The arrests are being made for our own investigations,handover out of the question:FM

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Yes, you guys seem to be most concerned about the sanctity of the constitution only when handling a suspect wanted in India.

There's a reason why the US is acting outside the Pakistani constitution - its the only way to get the job done.

Oh, and its also kinda easy to circumvent it.

Musharraf paid for the fallout for that 'circumvention', in case you haven't been followng the sentiment on th street in Pakistan and in the media.

Why does the GoP have to deny that it ever offerd the US tacit approval to target areas in FATA, and make noises about it? Same reason - though the weak excuses are not really flying with anyone, and the PPP would lose big time were elections held today.

And India just doesn't get the same respect from Pakistan that the US does - simple as that. After all we have full diplomatic and trade relations with them, have operated on various causes with them, used their aid and weapons, and most imporatntly, don't have disputed territory with them nor have we gone to war with them.

Its easier for the establishment to try and cut corners for the US, and get away with it - the US is not considered an existential enemy by most Pakistanis. India is, especially with the belligerance of war and strikes expressed in the Indian media recently.

 

[Awesome]

Yes, you guys seem to be most concerned about the sanctity of the constitution only when handling a suspect wanted in India.

There's a reason why the US is acting outside the Pakistani constitution - its the only way to get the job done.

Oh, and its also kinda easy to circumvent it.

Not in the current set up. Thats why the US is bombing our tribal areas without our consent, it knows the parliament will never give its nod.

However this just worsens US's own position. India cannot do the same. It knows any military action will be reciprocated. It's not a part of the constitution but the armed forces doctrine states that we will defend ourselves and take the war onto the aggressor's side.

The US is no longer being handed over any Pakistanis. In fact there's a strong drive to demand the Pakistanis given, back. What do you think was the real reason behind the sacking Iftikhar Chowdhary? Chowdhary was expected to give a bad verdict on the missing persons (in US custody) case. Which would've found the current leaders guilty of treachery for handing over the people the US.

If that was treachery, what do you think our people would term handing over people to India? Also think about the massive bombing spree this would inspire within Pakistan. For the sake of Pakistani lives and the supremacy of Pakistani law, the Indians should give up be practical and realize its never happening.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Quite frankly the US needs to realize the need to respect the Pakistani system and laws, or any other nations laws for that matter (keeping airstrikes out of the argument for the moment due to the complexities of that situation).

By attempting to circumvent the law, or coerce the conserned nation into circumventng it, a precedent for unaccountable and illegal behavior is set and the the US has just participated in illegal activity. The US should be trying to encourage the rule of law and democracy, not undermine it - some would argue that the Bush administration hasn't cared much for the US's own laws, so why care for another nation's - all in the name of WoT.

 

[Vinod2070]

Things are not looking too good.

Hope it is not a farce. I won't hold my breathe on it.

 

[Flintlock]

Musharraf paid for the fallout for that 'circumvention', in case you haven't been followng the sentiment on th street in Pakistan and in the media.

Has Pakistan handed over suspects to the US after Mushy's exit? I'm not sure of the details.

If Pakistan has not been handing suspects over to the US, the perhaps you have grounds to argue that the sentiment in Pakistan has compelled the elected government to stop doing so.

Why does the GoP have to deny that it ever offerd the US tacit approval to target areas in FATA, and make noises about it? Same reason - though the weak excuses are not really flying with anyone, and the PPP would lose big time were elections held today.

You're right - its sad that things had to come to this stage.

And India just doesn't get the same respect from Pakistan that the US does - simple as that. After all we have full diplomatic and trade relations with them, have operated on various causes with them, used their aid and weapons, and most imporatntly, don't have disputed territory with them nor have we gone to war with them.

You're right again.

Its easier for the establishment to try and cut corners for the US, and get away with it - the US is not considered an existential enemy by most Pakistanis. India is, especially with the belligerance of war and strikes expressed in the Indian media recently.

Well the anti-US sentiment is quite high in Pakistan, if media reports are to be believed.

In any case, its Pakistani soil that has been used to attack the heart of one of the financial capitals of the world, and Pakistan has no choice but to show that it is willing to and capable of preventing such things from happening in the future.
Just like the Indian Government is under pressure to prove to both the Indian public and the world that it is capable of protecting the citizens of Mumbai.

You guys really have to do far more than simply arrest half a dozen suspects and wait for "evidence".
Pakistani intelligence knows who did it, why they did it and how it was done. If certain allegations are to be believed, they even had a hand in planning it. The charge that sufficient evidence was not provided is not going to fly with India at all.

If a similar incident occurs again, the repercussions could be far worse for both nations. I hope that the government of Pakistan realizes that and acts accordingly.

 

[HAIDER]

Well if govt of Pakistan acts against suspected terrorist camps cosmetic then how come all the key players who were going to submit report about BJP terrorism against muslims been killed in Mumbai attack. Why only selected people. Death of IG Karkare ??????????...him and his team caught BJP terrorist....one week before appearing in court all three top ranking police officers gun down ??????????

 

[Awesome]

Things are not looking too good.

Hope it is not a farce. I won't hold my breathe on it.

Things are bloody brilliant all things considered. India didn't even hand over any evidence, Pak could've rightfully just sat on its own butt. But we're taking an initiative here, Indians should appreciate this gesture towards normalization. Pakistan is also sending a high level delegation to India and Gen Kayani has officially declared his desire for South Asian peace.

Even the US singing full of praise for the current stance Pakistan has shown towards fighting terror. This is just a start India should play ball and not F it up by downplaying Pakistani efforts. Things could very well still flip and everything can take a U-Turn. Each side should be very responsible. Remember Zardari himself came on LIVE TV and had some very harsh words to say about India's irresponsible behavior at escalating the situation. Remember Pakistanis already think India will reject everything Pakistan does and make excuses. In the Pakistani mind, this is all an Indian plan to just make Pakistan look bad.

Now don't prove us right.

 

[daredevil]

Why did the GoP attacked and arrested LeT members and Lakhvi without evidence in the first place?.

I remember Zardari making a statement that the terrorists were not Pakistani, what does he want to say about this now?.

 

[Awesome]

Why did the GoP attacked and arrested LeT members and Lakhvi without evidence in the first place?.

I remember Zardari making a statement that the terrorists were not Pakistani, what does he want to say about this now?.

They are in lockup on suspicion of charges. Pretty common thing.

 

[Awesome]

Has Pakistan handed over suspects to the US after Mushy's exit? I'm not sure of the details.

No report so far. The exchange had pretty much stopped during Mushy's time. At least no Pakistani would be handed over the US for sure.

If Pakistan has not been handing suspects over to the US, the perhaps you have grounds to argue that the sentiment in Pakistan has compelled the elected government to stop doing so.

It has.

Pakistan has no choice but to show that it is willing to and capable of preventing such things from happening in the future.

Step by step. We can't open another front right now. For now it should be limited to this mumbai attack only.

The alternative you're suggesting spells deaths for many Pakistanis.

Just like the Indian Government is under pressure to prove to both the Indian public and the world that it is capable of protecting the citizens of Mumbai.

Improve your internal security then. Just like how Pakistan is doing it. You can't change what happens on foreign soil.

You guys really have to do far more than simply arrest half a dozen suspects and wait for "evidence".

They are going to trial with or without Indian assistance.

Pakistani intelligence knows who did it, why they did it and how it was done.

Nope. They are carrying out their own independent investigation now that India has refused to cooperate in the investigation.

If certain allegations are to be believed, they even had a hand in planning it.

Don't believe them. Then we shouldn't even be having this discussion, but you should already be attacking us.

The charge that sufficient evidence was not provided is not going to fly with India at all.

It's going to fly with the Pakistani courts, unless India immediately rectifies that situation and starts to cooperate with Pakistan rather than act macho for their public's ego.

If a similar incident occurs again, the repercussions could be far worse for both nations. I hope that the government of Pakistan realizes that and acts accordingly.

You should control your internal security better.

 

[Flintlock]

I just saw Hamid Gul make a fool of himself in front of Fareed Zakaria.

Dear God....this is not the kind of publicity Pakistan needs right now....

Also, if people like him were/are incharge of the ISI, we're in for one helluva ride.

 

[Awesome]

I just saw Hamid Gul make a fool of himself in front of Fareed Zakaria.

Dear God....this is not the kind of publicity Pakistan needs right now....

Also, if people like him were/are incharge of the ISI, we're in for one helluva ride.

Where was that? He's a nut job an anti-Pak person. He doesn't like the current version of Pakistan and so keeps criticizing everything.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Here's Hamid Gul's interview with Zakaria:

Video - Breaking News Videos from CNN.com

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

I thought he did an excellent job of defending the Pakistani State and the ISI against charges that it was involved in Mumbai. His explanation of how the ISI is primarily staffed by officers seconded from their parent services for 2 to 3 years, after which they return to their respective services, was accurate and clear.

Don't really care for his opinions on 911, which is where he lost the Western audiences.

I agree with Asim though, Zakaria does have an anti-Pakistan tint.

He tried extremely hard to distort and skew the picture with his opening warning of 'disturbing views from a man in charge of the ISI', even though H Gul had been retired from the military for a decade before 911 occurred.

And his question on the 'sophistication' of the Mumbai attack indicating ISI involvement was completely a leading question, which Gul handled very well I thought.

 

[Flintlock]

^Well I thought the whole thing was a disaster.