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The Indian Navy and the ‘Battleship’ Debate
Is the Indian Navy justified in building large warships?

By Abhijit Singh
October 11, 2015
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The Indian navy recently unveiled the INSKochi – the second ship of the Kolkata class guided missile destroyers at Mumbai. At 7500 tons of displacement, the Kochi is the one of largest guided missile destroyers ever assembled by an Indian shipbuilding yard. Its cutting-edge weapons and sensors suite – comprising Brahmos cruise missiles, long range surface to air missiles (LR-SAM), surveillance and fire-control radars and a towed array sonar – makes it one of the mostsophisticated surface combatants to have graced the Indian Navy’s fighting fleet.

This is the second big Indian destroyer to have been commissioned in the past fourteen months. In August last year, INS Kolkata, the lead ship of the P 15-A class, joined the Indian Navy’s Western fleet. The excitement surrounding the two war vessels followed the enthusiastic averments of India’s political leadership and strategic experts, who sought to portray them as India’s battleships, meant to assert strategic dominance in the Indian Ocean.

While branding them as “battleships” might border on hyperbole, the commentary surrounding the new acquisitions has certainly triggered a debate in Indian strategic circles about the desirability of building big warships. Following the Kochi’scommissioning, critics of big ship construction raised doubts over the economic logic of acquiring expensive naval behemoths. High cost, time delays, expensive maintenance schedules, and superfluous capability add-ons, they pointed out, makes the construction of large warships a particularly profligate activity. With a construction cost of over Rs 40 billion ($617 million), skeptics wondered if the new class of ships could deliver value for the money spent, particularly when the Indian navy is vulnerable to the vagaries of budget cuts and in no position to build more expensive combat platforms.

The critics make a valid point. With a peacetime mission comprising primarily constabulary, humanitarian assistance, and diplomatic flag flying, the Indian Navy is unlikely to find ships of the size of Kochi of much use for the missions it is required to perform in the Indian Ocean. With the bulk of its operational energies spent in conducting coastal security and non-combatant evacuation missions – such as the operation in Yemen earlier this year – the Navy already has a problem of sophisticated warships carrying out low-end constabulary and benign tasks. The suggestion then that instead of large redundant war-vessels, India must focus on building light frigates, patrol boats, and utility craft for surveillance and constabulary duties does appear to have some merit.

Navalists, however, summarily reject the critics’ projection of future peacetime roles and the big warship’s lack of utility therein. Large warships, proponents of big-ship construction claim, go well beyond fighting decisive battles in conflict. By their very nature, they are also a political tool in peacetime. Besides fighting enemy ships in a conventional far-seas face-off, “battleships” are meant to signal political resolve by assuming a forceful posture in distant maritime theaters. By virtue of their sophisticated design and fearsome looks, large modern warships have the ability to project both fire and fear at much greater distances. Their appeal lies in the fact that besides serving as an effective strategic bulwark, they can absorb more punishmentthan any other naval platform. The thick armor-plating, combined with greater stealth features makes them infinitely more survivable than smaller war vessels.

Indispensable Assets

For classical naval thinkers, large warships are indispensable assets in modern day warfare because of their unique capacity to efficiently integrate the foremost innovations in naval technology involving sensors, cruise missiles, unmanned drones and directed energy weapons. These latest innovations are extremely power intensive and can only be mounted on large platforms. Moreover, large ships offer greater protection to sophisticated armament and sensors. Unlike smaller vessels, they do not just depend on maneuverability and close-in weapon systems for defense. Their superior anti-missile capability ensures a higher order of survivability from incoming missile strikes.

The more interesting tactical argument in favor of large-vessel construction is the protection such ships afford to onboard sensors and machinery. Large warships have a protective shield that limits the damage to key components from missile and torpedo attacks to a small area surrounding the point of contact. This ensures that a direct hit does not debilitate the entire combat machinery of the ship. By contrast, an attack on a vessel without adequate protection could impact sensitive, deeply integrated technology systems onboard, resulting in a complete shutdown of the command and control systems. Larger vessels also have a greater capacity to accommodate critical passive systems that are invaluable for fleet protection in an anti-access/area-denial (A2/AD).

Supporters also offer a more convincing strategic rationale for building large warships. Big war-vessels, they aver, facilitate a quantum of power projection that small ships cannot ever hope to match. This is especially true in a globalizing environment where powerful nations seek to influence regional perceptions through hard-power posturing. Indeed, despite an expanding global interconnectedness and the shrinking space for conventional conflicts, navies have consistently engaged in hard-power signaling in critical strategic spaces. In East Asia, for instance, China, Japan, Russia and the U.S. have deployed powerful naval contingents on a regular basis, often on the pretext of carrying out benign patrols. The South China Sea is, in fact, the most revealing example of a strategic build-up involving economically interdependent states, occurring in a perfectly globalizing space.

Maritime disputes in Southeast Asia also illustrate the enduring nature of geopolitics. No matter what the economic context, national maritime forces must perform strategic game-plays to maximize geopolitical gains. But the preservation of political influence in the maritime littorals, supporters argue, needs more than a fleet of small specialist vessels. It requires a powerful navy – with aircraft carriers, submarines, and big warships – to both project power and protect the fighting fleet from enemy attacks. Indeed, the general consensus in India’s maritime fraternity is that today’s naval arsenals, specifically ASCMs, are far more dangerous than the weaponry of yore. Chinese ASCMs – capable of being fired from sea, air, or land and traveling at supersonic speeds – can easily target Indian naval assets operating in the Indian Ocean. The makes the case for bigger, sturdier and stronger ships even more compelling.

The second argument in favor of large warships concerns national brand-building. The big and burly INS Kochi is a poster-child for indigenization and the Narendra Modi government’s mantra of “Make-in India.” The ship has been designed by the Navy’s in-house organization – the Directorate of Naval Design – and constructed in the Mazagon Dock Shipyard in Mumbai. But supporters point out that India isn’t the only Indo-Pacific power investing in big ships. The U.S. is building expensive carriers, littoral combat vessels, and other ships, and the Chinese have undertaken construction of two aircraft carriers, whilst significantly expanding their big amphibious ship program. Meanwhile, Japan and Australia have placed large helicopter carriers at the center of their maritime military strategies.

The Indian Navy is not the only maritime force to face huge cost and time overruns in acquiring its big warships. The U.S. Navy, the PLAN, and the Royal Australian navy have all been victims of the same malady. Picture this. After building the big and expensive aircraft carrier, the USS Gerald Ford – the first in class of three ships – the USN undertook the construction of the large Zumwalt class.Exorbitantly priced at $4.3 billion apiece, the eventual projected cost of these ships is about 50 percent higher than that originally estimated a few years ago. This doesn’t include the mind-boggling figure of $9.1 billion spent on research and development for the overall project.

The debate over the Zumwalt in U.S. maritime circles, in many ways, mirrors the discussions in India over big warship building. The new destroyer has an awkwardly shaped hull that tapers up to the deck, making it harder to detect on enemy radar – a design feature that now has analysts worried over its seaworthiness. In like fashion, some Indian observers have questioned the INS Kochi’ssurvivability in conflict, an inevitable consequence of its restricted maneuverability on account of its heavy armor. Yet arguments seeking to negate the logic of large ship production seem misplaced. None of them address core strategic concerns that have led the Indian Navy to acquire a greater number of large combat oriented naval vessels.

Finally, nothing conveys strategic intent as effectively as the big conventional warship. The mere presence of powerful destroyers and frigates brimming with cutting-edge armament and sensors can provide a navy with a decisive psychological advantage in strategic scenarios. It isn’t sheer happenstance, navalists point out, that China has been deploying Type 054A guided-missile frigates (equipped with the YJ-83 anti-ships missiles) and submarines for anti-piracy duties in the Indian Ocean. By sending its most modern combatants for low-spectrum security tasks, Beijing has sought to stamp its political will on the South Asia littorals. By the same token, the U.S. has been unapologetic about deploying its aircraft carriers for humanitarian assistance duties in the Western Pacific, even as it has chosen to deploy its littoral combat ships for functional tasks that can be performed by smaller assets

India’s maritime managers realize that in the new world, regional perceptions define maritime strategy. Since perception management is a key ingredient of maritime diplomacy, the Indian navy must rely on aircraft carriers and large destroyers for power-projection in the Indian Ocean. This includes capabilities that are used more to attain strategic leverage than actually fight full-scale wars. Given the fractious nature of geopolitics in maritime Asia, big warships aptly exemplify India’s growing geopolitical ambitions. Regardless of what the skeptics might then say, the super destroyers are here to stay.
 
In coming future Power projection is the key to safe gaurd Indian interest in not only Indian Ocean but also economical trade routes from strait of mallaca to the middle east. As the true deep water blue navy, big warships are needed not only for its own protection but also for the protection of the whole fleet. A small vessels though more maneuverable but limits the options of various sensors and EW instruments needed against the adversaries against Submarines and antiship cruise missile. China is aggressively modernizing its Naval Power, and sending its petrol ships and subs in Indian Ocean claiming for the security against the pirates. China is also developing various strategic ports in Pakistan, Srilanka, Bangladesh, and Burma and started to surround India with String of Pearl policy. UK is no more a naval power, and there is no Soviet to guarantee Indian Security against foreign threats, so in the end its India who have to take care of its interest and the threat from the sea, and the Indian Navy who is responsible for that knows better whats needed. But the decision should be taken on the basis of long term economical and strategic analysis. IN still lack amphibious capability and under-surface Sub capability. The second strike and the Submarine based nuclear strike capability needs powerful navy to safeguard its security. Overall lot have to be done, and lot of things is happening, Lets see what it shape in future
 
In coming future Power projection is the key to safe gaurd Indian interest in not only Indian Ocean but also economical trade routes from strait of mallaca to the middle east. As the true deep water blue navy, big warships are needed not only for its own protection but also for the protection of the whole fleet. A small vessels though more maneuverable but limits the options of various sensors and EW instruments needed against the adversaries against Submarines and antiship cruise missile. China is aggressively modernizing its Naval Power, and sending its petrol ships and subs in Indian Ocean claiming for the security against the pirates. China is also developing various strategic ports in Pakistan, Srilanka, Bangladesh, and Burma and started to surround India with String of Pearl policy. UK is no more a naval power, and there is no Soviet to guarantee Indian Security against foreign threats, so in the end its India who have to take care of its interest and the threat from the sea, and the Indian Navy who is responsible for that knows better whats needed. But the decision should be taken on the basis of long term economical and strategic analysis. IN still lack amphibious capability and under-surface Sub capability. The second strike and the Submarine based nuclear strike capability needs powerful navy to safeguard its security. Overall lot have to be done, and lot of things is happening, Lets see what it shape in future

A totally rootless view.
 
In coming future Power projection is the key to safe gaurd Indian interest in not only Indian Ocean but also economical trade routes from strait of mallaca to the middle east. As the true deep water blue navy, big warships are needed not only for its own protection but also for the protection of the whole fleet. A small vessels though more maneuverable but limits the options of various sensors and EW instruments needed against the adversaries against Submarines and antiship cruise missile. China is aggressively modernizing its Naval Power, and sending its petrol ships and subs in Indian Ocean claiming for the security against the pirates. China is also developing various strategic ports in Pakistan, Srilanka, Bangladesh, and Burma and started to surround India with String of Pearl policy. UK is no more a naval power, and there is no Soviet to guarantee Indian Security against foreign threats, so in the end its India who have to take care of its interest and the threat from the sea, and the Indian Navy who is responsible for that knows better whats needed. But the decision should be taken on the basis of long term economical and strategic analysis. IN still lack amphibious capability and under-surface Sub capability. The second strike and the Submarine based nuclear strike capability needs powerful navy to safeguard its security. Overall lot have to be done, and lot of things is happening, Lets see what it shape in future

I don't think China will ever include PLAN in any potential conflict against India,the war will most likely remain limited to ground and air warfare.
 
I don't think China will ever include PLAN in any potential conflict against India,the war will most likely remain limited to ground and air warfare.
China have very agressive and expansion policy and for the development plan for Navy you have to plan 30 years ahead because to build a destroyers takes years and Carriers close to decade.

What about the seas around strait of mallaca, Economically important Sea routes of Singapore, Taiwan and the indian interest in the oil exploration in the sea around vietnam, where China claims all the south china sea her and the small islands in that. Think and then post.
 
China have very agressive and expansion policy and for the development plan for Navy you have to plan 30 years ahead because to build a destroyers takes years and Carriers close to decade.

What about the seas around strait of mallaca, Economically important Sea routes of Singapore, Taiwan and the indian interest in the oil exploration in the sea around vietnam, where China claims all the south china sea her and the small islands in that. Think and then post.

I'm not opposing the idea of strengthening the IN,far from it,I've been a big proponent of our naval arm.All I'm saying that China has got no need to go through all this hassle of sending their naval fleets from South China Sea to all the way across Indian Ocean Region if they feel to teach us some lesson in future.Why take all those troubles when they can more easily pound us from air and land??
 
I'm not opposing the idea of strengthening the IN,far from it,I've been a big proponent of our naval arm.All I'm saying that China has got no need to go through all this hassle of sending their naval fleets from South China Sea to all the way across Indian Ocean Region if they feel to teach us some lesson in future.Why take all those troubles when they can more easily pound us from air and land??

Forget any future all-out war, because there will none in future, the only thing what will happen will be short, high intensity, high techno clashes, in which the target is to achieve the economical interest. To capture land fighting leave that to the Taliban and ISIS. The only thing what will happens will be the power projection, and sea is the great free source of the resources to be explored.

Do you know Indian nuclear program for the nuclear reactors to generate electricity using plutonium is so important because India have the biggest plutonium in the coastal beds which can fulfill our demands for decades, and several hundreds tons of plutonium is mined and taken away and no one have seen the pirates. LOLZ

Chinese companies is invested and Chinese workers are flourishing in the eastern African countries. Her sphere of interests is increasing day by day and in an exponential speed. India will also develop and sooner or later it will play a big role in the international economics and then the two giants will come face to face.

From the heights of Tibet, China could not mount India with its tanks fleets, nor does the height allows the fighter planes to lift the max loads, nor does the Chinese have inherited ability to be naturally acclimatized in the Himalayan region.
 
Forget any future all-out war, because there will none in future, the only thing what will happen will be short, high intensity, high techno clashes, in which the target is to achieve the economical interest. To capture land fighting leave that to the Taliban and ISIS. The only thing what will happens will be the power projection, and sea is the great free source of the resources to be explored.
Good,disband the entire Army and its armored division then,since there is no chances left for future land wars anymore!!

Do you know Indian nuclear program for the nuclear reactors to generate electricity using plutonium is so important because India have the biggest plutonium in the coastal beds which can fulfill our demands for decades,
Nothing new,neither relevant to this topic.
and several hundreds tons of plutonium is mined and taken away and no one have seen the pirates. LOLZ
So you are proposing deployment of the IN for combating a bunch of ragtag pirates??

Chinese companies is invested and Chinese workers are flourishing in the eastern African countries. Her sphere of interests is increasing day by day and in an exponential speed. India will also develop and sooner or later it will play a big role in the international economics and then the two giants will come face to face.
When did I ever dispute that??

From the heights of Tibet, China could not mount India with its tanks fleets, nor does the height allows the fighter planes to lift the max loads, nor does the Chinese have inherited ability to be naturally acclimatized in the Himalayan region.
Thanks Mr Obvious,I wasn't acquainted with these facts before his majesty decided to grant me with all his knowledge!! :D
 
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While I agree that we need 100 new NMRHs so as to properly equip our surface fleet

But people forget that you need certain number of capital ships to perform the duties in wartime
What the article states is that we should only induct 2400 OPVs, since they are most useful during peacetime
That's funny, coz the author assumes a lifetime of peace which never happens in real world
Another factor is that by the time the last P15B ship enters service, Delhi class would be 28 years old and would be on its last legs,
So you are not looking at a very large fleet

We will only be able to maintain a fleet of 10 Destroyers, at least till 2030
 
A totally rootless view, hey you got one thanks for this comment, So whats your view on this my friend.

Building big warships is totally pointless until the infrastructure of the inshore echelons is completely built up. Without those echelons, a few big warships are worth little.

Good,disband the whole Army and its armored division then,since there is no chances left for any future land wars!!


Nothing new,neither relevant to this topic.

So you are proposing of deployment of the In for combating a bunch of ragtag pirates??


When did I ever dispute that??


Thanks Mr Obvious,I wasn't acquainted with these facts before his majesty notified me!! :D

Some threads turn out good unexpectedly because of the humour content of some posts.
 
Good,disband the whole Army and its armored division then,since there is no chances left for any future land wars!!


Nothing new,neither relevant to this topic.

So you are proposing of deployment of the In for combating a bunch of ragtag pirates??


When did I ever dispute that??


Thanks Mr Obvious,I wasn't acquainted with these facts before his majesty notified me!! :D
Thanks for such remarkable response mate. PORE post ki hawa nikal di LOLZ

Offtopic, why is your -24 rating, no offense. and I am ban from pakistani section for trol, derail, and offtopic. Does this ban is for life or some period.

Building big warships is totally pointless until the infrastructure of the inshore echelons is completely built up. Without those echelons, a few big warships are worth little.



Some threads turn out good unexpectedly because of the humour content of some posts.
So whats your suggestion, navy should not build Kochi, because that decision is not taken by me but our Naval forces.
 
Thanks for such remarkable response mate. PORE post ki hawa nikal di LOLZ

Offtopic, why is your -24 rating, no offense. and I am ban from pakistani section for trol, derail, and offtopic. Does this ban is for life or some period.


So whats your suggestion, navy should not build Kochi, because that decision is not taken by me but our Naval forces.

My suggestion is that the Navy should simultaneously commission the balancing forces:
  1. ASW corvettes guarding the approaches, and, acting jointly with the P8Is, ensuring an unsafe environment for submarines;
  2. off-shore patrol vessels (medium-range versions of Long Range Patrol Vessels) guarding strategic assets;
  3. cutters and sloops for the Coast Guard, ensuring that there is great difficulty in terrorist teams accessing the shore from small boats;
  4. ACVs and fast patrol boats and gun boats filling in the gaps between Coast Guard and land-based maritime police stations;
  5. high-endurance land-based maritime reconnaissance aircraft, connected to Coast Guard, ACVs, fast patrol boats, gun boats and land-based police.
There is a huge need for greater surveillance of the sea approaches to major Indian cities, and, further out to sea, guarding our oil rigs and our ports, and, most extended, vigilance denying the enemy submarine fleet the opportunity to lurk undetected within medium-range cruise missile range.
 
My suggestion is that the Navy should simultaneously commission the balancing forces:
  1. ASW corvettes guarding the approaches, and, acting jointly with the P8Is, ensuring an unsafe environment for submarines;
  2. off-shore patrol vessels (medium-range versions of Long Range Patrol Vessels) guarding strategic assets;
  3. cutters and sloops for the Coast Guard, ensuring that there is great difficulty in terrorist teams accessing the shore from small boats;
  4. ACVs and fast patrol boats and gun boats filling in the gaps between Coast Guard and land-based maritime police stations;
  5. high-endurance land-based maritime reconnaissance aircraft, connected to Coast Guard, ACVs, fast patrol boats, gun boats and land-based police.
There is a huge need for greater surveillance of the sea approaches to major Indian cities, and, further out to sea, guarding our oil rigs and our ports, and, most extended, vigilance denying the enemy submarine fleet the opportunity to lurk undetected within medium-range cruise missile range.
Sir, with respect, all above points are being taken care of by the IN and ICG as we speak.
 
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