The biggest error in Pakistans history

[Wrath]

Tell me what is "darker".

Sharia Islamic Law Emirate

"Democratic" "Secular" "Nation"

That's how you do it buddy . Great reply

 

[Wrath]

No . No one will enslave you for being Pakistani . There is a difference between Pakistan and India . Where People get slaughtered even by touching a cow .

 

[Wrath]

It seems entire Pakistan is the best place for women to live without exploitation.

Talk to a wall dude.

Well if you wanna debate on women then first go settle your problems in your country about women . Becoz if you wanna start an argument on this , it ain't gonna go anywhere

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

So I take it the verdict is unanimous. @mshahiddev is an Indian false flagger.

 

[Sheena1980]

Muslims are indeed the best handlers of Women. History and stats prove this. A women has a much better lifestyle in Islamic Country than any other country in the world. One should look into the virtually ZERO statistics of rape in Islamic Sharia countries like Saudi Arabia and Gulf countries. Can you say the same for India or America?

so says the citizen of a country infamous as the rape capital of the world and the most dangerous place in the world for women, aka india!
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ab chal ja bhag!

Jokers keep lying blatantly to defend their faith ignoring truth even if everybody knows it. How can people make such blunt claims without flinching. Unbelievable

Shameless people keep glorifying Islam & Muslims even if facts are right in front of eyes they will have no toungue to speak of atrocities, but no shame if it’s India to go on & on. Barely any Muslims have spine to talk or raise these issues & they come & talk about how horrible India is. In India women can work, drive, dance, sing, party. They can marry anyone, convert religion & report rape or any injustice without fear, etc.

Even outsiders get justice in India. If this was in Pakistan, nobody will dare to report it, nor Gov.t will disclose it. This is difference between slaves & respectful people. Nobody is above law in India.

Zero statistics, If somebody reports they are behind bars or targeted in Islamic countries. Before glorifying your people, go look at statistics. I can give you posts of how inhuman a person can be, which you would never hear anywhere else in any other community. You people have no guts to talk or hear truth only fake glorifying. If somebody show you reality they are threatened or silenced.

 

[War Thunder]

Pakistan can live without Kashmir. Though unfortunate to say, as Kashmir is probably the most beautiful place on earth. It is not strategically important. I think the welfare of the state and its people is far more important then the expansion of territory.

You're stupid and retarded if this is what you think.
Just another false flagger acting to be something you're not?
Or just too high on the juice of ignorance all thanks to being fully dependent on the official sources of information AKA indoctrination?
Welfare of which people? The people who are citizens of the state or the people we have been giving hopes of supporting through out, and who depend on us to see a better tomorrow some day.

Guess what though, you are just another attention seeker who has to show two US flags to feel important. Jumping in with a deluded mindset that lacks the factual and intellectual grip on what its talking about, and believes it knowns everything till you jumped into a thread and got flammed.

Grow up and come with a mindset of learning instead of "knowing it all" and seeking attention by portraying to be "important" and something you are not.
Put your country flag with your name, before I can take you for real and a legitimate person who is not another "wannabe".

 

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Jokers keep lying to defend their faith ignoring truth even if everybody knows it. Still people can make such blunt claims without flinching.

Shameless people keep glorifying Islam & Muslims even if facts are right in front of eyes they will have no toungue but no shame if it’s India. Barely any Muslims have spine to talk or raise these issues & they come & talk about how horrible India is. In India women can work, drive, dance, sing party. They can marry anyone, convert religion & report rape or any injustice without fear.

Even outsiders get justice in India. If this was in Pakistan, nobody will dare to report it, nor Gov.t will disclose it. This is difference between slaves & respectful people. Nobody is above law in India.

Zero statistics, If somebody reports they are behind bars or targeted in Islamic countries. Before glorifying your people, go look at statistics. I can give you post of how inhuman a person can be which you would never hear anywhere else in any other community. You people have no guts to talk or hear truth only fake glorifying. If somebody show you reality they are threatened or silenced.

A Google search of "India rape" is enough. Indian rapers let go with a slap on the wrist. No wonder so many serial rapists are on the loose in Delhi, Chennai, Bombay. It is a reported fact. I don't want to get in detail.

Sharia Law has a much better overall stoppage of crime than any other law system in the world!

 

[Talwar e Pakistan]

The replies here are really appalling; instead of bringing up scholarly arguments; we have resorted to nasty personal attacks.

Now back to the OP's point; I don't believe that establishing "Shariah law" was our biggest error - it was actually quite the contrary. Zia's push for the "Islamisation" of Pakistan decimated ethno-nationalism and much of ethno-politics; as "Muslim" began to become synonymous with the Pakistani identity - our country was greatly united as our national identity was molded.

Our greatest error in my opinion was not curbing population growth during the 1970's.

 

[ali_raza]

biggest error was letting iranians honey trap our elites.
which resulted in bringing bhutto which resulted 65 war after which we lost our progress speed later the same snake broke our country.
later same iranians continue to meddle in.
but pretty much its 65 war which turned us into shitt cos unending wars and enimosity with much larger country made us security state rather then economic state

 

[War Thunder]

biggest error was letting iranians honey trap our elites.
which resulted in bringing bhutto which resulted 65 war after which we lost our progress speed later the same snake broke our country.
later same iranians continue to meddle in.
but pretty much its 65 war which turned us into shitt cos unending wars and enimosity with much larger country made us security state rather then economic state

So there was no war before 1965? It came out of nowhere all thanks to the iranians? (yes lets balme persians now, it aways works to blame some one else).

You need to get some good lessons on history if you think there was no hostility before 1965 and we only became a security state after 1965.
And you might also want to get a factual grip on reality, to realize without being a security state you would be dead trying to battle the kind of threats and enemies you have been fighting and are fighting.

 

[313ghazi]

Without a doubt, the biggest error in the history of Pakistan was the establishment of Sharia Law in '78. The Nizam-e-Mustafa is and always will be the biggest mistake in Pakistan. This is not from a religious perspective, but instead, from the perspective of a democratic society.
Establishing Sharia Law is another way of telling minority groups that they are inferior.

Any wise person can live their life by Islamic standards regardless of the law of the land(at least in democratic countries)

Do you agree with this?

Disagree. The only mistake made regarding this process that it was done half heartedly as a PR gimmick, rather than a full blown adoption of the Islamic legal system. This has left us with two parallel legal systems, in the hands of corrupt and inept executive and judiciary who implement neither properly, and this top level disregard for the law is reflected upon the rest of society.

If Pakistan today was to drop Islam altogether and become a militantly atheist country, we'd still be just as bad with minorities and our legal system would be just as sh1t. Blaming it on Shariah, is a tactic of desi liberals and their white imperial masters who don't want to see Muslims associating with their own legal framework. The problems of injustice and bias and lack of protection for the weak is engrained in the basic setup of our society.

Democracies biggest strength and flaw is the same thing; 1 man, 1 vote. On the one hand it is a wonderful ideal that each man is equal, but on the other hand it's dangerously flawed because each man is not equal. Some are intelligent, some are stupid. Some are rich, others are poor. People have different interests and people are generally selfish and will put self interest ahead of the greater good. You only have to look at Brexit to see what a mess democracy can create. Hitler was also voted into power, he was democracy in action too, so is Trump.

In countries like Pakistan the flaws are exposed majorly. Nearly half of the country is illiterate and the VAST majority are politically illiterate. People cast votes for places of Biriyani and for a few hundred rupees. We have dynasty politics, we have fuedal elites filling the halls of power, opposition to the elites is near on impossible in some regions, unless you also are as wealthy and powerful as them.

The political system is hijacked by the wealthy corrupt elite who abuse it every 5 years to self validate their right to rule. These people then ensure there is no accountability and the legal system is setup in their favour. Minority rights being tramples is a consequence of that, not of Shariah. You don't have to be non Muslim to get a raw deal in Pakistan - you have to be non rich.

 

[Baby Leone]

I guess Sharia Law were never implemented in Pakistan in its true sense and can never be, as we have dozens of sharia laws according to different sects. Pakistan is too diverse.

 

[ali_raza]

So there was no war before 1965? It came out of nowhere all thanks to the iranians? (yes lets balme persians now, it aways works to blame some one else).

You need to get some good lessons on history if you think there was no hostility before 1965 and we only became a security state after 1965.
And you might also want to get a factual grip on reality, to realize without being a security state you would be dead trying to battle the kind of threats and enemies you have been fighting and are fighting.

i think its u who need a history lesson
iranians use there women to lure young leaders who had better chances at power sikandar mirza bhutto hussain haqqani are just few examples.
leading a country to 65 was biggest mistake which in turn started turn of events which until today are not stopping

 

[Sully3]

The biggest mistake was not joining the Chinese in 1962 to take Kashmir.

Or

The bigger biggest mistake was not sending in regular troops earlier to take Kashmir in 1947.

Biggets mistake was having a coward as PM in Nawaz in 1999 when Kargil happened, had we had a strong PM we would have no doubt been able to get IOK from Indians. Instead Nawaz was begging Clinton to help him against the his own army who were going to stage a coup against him because he didnt back them in Kargil.

 

[dBSPL]

Remember deprivations of your elders. What gave them the power to fight? I'm trying to read a lot of resources to learn more about the life story of Mohammed Ali Jinnah, which is the great leader of the All-India Muslim League and the Pakistani struggle for independence. Nobody claimed that this road would be easy after him. Political struggles are difficult and we can make mistakes. Looking back on this day from today, when judging these mistakes, we cannot ignore the spirit of time and the circle of evil that surrounds us.