The atrocities in the 1971 civil war

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Its was not ethnic but National extermination.

You wanted all who saw themselves as Bangladesh people dead.
That's genocide


Yup we all know the kind of controls PA used

Please stop spamming with videos that establish nothing except a few instances of atrocities. What you are arguing is systematic extermination of most Bengalis as an ethnic group, since most would agree that the demand for independence was supported by most Bengalis in EP.

Read the excerpts of the atrocities committed by the East Pakistani militants again. The PA was completely justified in neutralizing all those who were members of such terrorist groups and their supporters. Were atrocities (non-combatants and non-supporters being killed) committed in the pursuit of that objective ? Yes they were, but there is no evidence indicating that they were killed as part of a systematic plan to exterminate all Bengalis, nor is their any evidence indicating that they were killed in the numbers claimed.

Your argument is illogical because, as I pointed out, Indian security forces killing primarily Punjabis and Kashmiris, and US forces killing Vietnamese in Vietnam and Pashtun in Afghanistan is some sort of 'genocide' of those communities.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

So what your telling me is that Bangladesh was founded by Terrorists, Barbarians and Indian's

Right, i will just leave it to the Bangladesh members of the forum to give you a far better reply then I ever can.

I am telling you that those who committed the atrocities mentioned in my post were terrorists and barbarians. Why do you disagree with that?

Do you think that over a hundred thousand innocent men, women and children massacred and raped by Bengali militants (before Op Searchlight) in pursuit of a political goal is perfectly acceptable?

 

[gogbot]

Please stop spamming with videos that establish nothing except a few instances of atrocities. What you are arguing is systematic extermination of most Bengalis as an ethnic group, since most would agree that the demand for independence was supported by most Bengalis in EP.

Read the excerpts of the atrocities committed by the East Pakistani militants again. The PA was completely justified in neutralizing all those who were members of such terrorist groups and their supporters. Were atrocities (non-combatants and non-supporters being killed) committed in the pursuit of that objective ? Yes they were, but there is no evidence indicating that they were killed as part of a systematic plan to exterminate all Bengalis, nor is their any evidence indicating that they were killed in the numbers claimed.

Your argument is illogical because, as I pointed out, Indian security forces killing primarily Punjabis and Kashmiris, and US forces killing Vietnamese in Vietnam and Pashtun in Afghanistan is some sort of 'genocide' of those communities.

People can write anything.

I am providing documented video footage.

Its a lot harder to refute Pictures and Video's isn't it

 

[gogbot]

I am telling you that those who committed the atrocities mentioned in my post were terrorists and barbarians. Why do you disagree with that?

Do you think that over a hundred thousand innocent men, women and children massacred and raped by Bengali militants (before Op Searchlight) in pursuit of a political goal is perfectly acceptable?

It can be classified as mob violence but not Terrorists not Barbarians.

You had oppressed people firing shots in anger. it was not systematic nor was it planned.

Whilst PA was a government Organization with plan that called for a systematic slaughter.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

People can write anything.

I am providing documented video footage.

Its a lot harder to refute Pictures and Video's isn't it

No one is suggesting that atrocities did not occur, just as atrocities occurred in Vietnam, Indian Punjab, Iraq and Kashmir - but how do those videos of isolated incidents indicate an attempt to systematically exterminate Bengalis as an ethnic group?

There is plenty of evidence substantiating Hitler's goals of exterminating Jews, the concentration camps and numbers killed - we have nothing like that in the case of EP.

 

[gogbot]

No one is suggesting that atrocities did not occur, just as atrocities occurred in Vietnam, Indian Punjab, Iraq and Kashmir - but how do those videos of isolated incidents indicate an attempt to systematically exterminate Bengalis as an ethnic group?

There is plenty of evidence substantiating Hitler's goals of exterminating Jews, the concentration camps and numbers killed - we have nothing like that in the case of EP.

Then what is the problem.

Pictures speak a thousand words

Let the members of the forum see the atrocities them selves, Let them look at the picture and watch the footage.

i am merely reminding everyone, That the past is not a book to to re-written as they see fit.

Some things are more permanent

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Then what is the problem.

Pictures speak a thousand words

Let the members of the forum see the atrocities them selves, Let them look at the picture and watch the footage.

i am merely reminding everyone, That the past is not a book to to re-written as they see fit.

Some things are more permanent

The problem is that they do not support the claims being made here, and have been posted on various threads related to EP ad infinitum. I fail to see what purpose they serve by being posted repeatedly other than for flaming and trolling.

 

[Nemesis]

The PA was completely justified in neutralizing all those who were members of such terrorist groups and their supporters. Were atrocities (non-combatants and non-supporters being killed) committed in the pursuit of that objective ? Yes they were, but there is no evidence indicating that they were killed as part of a systematic plan to exterminate all Bengalis, nor is their any evidence indicating that they were killed in the numbers claimed

The PA may or may not be justified in going after the Mukhti Bahani, but explain how was the PA justified in systematically killing Bangladeshi doctors, professors, etc in short targetting the East Pakistani intelligentsia days before Pakistan's surrender?

By the way, since no one actually wants to comment on the topic, it would appear the assertion is largely correct, that the PA did indeed have the East Pakistan insurgency under control for the most part, and the situation in East Pakistan would not have deteriorated and EP would not have gained independence without Indian intervention.

The majority of the population, nay, almost all of the population was against West Pakistan and yet you say that EP would not have gained independence without Indian help? Our intervention helped quicken the inevitable.

Your argument completely negates the policies of the West Pakistani administration which led to popular separatist sentiment and blames everything on India. We may have helped, but Bangladesh became independent because of your policies, not ours.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

It can be classified as mob violence but not Terrorists not Barbarians.

You had oppressed people firing shots in anger. it was not systematic nor was it planned.

Whilst PA was a government Organization with plan that called for a systematic slaughter.

One hundred thousand plus people being massacred and raped for belonging to a particular ethnicity all across East Pakistan by a particualr group is not 'mob violence'.

A protest in Dhaka the degenerates into a violent riot is 'mob violence' - this was systematically planned and orchestrated terrorism and barbarism perpetrated upon West Pakistanis, Biharis and supporters of Pakistan.

Were is this plan for 'systematic slaughter'? So far all the evidence indicates that some soldiers and officers were undisciplined and targeted some non-combatants in the process of fighting insurgents and terrorists, not unlike what happened in Indian Punjab, Kashmir and Vietnam.

 

[gogbot]

The problem is that they do not support the claims being made here, and have been posted on various threads related to EP ad infinitum. I fail to see what purpose they serve by being posted repeatedly other than for flaming and trolling.

Information for what else purpose.

We are discussing the Bangladesh liberation war are we not.

Those video's are all concerning that subject.

Some people may need to be reminded, some may have never seen them. They also make the most convincing proof

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

The PA may or may not be justified in going after the Mukhti Bahani, but explain how was the PA justified in systematically killing Bangladeshi doctors, professors, etc in short targetting the East Pakistani intelligentsia days before Pakistan's surrender?

Treason.

The majority of the population, nay, almost all of the population was against West Pakistan and yet you say that EP would not have gained independence without Indian help? Our intervention helped quicken the inevitable.

Your argument completely negates the policies of the West Pakistani administration which led to popular separatist sentiment and blames everything on India. We may have helped, but Bangladesh became independent because of your policies, not ours.

Once the violent insurgency was defeated, work on political resolutions would have followed. How that would have panned out or whether it would have been enough is only speculation at this point since it was never given a chance.

But if the African Americans in the US could be co-opted in a political structure after hundreds of years of slavery and segregation (nowhere close to that level of discrimination or atrocities occurred in EP) then why not in EP?

In any case, whether it would have worked or not is complete speculation at this point.

 

[gogbot]

One hundred thousand plus people being massacred and raped for belonging to a particular ethnicity all across East Pakistan by a particualr group is not 'mob violence'.

A protest in Dhaka the degenerates into a violent riot is 'mob violence' - this was systematically planned and orchestrated terrorism and barbarism perpetrated upon West Pakistanis, Biharis and supporters of Pakistan.

Were is this plan for 'systematic slaughter'? So far all the evidence indicates that some soldiers and officers were undisciplined and targeted some non-combatants in the process of fighting insurgents and terrorists, not unlike what happened in Indian Punjab, Kashmir and Vietnam.

How many people died during partition of India and Pak in 1947

1 million Hindu, Muslim , Sikh slaughtered like animals all across the Sub-continent. It was all mob violence.

Bangladesh and Pakistan came apart, are you surprised people are dieing in such large numbers.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

How many people died during partition of India and Pak in 1947

1 million Hindu, Muslim , Sikh slaughtered like animals all across the Sub-continent. It was all mob violence.

Bangladesh and Pakistan came apart, are you surprised people are dieing in such large numbers.

Planned atrocities by militant groups against non-Bengali's - it was terrorism and possibly genocide.

That massacres occurred during partition does not justify the atrocities of Bengali militants in EP.

Why are you so loath to call a spade a spade and accept that what these Bengali militants did was terrorism and barbaric and are contriving poor excuses to justify those atrocities?

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Information for what else purpose.

We are discussing the Bangladesh liberation war are we not.

Those video's are all concerning that subject.

Some people may need to be reminded, some may have never seen them. They also make the most convincing proof

We are actually discussing the point that the PA had the insurgency under control, not the war of 1971. It is some members who insist on talking about everything except the topic.

And this is not a thread for pointless 'information'.

 

[gogbot]

We are actually discussing the point that the PA had the insurgency under control, not the war of 1971. It is some members who insist on talking about everything except the topic.

And this is not a thread for pointless 'information'.

We are discussing the point that it was never an insurgency but a fight for freedom.

The earliest posts in this thread clearly establish that.

The liberation war of 1971 was between Bangladesh and Pakistan.
The Indo-Pak war of 71 is different