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The Bengal paradox
- Why the population growth rate in the state is low despite few noticeable advances on the economic and social fronts and what Mamata can learn from it

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Sept. 6: Bengal has turned conventional economic wisdom on its head.

Data released by the Centre last month revealed that Bengal had one of the lowest population growth rates, 13.8 per cent, in the country for the 2001-11 decade. This is of a piece with the number thrown up earlier in 2013 for Bengal's total fertility rate, which placed the state at the bottom of the table.

This development has taken place without being accompanied by the level of economic and social progress that has so far been seen to create conditions for low population growth.

Saswata Ghosh, economist and mathematical demographer at the Institute of Development Studies, Calcutta, said: "The basics in economics tell us that population growth rates tend to stabilise with rise in income and social well-being. We have seen such trends in the advanced economies of Europe around the 1960s and 1970s."

Japan's experience has been the same.

Bengal bucks that trend. The provisional socio-economic caste census (SECC) data of 2011 paints a dismal picture of rural Bengal: one-third of the population are illiterate and nearly three-fifths live in kuchcha houses and three-fifths earn their livelihood through manual labour. The breadwinner in 82 per cent of the households makes less than Rs 5,000 a month.

The situation of Odisha is somewhat similar. The state has witnessed a decadal population growth rate of 14 per cent but the socio-economic conditions of the rural population cannot be regarded as favourable for such a dip in the population growth rates.

"This is a demographic puzzle and I think it calls for more research," said Anup Sinha, professor of economics at IIM Calcutta.

According to him, a proper social safety net can push down fertility rates - as it has been witnessed in various European countries - because people think that the government will take care of them in their old age. India is far from a situation like that.

Given the uncertainty about the future and the widespread misery, conventional wisdom expects the poor to have more children in the hope of augmenting future income. Besides, the lower probability of survival of all the kids also encourage the poor to procreate more.

But the finding from Bengal is different, as the total fertility rate has dipped. This rate is defined as the average number of children a woman would have over her reproductive life. Bengal's fertility rate of 1.6 is not only below the national average but also lower than the replacement rate of 2.1 children per woman. This rate is taken to be 2.1 with the notion that a couple will be replaced by two children; 0.1 is added to factor in infertility among some women.

"The dip in the fertility rate in urban areas in Bengal is more to do with aspirations for their children, where parents are reducing fertility in search of social uplift. But in rural areas, the decline is distress-driven, as there are fears that the next child may starve to death," said Ghosh, who has been tracking the trend for some time.

This sense of insecurity can be understood in the context of results from the census. Some 70 per cent of the rural households are landless, around 47 per cent of the rural population do not have primary education (national average of 50 per cent) and the percentage of graduates in the state is less than the national average and all the western and southern states.

The low decadal population growth might make Bengal's current administrators happy as it means less strain on scarce public and private resources. As for the state's poor social and economic scores, Mamata Banerjee can well blame her predecessor, the Left Front, as the survey related to the years to 2011, the year she took charge.

Several economists, however, said the trend of deprivation seen during Left rule doesn't seem to have changed.

"Had there been a significant improvement in the situation after 2011, it would have been discernible to even non-expert eyes.... At least I haven't seen any major changes in terms of job opportunities or education," said Sinha.

Economists may wait for numbers, but till the next such survey results are out, Mamata can keep claiming that the Left destroyed both industry and agriculture, but the tables tucked in the voluminous report have several lessons for the chief minister.

Governments in Bengal have boasted about rapid industrialisation, never producing the numbers to support their claims. The provisional SECC data show that only 8.5 per cent of the rural population have salaried jobs -evidence of the lack of industrialisation. Agriculture offers a picture that is as gloomy: only 19 per cent of the rural population - against a national average of 30 per cent - earn their main livelihood from cultivation.

If more than 58 per cent of a state's rural population earn their primary living through manual casual labour - which means they do not use skills and employment is irregular - there is little doubt that the state needs industrialisation for which availability of land is a precondition. But Mamata's stated stand is against government acquisition of land.

"If the present government sticks to its stand on land, the next census will produce a more dismal picture of the state," said an city-based economist who did not wish to be named.

Over the past few years, the Mamata government has been claiming that Bengal is ahead of the national average in terms of all the major indicators like the growth rate of the economy and the rate of growth in industry, agriculture and services.

"From a small base, one can achieve higher growth numbers. Besides, the national average includes other laggard states. So, clocking a higher than national average is no big deal. Instead of patting herself on the back for what she has achieved, she should take a lesson from these numbers and change her approach," said the economist.


The Bengal paradox

@Rain Man @bongbang @FULL_METAL @GURU DUTT @vsdoc

Guys do something and make Bengal great again by taking it from communist,socialist and hooligans hands. :/
 
I saw Byomkesh Bakshi on cable twice on the weekend. Liked it a lot.

Reminded me of old Calcutta.

Have lovely childhood memories of Calcutta. Used to stay in Bow Bazar area in the Parsi Dharamshala on holidays.

Dad would go for the races and we would enjoy the city.
 
The Bengal paradox
- Why the population growth rate in the state is low despite few noticeable advances on the economic and social fronts and what Mamata can learn from it

07economychartbig.jpg

Sept. 6: Bengal has turned conventional economic wisdom on its head.

Data released by the Centre last month revealed that Bengal had one of the lowest population growth rates, 13.8 per cent, in the country for the 2001-11 decade. This is of a piece with the number thrown up earlier in 2013 for Bengal's total fertility rate, which placed the state at the bottom of the table.

This development has taken place without being accompanied by the level of economic and social progress that has so far been seen to create conditions for low population growth.

Saswata Ghosh, economist and mathematical demographer at the Institute of Development Studies, Calcutta, said: "The basics in economics tell us that population growth rates tend to stabilise with rise in income and social well-being. We have seen such trends in the advanced economies of Europe around the 1960s and 1970s."

Japan's experience has been the same.

Bengal bucks that trend. The provisional socio-economic caste census (SECC) data of 2011 paints a dismal picture of rural Bengal: one-third of the population are illiterate and nearly three-fifths live in kuchcha houses and three-fifths earn their livelihood through manual labour. The breadwinner in 82 per cent of the households makes less than Rs 5,000 a month.

The situation of Odisha is somewhat similar. The state has witnessed a decadal population growth rate of 14 per cent but the socio-economic conditions of the rural population cannot be regarded as favourable for such a dip in the population growth rates.

"This is a demographic puzzle and I think it calls for more research," said Anup Sinha, professor of economics at IIM Calcutta.

According to him, a proper social safety net can push down fertility rates - as it has been witnessed in various European countries - because people think that the government will take care of them in their old age. India is far from a situation like that.

Given the uncertainty about the future and the widespread misery, conventional wisdom expects the poor to have more children in the hope of augmenting future income. Besides, the lower probability of survival of all the kids also encourage the poor to procreate more.

But the finding from Bengal is different, as the total fertility rate has dipped. This rate is defined as the average number of children a woman would have over her reproductive life. Bengal's fertility rate of 1.6 is not only below the national average but also lower than the replacement rate of 2.1 children per woman. This rate is taken to be 2.1 with the notion that a couple will be replaced by two children; 0.1 is added to factor in infertility among some women.

"The dip in the fertility rate in urban areas in Bengal is more to do with aspirations for their children, where parents are reducing fertility in search of social uplift. But in rural areas, the decline is distress-driven, as there are fears that the next child may starve to death," said Ghosh, who has been tracking the trend for some time.

This sense of insecurity can be understood in the context of results from the census. Some 70 per cent of the rural households are landless, around 47 per cent of the rural population do not have primary education (national average of 50 per cent) and the percentage of graduates in the state is less than the national average and all the western and southern states.

The low decadal population growth might make Bengal's current administrators happy as it means less strain on scarce public and private resources. As for the state's poor social and economic scores, Mamata Banerjee can well blame her predecessor, the Left Front, as the survey related to the years to 2011, the year she took charge.

Several economists, however, said the trend of deprivation seen during Left rule doesn't seem to have changed.

"Had there been a significant improvement in the situation after 2011, it would have been discernible to even non-expert eyes.... At least I haven't seen any major changes in terms of job opportunities or education," said Sinha.

Economists may wait for numbers, but till the next such survey results are out, Mamata can keep claiming that the Left destroyed both industry and agriculture, but the tables tucked in the voluminous report have several lessons for the chief minister.

Governments in Bengal have boasted about rapid industrialisation, never producing the numbers to support their claims. The provisional SECC data show that only 8.5 per cent of the rural population have salaried jobs -evidence of the lack of industrialisation. Agriculture offers a picture that is as gloomy: only 19 per cent of the rural population - against a national average of 30 per cent - earn their main livelihood from cultivation.

If more than 58 per cent of a state's rural population earn their primary living through manual casual labour - which means they do not use skills and employment is irregular - there is little doubt that the state needs industrialisation for which availability of land is a precondition. But Mamata's stated stand is against government acquisition of land.

"If the present government sticks to its stand on land, the next census will produce a more dismal picture of the state," said an city-based economist who did not wish to be named.

Over the past few years, the Mamata government has been claiming that Bengal is ahead of the national average in terms of all the major indicators like the growth rate of the economy and the rate of growth in industry, agriculture and services.

"From a small base, one can achieve higher growth numbers. Besides, the national average includes other laggard states. So, clocking a higher than national average is no big deal. Instead of patting herself on the back for what she has achieved, she should take a lesson from these numbers and change her approach," said the economist.


The Bengal paradox

@Rain Man @bongbang @FULL_METAL @GURU DUTT @vsdoc

Guys do something and make Bengal great again by taking it from communist,socialist and hooligans hands. :/
in the nutshell most of the problems bengal or bengalies still face have to do with that attitude of superiorty complex against rest of india specially hindi speakers but i dont think its gonna change :coffee:
 
in the nutshell most of the problems bengal or bengalies still face have to do with that attitude of superiorty complex against rest of india specially hindi speakers but i dont think its gonna change :coffee:
I think this is the main problem

communist,socialist and hooligans
 
in the nutshell most of the problems bengal or bengalies still face have to do with that attitude of superiorty complex against rest of india specially hindi speakers but i dont think its gonna change :coffee:
I can't explain in words how wrong you are, what superiority complex mere Bhai? what hatred against hindi speakers? U ever been to Bengal? lol we are lazyass fish lovers, we don't even hate Bangladeshis:D how can we hate our fellow Indians? darru zyada charha liya hai apne gurubhai:-) I respect u a lot please don't come up with this kind of outrageous statements. We fought and bleed for India, if need arise will do that again along with other Indians. heck we don't even have a ethno nationalist party like shiv sena how can u say we look down upon other Indians?
 
in the nutshell most of the problems bengal or bengalies still face have to do with that attitude of superiorty complex against rest of india specially hindi speakers but i dont think its gonna change :coffee:

No such thing!! Common Bengalis actually admire the development in states like Maharashtra, Gujrat, Karnataka..etc. It's the politics that killed Bengal.

CONGRESS REGIME: For the first three decades it was Congress govt. Among the Congressi CMs Dr. Bidhan Chandra Ray was the best CM Bengal ever had, we did well under his govt. Then came the disturbing period of Indira Gandhi's emergency, Naxal movement, and Indira's pet CM Siddhartha Shankar Ray's high-handedness to deal with the political turmoil, that killed Congress permanently in Bengal, and opened up the window of opportunity for the left parties.

LEFT REGIME : PART-I: Left came into power in 1977 with Jyoti Basu as the CM, for the first ten years they did land reforms and secured huge support from the poor rural segment...but they were leftists and inherently against the private industries. For rest of the tenure of Jyoti Basu, which was 24 years in total, they killed the industry, injected their partymen in every single govt. institute including offices, schools, colleges, hospitals, municipalities, gram panchayets and every other damn place one can imagine.

Then why did they got elected so many times? Reasons are:

1. Lack of political opposition, their main opposition Congress was reduced to a signboard after the misdeeds of the police state govt. of their last CM.

2. CPM put their people in every single institution, small and big, and dealt brutally with any opposition to their regime, like a mini CCP.

3. They gave extra benefits to their partymen as an inducement to keep their loyalty and increase their cadre base in an otherwise low income opportunity society. These left leaders were fcuking clever, they gave their cadres temporary jobs...they had their jobs as long as they were loyal servants of their party.

4. They were controlling the daily lives of the common people through their numerous party offices in every village, any sign of anyone doing opposition politics or voting for the opposition, the whole family's lives become hell, no water from village handpump/well, no shopkeeper dare selling them anything, they would not be allowed to till their land, no one marrying in their family out of fear...and in extreme cases burning down their houses and murdering them was not so uncommon.

5. Scientific rigging: They had zero regards for democracy, they were communists, and they took rigging to new heights with amazing precision to secure their re-election, which they proudly named 'scientific rigging'. The process involved all of the above points to keep people under control, and then there was manipulation of voter lists ranging from striking off the opposition supporters' names to include fictitious names where their party cadres would vote, booth jamming and booth capturing, cchappa vote; party cadres are giving your votes, open vote; you vote in front of the party goons, while the presiding officer, a poor govt. service guy, is shivering under the table or he is also a party cadre, ballot box loot, false counting, and what not.

This was the rural picture, where majority votes are, left didn't do well in cities because it was hard to do this in cities, at least to that extent.

LEFT REGIME : PART II: In 2001 Buddhadeb Bhattacharya replaced Jyoti Basu, and he was very different from his predecessor. He was progressive, unlike the leftists, and he actually did very well for the development of Bengal. He was the next best CM after Dr. Bidhan Chandra Ray.

But his forward thinking policies ruffled feathers of the purists within the communist party, there were lobbies within the party trying to sabotage his 'capitalist' govt. Adding to the problem, Buddhadeb was not a very tactful politician, and some of their old and powerful administrators who could control the situation died...leaving a big gap in the party's think tank and administration.

TMC REGIME: TMC under Mamata was the beneficiary of the internal turmoil in CPM, she might also got help from the CPM rebels, she managed to form an alliance with Congress, consolidating the opposition votes for the first time. She managed to mislead the people on Singur Tata plant and Nandigram petrochem hub, it was easy...people were already brainwashed with leftist ideologies. She even joined hands with the Maoists to oust CPM from Jangalmahal areas, Maoists also flamed the Nandigram firing which got some bad press for the incumbent govt. Besides, Buddhadeb couldn't control his party goons at the grassroot level tormenting the common people...people were already disgusted and wanted to breath free, and CPM's rigging machinery was not as effective as earlier because of an active election commission and internal sabotage. All of this resulted in the end of Buddhadeb's regime, which was Bengal's last hope in spite of all its wrong doings.

I have nothing to say about Mamata, she always was a firebrand opposition leader and a poor administrator. As expected, she is doing her best to ruin whatever is left of Bengal, she even successfully manged to block the industries that Buddhadeb brought during his govt. She has learnt her politics opposing the CPM all her life, and now as the CM she only knows the CPM's brand of politics, she is acting more leftist than the leftists themselves, and trying to replicate all the bad things CPM did to retain power, but in a more crude manner.

WHAT FUTURE HOLDS FOR BENGAL:

Nothing!!

1. Congress is a toothless rat...a toothless dead rat. And they behave like a headless chicken. Their high command decided to play the second fiddle to TMC in 2009 LS election and 2011 state election, they were treated like dirt and forced out of the govt. soon after the 2011 win...end of the day they ended up feeding TMC from their own flesh, plenty of Congressis switched their loyalty to TMC since then.

2. CPM has some votebank, maybe 25%...old loyalists and Buddhadeb's supporters like me (it's like choosing the lesser evil), but they also have a huge baggage of past misdeeds. And I am not sure if Buddhadeb would dare to walk the path of development again by antagonizing sections of his party.

3. BJP lacks credible leaders and strong organization, and none but their own local head is responsible for that. Rahul Sinha is 10 times more worthless than his namesake from Congress. For him politics is all about doing press conferences, he failed to build any organization, he never really tried...he is more interested in internal politics to retain his chair by pulling down anyone within the party showing some spine. BJP is not going anywhere with Rahul Sinha in charge. I vote for BJP in LS, not in the state election. BJP had the potential to become a good alternative, but they need to find and groom a bunch of strong local leaders and administrators who can build a strong organization and fight it out on the field, political field that is, flying down someone from Delhi frequently won't help, politics is not one night stand.

4. TMC will complete its first term in 2016, and there seems to be no one to stop them from coming to power again. We just have to live with that for now.

I felt like writing an obituary for Bengal! :)
 
To be fair you don't get the grim picture being painted when you're in Kolkatta.Was there last week only
 
The Bengal paradox
- Why the population growth rate in the state is low despite few noticeable advances on the economic and social fronts and what Mamata can learn from it

07economychartbig.jpg

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I thought Bangladesh's fertility rate is lowest in the region @ 2.21 bit it seems WB beat us to that!
 
On a positive note, “Chakrabat Paribartante Sukhani Cha Dukhani Cha”, Bengal had it's glorious days, Bengal will have it again! Sun always rise after a dark night. :)

Don't see that happening with didi around , just when things were starting to look up under buddhadeb ,he was thrown out .What my bengali friends have told me is that from day 1 didi has been working on her re election, she has consolidated her vote bank so much so that there's no challenge to throne this time around
 
To be fair you don't get the grim picture being painted when you're in Kolkatta.Was there last week only

That's because Kolkata is the biggest trading hub around for a very large land mass, well-connected by rail, roads and water ways. Major trade for West Bengal, Bihar, Jharkhand, Orissa, seven NE states, and Bangladesh, Nepal and Bhutan happens through Kolkata, Kolkata and nearby places also have some traditional industries like leather, garments, small scale engineering, and new age industry like IT (which is performing far below its potential because of this government's policies). It's Barra Bazar area operates some of the largest hawala funds in India (that's not good though)....but Kolkata is a bright spot, there aren't many. :)

Don't see that happening with didi around , just when things were starting to look up under buddhadeb ,he was thrown out .What my bengali friends have told me is that from day 1 didi has been working on her re election, she has consolidated her vote bank so much so that there's no challenge to throne this time around

True, it's not happening anytime soon. :(
 
in the nutshell most of the problems bengal or bengalies still face have to do with that attitude of superiorty complex against rest of india specially hindi speakers but i dont think its gonna change :coffee:
where the hell did you get that garbage from? Please do not promote such ridiculous divisive concoctions on a public forum. Indian Bengalis have been always been as patriotic as any other, there contribution to the social fabric of India has been equal as any other. There exists no such superiority complex that you claim.
 
That's because Kolkata is the biggest trading hub around for a very large land mass, well-connected by rail, roads and water ways. Major trade for West Bengal, Bihar, Jharkhand, Orissa, seven NE states, and Bangladesh, Nepal and Bhutan happens through Kolkata, Kolkata and nearby places also have some traditional industries like leather, garments, small scale engineering, and new age industry like IT (which is performing far below its potential because of this government's policies). It's Barra Bazar area operates some of the largest hawala funds in India (that's not good though)....but Kolkata is a bright spot, there aren't many. :)
its pretty much dominated by marwaris and other non Bengalis and yet we hate hindi speakers, irony isn't it:D
 
in the nutshell most of the problems bengal or bengalies still face have to do with that attitude of superiorty complex against rest of india specially hindi speakers but i dont think its gonna change :coffee:

I can confirm this in some extent. I some times follow Indian Bangla serials with my mom. In these serials many of the times Hindi speakers are the villains.
 
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