are sleeping with a danger they don't even aware of.

Japan Nazi thinks their tiny island with shrinking population is an empire, then this world has tens of Supa Powas.
A peaceful Japan is very welcomed in China, cause we don't have any interests in you lands. China knows Japan as much as you know us, we had been dealing with other thousands years.

Japan Nazi thinks their tiny island with shrinking population is an empire, then this world has tens of Supa Powas.
I've got to admit that Japan has power, but not that kind can kill China.its tiny territory and limited resource determine it can't stand a long lasting war with China. It is born to be so. If it can't kill China when we are weak and I'll, then just forget about it.

When China and Russia cooperates, all the enemies combine can't defeat us, just like what happened Korean War.

Maybe not today, but as you mentioned, it is difficult to occupy and annex heavily populated land. Russia Far East is sparsely populated and will remain so until it is economically developed. They can't do that without Japanese help, which could be given for say, half of the Kuril Island chain including the islands that they want the most. In exchange Japan could promise say, $100 billion of investment and loans into the entire Russia Far East region, thereby cementing Russia's position in the area permanently and preventing any sort of population subversion from their Southern Neighbors who view Outer Manchuria as long lost territory.

If you ask me it is a good deal, as I don't see that part of the world remaining without conflict in the long-term future.
If you invest 100 billions, we will invest 200 billions. Whatever you try...military or economy.

The premise is that you have to get orders from Yankees first before you get too close with Russians.

As Japan is obviously siding with USA in Syria conflict, do you think Putin will take Abe seriously as a counterpart for negotiation. Let us put it simply, can Abe make the final decision whatever he likes without asking USA permissi first?! Hell no
 
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The northern territories should be relinquished , in the name of national and interregional collaboration. The same also with the Liancourt rocks issue that Japan and South Korea is bringing to close. Now that Abe has majority support of the Diet, Japan can now make th enecessary moves to secure relations. Better yet, to move relations forward.

99% of the Japanese will never accepted that including the hardliner and nationalist that support Abe. Northern Territories are historically Japanese for many centuries. Many Japanese lived on that islets for many centuries only to be chase out by Russia after WWII.

What you are saying is selling off the Japan history and Japanese. Thats equal to treason. No true Japanese will accept that.
 
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99% of the Japanese will never accepted that including the hardliner and nationalist that support Abe. Northern Territories are historically Japanese for many centuries. Many Japanese lived on that islets for many centuries only to be chase out by Russia after WWII.

What you are saying is selling off the Japan history and Japanese. Thats equal to treason. No true Japanese will accept that.
I think he is joking?
 
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99% of the Japanese will never accepted that including the hardliner and nationalist that support Abe. Northern Territories are historically Japanese for many centuries. Many Japanese lived on that islets for many centuries only to be chase out by Russia after WWII.

What you are saying is selling off the Japan history and Japanese. Thats equal to treason. No true Japanese will accept that.

It is no longer Japanese 'territory' since it is not governed by Japan, nor are there any Japanese citizens there, anymore. When the Soviet Union assumed control of Sakhalin Island as well as the southern Kuril Islands, the first thing they did was eject all Japanese citizens who lived there. Those who did not leave merely swore allegiance to Russia , hence they are now Russian citizens as well. Most of the Japanese citizens who did leave that territory are now settled in Greater Hokkaido region or have moved to Honshu (as most of the Japanese immigration to the nothern territories were folks from Honshu).

In fact as an ethnic Ainu Japanese myself, I have closer relations to the Nivinkh ethnic group as well as Ainu ethnics living in Sakhalin than southern Japanese from Shikoku , Kyushu or Honshu. Shikoku and Kyushu folks are more Chinese Han than they are Ainu or Jomon anyways. Northern Japanese like myself are closer to Far East Asian ethnics from Russia like the Buryats, Nivinkh , Ainu since we share the same oral history, same shaman culture, same hunting folklore and even dialectics.

99% of the Japanese will never accepted that including the hardliner and nationalist that support Abe. Northern Territories are historically Japanese for many centuries. Many Japanese lived on that islets for many centuries only to be chase out by Russia after WWII.

For centuries? My friend the 'Japanese' colonizers of Kuril islands and southern Sakhalin were not Yayoi southerners (whom my kind refer to as similar to Chinese) , but were colonized by Northern Japanese Ainu like myself. It has always been the Northern Japanese that have had millenial contact with the Buryats, the Nivenkh. Long before the Bakufu brought Hokkaido to bear under the orbit of the Japanese Empire, long have my kind lived and fished the waters there for thousands of years.

99% of the Japanese will never accepted that including the hardliner and nationalist that support Abe.

Where is this 99% you are getting from? Where is the poll? Most Japanese are central-leaning and the Uyoku Dantai (right wing extremists) are a small minority of the population. Abe is a politician and in order to consolidate his power he has to accomodate the wishes of the majority of the Japanese people, or else they won't be elected, and Abe won't receive confident vote that he needs to make necessary changes to the :
  1. constitution
  2. electorate system
  3. tax reform
So the political economy of Japan is not so basilar as you have described, rather, it is complex and is composed of inter-factional dynamics stemming due to the various political interests in Japanese politics. We have, afterall, segments of the population that are communists, socialists, republicans, monarchists , some who view Russian relations as imperative, some who view relations with America as imperative, some who view relations with China as imperative, and others who view taking advantage of all three China, Russia and America to advance Japanese interests (he he he). :)

I believe that ultimately Japan will settle the territory issue with Russia. Its not so much an issue with Japanese will to end this dispute with Russia , but Washington's protestations and stressing the importance of "Japan walking the line with the global alliance mechanism".
 
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