The Dance of the Bear and Crane: Japan Wants to Sign a Peace Treaty With Russia After 70 Years

[Abacin]

There is a new paradigm here for Japan and Russia to join hands together; let us build Sakhalin TOGETHER.

Living space ? Japan's population is decreasing, there is no need for 'living space', and besides, we don't need to conquer lands anymore to extract natural resources.

Japan secures natural resources through our trade with the world. Economics solves everything, my friend.

Gone are the days of unnecessary , unchecked imperialistic notions. Russia is clearly a natural partner of Japan's.

I mean even the native people of Sakhalin are kin to my ethnic group, the Ainu Japanese.

Sakhalin Ainu

Japan could have a good living since Japan got industrialized earlier than Asian countries and could use the whole East Asia 's resources. Since the Rise of China and Korea, Japanese control of Asian resources have greatly reduced. This is the origin of the Japanese economic crisis. With fewer resources, Japanese have to cut their birth and have population decreased. Just look at Abe's bills. If japan has more living space, he could cut the energy and resources bills a lot. Then Japanese economy could improve very quickly. Most wars are about living spaces and resources.

 

[Aepsilons]

Anyways, i'm happy to see how the Russian Federation have preserved the identity of my ethnic kin, the Nivkh and Ainu in Sakhalin. They speak a language that is very similar to my own.

Far Eastern Russians are KIN to Japanese, afterall.

@vostok

If Japan could buy oil/gas from Russia it will save a lot on transport and build a good relationship. Infact India can buy Japans contracted oil in middleast and Russia could sell Indian contracts to Japan. It will be a win-win for both the countries. Indian being friendly with both countries can stand as good guarantor to ensure stability for fuel supply.

My friend, it is not posted in western media because it is contrary to American-design to contan Russia. However, Japan has already various projects in Sakhalin and Kamchatkya and rest of Far Eastern Russia. As for oil and gas, my friend, we are on the final stages of building an oil pipeline that will connect Sakhalin to Greater Hokkaido.

 

[Abacin]

Russia is at a critical moment. If it wants to improve the economy, it need to collaborate with the East Asia to develop the Far East. But the development of Far East will make people over there more connected to East Asia and disintegrate from Moscow. With the historical connections of Far East to East Asia, these may draw the breakup of the Russia Federation, together with Muslims in Mid-Russia. Russia occupies large lands, but not enough people to solidify the occupation.

 

[Aepsilons]

Russia is at a critical moment. If it wants to improve the economy, it need to collaborate with the East Asia to develop the Far East. But the development of Far East will make people over there more connected to East Asia and disintegrate from Moscow. With the historical connections of Far East to East Asia, these may draw the breakup of the Russia Federation, together with Muslims in Mid-Russia. Russia occupies large lands, but not enough people to solidify the occupation.

What? You are asinine for thinking that. Development of the Far East will, ultimately, strengthen Moscow's economic solvency and independence from the West as it will secure her to Japan , the third largest economy in the world. Japan, as an energy-dependent nation, will have her energy needs provided for by Russia. Russia and Japan, truly, complement each other.

Besides, ultimately, I believe that the relations between Moscow and Tokyo will help Japan slowly distance herself from Washington and ultimately have the Americans leave Japan totally.

In the quest for national harmony, we must take advantage of every single stone, and never allow to leave a stone un-turned.

 

[Abacin]

Russia is very similar to its orthodox origin, Eastern Roman Empire. It competes with Europe and America just as the competition of Eastern Roman Empire and Western Roman Empire. The competition among Roman empires and the challenge from Islam finally crippled Eastern Roman Empire. Similarly for today's Russia. Culturally Russia is significantly different from East Asia. Europe and America are trying their best to weaken Russia. How to avoid its ancestor's fate remains the top priorities.

 

[ganesh623]

Peace treaty between russia and japan, will raise lot of eyebrows in china.

 

[Abacin]

What? You are asinine for thinking that. Development of the Far East will, ultimately, strengthen Moscow's economic solvency and independence from the West as it will secure her to Japan , the third largest economy in the world. Japan, as an energy-dependent nation, will have her energy needs provided for by Russia. Russia and Japan, truly, complement each other.

Besides, ultimately, I believe that the relations between Moscow and Tokyo will help Japan slowly distance herself from Washington and ultimately have the Americans leave Japan totally.

In the quest for national harmony, we must take advantage of every single stone, and never allow to leave a stone un-turned.

You are still naive since Japan has limited cooperation with Russia. China and Russia has been developing the far east together for more than two decades. There are many reports that this weakens Russian rule of the far east since the far east runs many things centered around china's North East. People plan economical activities according to Chinese north-east, not Moscow. The imbalance of population and the distance to Moscow complicate everything.

 

[Aepsilons]

Hmmm, Russia is a federation of many republics, not just one 'country'. In fact even there is a Jewish Republic in the Russian Federation; that's how vast Russia is. Russian Federation is like , how to best say this....an empire, yes, that is what she is. Russian Federation is an empire composed of various smaller republics that ultimately are autonomous on their own right. So the republics in the east are their own, they have their own ethnic language, with Russian Language as the lingua franca to communicate with the rest of the republics and with Moscow.

The equation of Russia as being Orthodox is a bit outdated and unaccurate since there are various faiths in the Russian Federation; Orthodoxy, Buddhism, Shamanism, Islam, etc.

You are still naive since Japan has limited cooperation with Russia. China and Russia has been developing the far east together for more than two decades. There are many reports that this weakens Russian rule of the far east since the far east runs many things centered around china's North East. People plan economical activities according to Chinese north-east, not Moscow. The imbalance of population and the distance to Moscow complicate everything.

Not naive at all, as i have a very strong working knowledge of Russo-Japanese ties and have published articles on this paradigm. Your command on Russo-Japanese partnerships is very weak, i must say, evidenced by your weak comprehension on the matter even in the first page of this thread.

I encourage you to read more to alleviate this comprehension weakness.


Regards.

Peace treaty between russia and japan, will raise lot of eyebrows in china.

Well, naturally. But perhaps this can be a modus operandi for the Chinese legation to change their posture with us.

 

[Abacin]

Peace treaty between russia and japan, will raise lot of eyebrows in china.

Not very much at least in short term. In short term, China wants more Russian involvement in East Asia to weaken US dominance. While US has to spend more endeavors to balance East Asia, time for China to solidify South China Sea and even unify Taiwan. This is the strategical support Russia is giving to China, not like weapons as to India.

Of course, Russia is using these opportunities to shift to Far East. Without Chinese support, the development of Far east is just a joke. China and Russia simply balance the far east and mid-Asia. In Far east, China is dominant and Russia gets many benefits; while in mid-Asia, Russia is dominant and China get many benefits. Also China's main goals are in SCS and Taiwan while Russia's main goals are in Europe. These strategic setups enables China-Russia good relations, even though historically China doesn't not have good relations with Russia because we are competitors both in Far east and Mid-Asia.

Hmmm, Russia is a federation of many republics, not just one 'country'. In fact even there is a Jewish Republic in the Russian Federation; that's how vast Russia is. Russian Federation is like , how to best say this....an empire, yes, that is what she is. Russian Federation is an empire composed of various smaller republics that ultimately are autonomous on their own right. So the republics in the east are their own, they have their own ethnic language, with Russian Language as the lingua franca to communicate with the rest of the republics and with Moscow.

The equation of Russia as being Orthodox is a bit outdated and unaccurate since there are various faiths in the Russian Federation; Orthodoxy, Buddhism, Shamanism, Islam, etc.



Not naive at all, as i have a very strong working knowledge of Russo-Japanese ties and have published articles on this paradigm. Your command on Russo-Japanese partnerships is very weak, i must say, evidenced by your weak comprehension on the matter even in the first page of this thread.

I encourage you to read more to alleviate this comprehension weakness.


Regards.



Well, naturally. But perhaps this can be a modus operandi for the Chinese legation to change their posture with us.

Japan-Russia relations are much weaker than China-Russia relations. China-Russia trades are much bigger than Japan-Russia trades. There are many Chinese in Russia while many Russians in China. Many Russians in far east have been used to go to Southern China for the winter. In Chinese north east, inter-marriages between Chinese and Russian are very common now.

 

[beijingwalker]

Obvious, as long as Japan is in US fold and serves as a US paw. Japanese Russian relations can never be changed fundamentally

 

[Aepsilons]

I think the working term @ganesh623 is "strategic ambiguity" when in regards to Russo-Japanese relations in context to Sino-Russian affairs. It is part of the balance that prevents either party from dominating the other. The one that will, ultimately, loose out if Japan is build a strong foundation with Russia will be the Americans.

So on that aspect, expect a strong American opposition to planned Russo-Japanese intercommensurability. BUT, i have a feeling that the Americans will be forced to concede for the Host nation benefit she has asked Japan to give, ergo, the development of a new military base in Okinawa.

The grip America has had on Japan is slipping away, and as a Japanese patriot --- this is a good thing. This is a necessary progression of Japanese rise. Next, we must enhance our nuclear weapons development , which the Russians are willing to collaborate with us.

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[Jai Bharat]

Russia would fight for Crimea. They would fight for the Northern Territories too. Both are strategically important to Russia. One for Black Sea and one for Pacific.

Crimea was heavily populated by Russians, whose alliance has always been to Moscow and not Kiev. If you have read up on the history of Ukraine you would know that long ago Crimea was given to Ukraine during Soviet times explicitly to Russify them and as appeasement for the Holodomor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You can see it quite clearly, it is also why there is also an insurgency in Dunbass.

Northern Territories, on the other hand are sparsely populated by a few military bases, and Japan has high population density. It is unlikely that Russia can continue to hold onto the territory and develop it without having ethnic Japanese people start to live there in large numbers, unlike Crimea. It is a lose-lose scenario for them. Much better to make a major deal now when they desperately need the cash. Russia did the same with Alaska too, Alaska Purchase - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Abacin]

You see Chinese working everywhere in Russia and also Russians work

Obvious, as long as Japan is in US fold and serves as a US paw. Japanese Russian relations can never be changed fundamentally

Far east is the most critical area in this world. The world's top 3 military powers are here and top 3 economic powers are here, the world's top 4 largest countries are here. To play well here, you need to think very and very strategically. Unfortunately Japan has never been a good strategic player. While South Korea enjoys good relations with China, USA and Russia; Japan has none, even for USA, Japan is always forced to do ordered by USA with the sacrifice of Japanese interests.

 

[Aepsilons]

Japan-Russia relations are much weaker than China-Russia relations. China-Russia trades are much bigger than Japan-Russia trades. There are many Chinese in Russia while many Russians in China. Many Russians in far east have been used to go to Southern China for the winter. In Chinese north east, inter-marriages between Chinese and Russian are very common now.

Ask yourself if the Russians really want to rely totally on China? You and I know the answer to that rhetorical question. This is the very reason why Moscow has asked Japan to fund various projects in the Far East, well before China. Anyways, i think i'm only revealing the obvious here.


Regards.

 

[beijingwalker]

The time when Japan kicks US out of its country and close their military bases will be the day that Russian and Japanese relations can be really improved. Japanese Russian relations are subject to where Japanese and US relationship goes.