The 2016 Epidemic of Afghan War Amnesia

[pakistani342]

I'd say good news -- stop the hemorrhaging of tax dollars on a lost cause.

Article on FP here, excerpts below:

There are reasons Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump aren’t talking about U.S. failures in Afghanistan. They're just not good reasons.

During the first two presidential debates, did you notice that neither Hillary Clinton nor Donald Trump ever uttered the word “Afghanistan”? One wonders how the 8,400 U.S. military personnel still serving in America’s longest war felt about that. When the two candidates vying to be commander in chief are not asked to state their views on a war the United States is still fighting and feel no necessity to raise it themselves, it tells you a lot about the bizarre political campaign we’ve been saddled with this year, as well as the cavalier way our country now regards a conflict we seem readier to forget than to end.

 

[Khan_21]

I'd say good news -- stop the hemorrhaging of tax dollars on a lost cause.

Article on FP here, excerpts below:

There are reasons Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump aren’t talking about U.S. failures in Afghanistan. They're just not good reasons.

During the first two presidential debates, did you notice that neither Hillary Clinton nor Donald Trump ever uttered the word “Afghanistan”? One wonders how the 8,400 U.S. military personnel still serving in America’s longest war felt about that. When the two candidates vying to be commander in chief are not asked to state their views on a war the United States is still fighting and feel no necessity to raise it themselves, it tells you a lot about the bizarre political campaign we’ve been saddled with this year, as well as the cavalier way our country now regards a conflict we seem readier to forget than to end.

They avoid talking about It because of news like this . Happened today .

http://abcnews.go.com/International/americans-killed-attack-kabul-afghanistan/story?id=42906237

 

[C130]

I'd say good news -- stop the hemorrhaging of tax dollars on a lost cause.

Article on FP here, excerpts below:

There are reasons Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump aren’t talking about U.S. failures in Afghanistan. They're just not good reasons.

During the first two presidential debates, did you notice that neither Hillary Clinton nor Donald Trump ever uttered the word “Afghanistan”? One wonders how the 8,400 U.S. military personnel still serving in America’s longest war felt about that. When the two candidates vying to be commander in chief are not asked to state their views on a war the United States is still fighting and feel no necessity to raise it themselves, it tells you a lot about the bizarre political campaign we’ve been saddled with this year, as well as the cavalier way our country now regards a conflict we seem readier to forget than to end.

Afghan is a lost cause. a non-Muslim country has no business trying to FIX it or make things worse.

 

[Sine Nomine]

Afghan is a lost cause. a non-Muslim country has no business trying to FIX it or make things worse.

So are you going to Pull Up....

 

[nangyale]

Afghan is a lost cause. a non-Muslim country has no business trying to FIX it or make things worse.

I think Afghanistan was lost because Bush wanted a quick solution, and the quickest way to defeat the Taliban Gov was to ally with the warlords of Northern Alliance. The same people who were responsible for the destruction of Afghanistan in the first place. As the report itself states.

Moreover, although relying on local warlords (the so-called Northern Alliance) made it possible to oust the Taliban quickly, it also empowered the same forces that bedeviled Afghan politics in the 1990s and have undermined reconstruction efforts since 2002.

 

[C130]

So are you going to Pull Up....

not my call.

 

[Rasengan]

Afghan is a lost cause. a non-Muslim country has no business trying to FIX it or make things worse.

@A-Team heed the advice of this American poster. You mean diddlysquat to them

 

[nangyale]

@A-Team heed the advice of this American poster. You mean diddlysquat to them

But that is the fact.
Other than creating troubles for Afghanistan neighbours and killing the locals for revenge their is no reason for the US to remain in Afghanistan.

 

[A-Team]

Afghan is a lost cause. a non-Muslim country has no business trying to FIX it or make things worse.

I disagree with that assessment, Afghanistan is a changed country if you compare to what it was when the Talis were driven out.
Talis wont define my future or that of Afghanistan, the last one decade of US and International presence has ensured that a new generation of Afghans in millions to get a chance to go to schools and learn how the world operates. I am one prodcut of that generation and I am as competitive as my peers in the region. If you look at Ashraf Ghani's office, more than 80 percent of them are the young men and women who have come about this last one decade of international presence.
We have done relatively well when the bulk of international forces have gone and face proxies of regional countries with full force, you need to understand that its not a civil or islamic conflict in Afghanistan its a regional conflict where one neighbour is trying projec power via proxies. That neighbour now realizes that her proxies are not gonna be able to win anything in Afghanistan and thus needs to pivot her polices vis-a-vis Afghanistan. The US and International community can help by forcing and expediting that change sooner than later which means holding their neighbours responsible.

The US/Afghans understand the importance of not failing in Afghanistan and thus the security and economic commitment till 2020, we will get our shit together by then as Ashraf Ghani / Afghans understand the importance of failure

So yeah people in the region wants you and the Afghan gov to fail but they will take dream to their graves.

As we speak Afghan commandos operate night missions, with Afghan air force doing over hundred missions each day, that shows there is capacity that has come about which one couldn't dream a decade ago.

As for civilians, as I mentioned we are as competitive as our peers in the region, and we know when the BS is being spoken [ from across the border ] about the international presence in Afghanistan.

/Peace

But that is the fact.
Other than creating troubles for Afghanistan neighbours and killing the locals for revenge their is no reason for the US to remain in Afghanistan.

That is the kind of BS I am talking about ( no offense meant ). Afghanistan has signed a strategic agreement with the US meaning, that they will stay here, and we want them to stay here. When we stand on our feet as it is happening right now, we will still be a strategic base of the US and Western forces. So let's get that straight.

So it is ok for communist China and Red russians to operate in Pakistan but it is bad bad for the US to stay in Afghanistan, that is double standards I am talking about.

 

[I.R.A]

We have done relatively well when the bulk of international forces have gone and face proxies of regional countries with full force, you need to understand that its not a civil or islamic conflict in Afghanistan its a regional conflict where one neighbour is trying projec power via proxies. That neighbour now realizes that her proxies are not gonna be able to win anything in Afghanistan and thus needs to pivot her polices vis-a-vis Afghanistan. The US and International community can help by forcing and expediting that change sooner than later which means holding their neighbours responsible.

Yes you truly are the new product that refuses to acknowledge the presence of Pashtun Afghans, and sees an easy way of escaping their problems is by blaming Pakistan. Good luck........ I find them more truthful when they said "You may have the watches but we have the time" and it surely proved that way.

 

[Rasengan]

But that is the fact.
Other than creating troubles for Afghanistan neighbours and killing the locals for revenge their is no reason for the US to remain in Afghanistan.

True, although Afghanistan does have tremendous amount of resources along with the other Central Asian nations. But more importantly the yanks wanted to disarm Pakistan's nuclear arsenal, yet they failed in the last 15 years. Now they want to leave the country with some dignity. Notice in the US election, Afghanistan was not mentioned once. @A-Team and his fellow countrymen have gone past their sale date.

 

[A-Team]

Yes you truly are the new product that refuses to acknowledge the presence of Pashtun Afghans, and sees an easy way of escaping their problems is by blaming Pakistan. Good luck........ I find them more truthful when they said "You may have the watches but we have the time" and it surely proved that way.

As an FYI, I am Pakhtoon so is Asrhaf Ghani.

So let's stop playing that card, you can do better. You are not talking to a Tali from a madrassa here who mostly have strategic understanding of a monkey

/Peace

 

[Khan_21]

I disagree with that assessment, Afghanistan is a changed country if you compare to what it was when the Talis were driven out.
Talis wont define my future or that of Afghanistan, the last one decade of US and International presence has ensured that a new generation of Afghans in millions to get a chance to go to schools and learn how the world operates. I am one prodcut of that generation and I am as competitive as my peers in the region. If you look at Ashraf Ghani's office, more than 80 percent of them are the young men and women who have come about this last one decade of international presence.
We have done relatively well when the bulk of international forces have gone and face proxies of regional countries with full force, you need to understand that its not a civil or islamic conflict in Afghanistan its a regional conflict where one neighbour is trying projec power via proxies. That neighbour now realizes that her proxies are not gonna be able to win anything in Afghanistan and thus needs to pivot her polices vis-a-vis Afghanistan. The US and International community can help by forcing and expediting that change sooner than later which means holding their neighbours responsible.

The US/Afghans understand the importance of not failing in Afghanistan and thus the security and economic commitment till 2020, we will get our shit together by then as Ashraf Ghani / Afghans understand the importance of failure

So yeah people in the region wants you and the Afghan gov to fail but they will take dream to their graves.

As we speak Afghan commandos operate night missions, with Afghan air force doing over hundred missions each day, that shows there is capacity that has come about which one couldn't dream a decade ago.

As for civilians, as I mentioned we are as competitive as our peers in the region, and we know when the BS is being spoken [ from across the border ] about the international presence in Afghanistan.

/Peace



That is the kind of BS I am talking about ( no offense meant ). Afghanistan has signed a strategic agreement with the US meaning, that they will stay here, and we want them to stay here. When we stand on our feet as it is happening right now, we will still be a strategic base of the US and Western forces. So let's get that straight.

So it is ok for communist China and Red russians to operate in Pakistan but it is bad bad for the US to stay in Afghanistan, that is double standards I am talking about.

Lol dont joke around. No afghan wants them to stay apart from the elite. If you go on the streets of Afghanistan and ask the people they will reply they are kufaar and they need to go ( yeap thats how they respond) .

The difference is communists come here for military drills and go back after a month . How are you comparing that with a full fledged invasion and staying in the country for 16 years?

 

[A-Team]

Lol dont joke around. No afghan wants them to stay apart from the elite. If you go on the streets of Afghanistan and ask the people they will reply they are kufaar and they need to go ( yeap thats how they respond) .

The difference is communists come here for military drills and go back after a month . How are you comparing that with a full fledged invasion and staying in the country for 16 years?

And you know this being a Pakistani and sitting in Malaysia, thank you for deciding on behalf of Afghans but luckily the US and the world in general is not run by idiots. This massive assistance until 2020 shows that the Pakistani narrative vis-a-vis Afghanistan has failed and the world believes in Afghan investment.

The Afghan parliament and the NUG ratified the treaty in a matter of days because we understand the importance of international presence.

 

[Khan_21]

And you know this being a Pakistani and sitting in Malaysia, thank you for deciding on behalf of Afghans but luckily the US and the world in general is not run by idiots. This massive assistance until 2020 shows that the Pakistani narrative vis-a-vis Afghanistan has failed and the world believes in Afghan investment.

The Afghan parliament and the NUG ratified the treaty in a matter of days because we understand the importance of international presence.

You don't have to be inside Afghanistan to know the whole picture . There is a thing called Media. I follow your talk shows and they aren't kind to American presence .