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@ xenia
At the end of the day coal is the largest source of Co2 emissions be it UCG or CBM. the gasification is source of both gaseous and liquid pollutants and can posses an environmental risk to groundwater in adjacent strata. As for international standards, most UCG plants targets coal seams which lies in an area of permanently unsuitable water.

A array of risk management tools will be required to keep pollution containable which will exponentially increase the cost of the energy produce. i hate to break the bad news but this energy is not as cheap as it is marketed.
 
Thar coal test burn


By Ashfak Bokhari

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Dr Samar Mubarakmand is engaged in Block 5 of Thar Coalfield to produce electricity from coal through gasification process. — File Photo

THE decision to carry out the test burn of coal earlier than the scheduled date of March next year under the Underground Coal Gasification Project is good news. The need for converting coal into electricity to overcome the ever-aggravating power crisis has never been as urgent as it is today.

Dr Samar Mubarakmand, the nuclear scientist, who runs the UGC is also a member of the Planning Commission dealing with this project. The decision to revisit the test burn date was taken after he met President Zardari before his departure for China.

The scientist is engaged in Block 5 of Thar Coalfield to produce electricity from coal through gasification process, which after an initial test burn of three to five megawatts, will be scaled up to 100 megawatts. In February, Dr Mubarakmand had said at a seminar in Hyderabad that Thar coal deposits will take another three to four years to be put to use for producing power. But perhaps it may take less time now.

Coal deposits worth 175-185 billion tonnes of lignite were discovered by the Geological Survey of Pakistan (GSP) in Thar in 1992 and the good news was that these were so vast in quantity that they could guarantee self-sufficiency in energy for 200 years. But, sadly enough, they are still lying in deserts like a huge waste for various bureaucratic, economic and political reasons. Several bodies and committees were formed and dismissed, some blocks allocated to foreign firms and then cancelled. In recent years, one witnessed a prolonged power tussle between the Sindh government and the Centre over the control of Thar deposits. Finally, Sindh politicians won the battle but the coal remains to be mined.

Thar project has assumed urgency at a time when coal is losing its appeal as a cheaper energy source because of its major contribution to global warming. Now it is called ‘dirty fuel’. In most countries such as the US, China, Europe and India, coal has been and still is a great source of energy but they are now taking measures to cut down its share in their energy mix. Coal generates about half of all electricity in the US but by 2035, its share will get reduced to 44 per cent. Coal-fired generation will gradually change. The ultimate goal is elimination of coal-fired plants to do away with their gas emissions. Future belongs to coal gasification but it is a costly proposition.

However, Pakistan can still opt for coal-fired plants because it is not a big polluter and its contribution to gas emissions is hardly one per cent. The government has already taken an initiative by constituting a ministerial committee for coordination with key federal ministers in order to seek international financing in infrastructure development schemes. But seeking such investments can be problematic because of growing reluctance of western countries to promote coal-based projects.

Besides, international lending bodies are under pressure from environmental groups to refrain from funding such projects. The World Bank has been accused of “incoherence” in its energy policy. It invested record sums last year in coal power, the most carbon intensive form of energy, despite its international commitments to slash the carbon emissions.

The World Bank said in September that a total of $3.4bn – or a quarter of all funding for energy projects – was spent in the year to June 2010 helping to build new coal-fired power stations, including a controversial plant in South Africa. Over the same period the bank also spent $1bn on looking and drilling for oil and gas. The bank is seeking to gain control of the billions which will be channelled to developing countries to help them cope with global warming and, at the same time, it is still lending large sums to finance coal-fired plants.

Globally, the share of coal in power generation is 38 per cent, compared to 0.1 per cent in Pakistan. It is strange that while developed nations discourage power generation through coal in developing countries, none of them is willing to abandon its own coal plants. With newer methods of gasification of coal underground, the pollution can be lowered drastically. A chemical analysis of the Thar reserves shows that not only it is a good quality lignite, it has a lot of moisture in it, further benefiting the gasification process.

According to Sindh Chief Minister Syed Qaim Ali Shah, the completion of two initial bankable feasibility studies of Thar coal project is a significant headway. Together with these, the ‘landmark October 15 approval’ of fiscal incentive package by the federal cabinet’s Economic Coordination Committee would enable the ‘stakeholders to give impetus to the fast-track development of the coal deposits’.

Under the package, the investors would be exempted for 30 years from customs duties on import of coal mining and construction machinery at Thar, get exemption on withholding tax and other levies such as WWF, WPPF and federal excise duty. Sindh government is launching its first public-private venture with Sindh Engro Coal Mining Company and would soon start infrastructure development in Thar.

The Planning Commission has launched a project for the conversion of underground coal in Tharparkar into coal gas without bringing coal on the ground. Capital investment at the Underground Coal Gasification (UCG) based power generation system is about $1 per KWH for small plants of less than 100 MW and about $0.8 per KWH for larger plants of 500MW capacity. Several thousand megawatts energy is already being generated in several countries such as Russia, Central Asian States, Europe, Canada, Australia, China and South Africa from UCG system.

During the current fiscal year, an allocation of Rs8 billion had been made in Sindh for critical infrastructure projects relating to the project — Rs4 billion for water supply, Rs2 billion each for effluent disposal and laying of transmission lines — besides an allocation of Rs2 billion to fund management house for coal development to secure the equity required for the project.

Keep forming feasibility committees for another 10 years.
When u know that it is profitable for all investors and investment is also low, Forming committees is just a ploy to delay the important projects.
Also , why r u giving tax exemptions for such long time like 30 years or 40 years,? foreign companies are investing for their own profit, they are not doing any favour to pakistani people.
 
Keep forming feasibility committees for another 10 years.
When u know that it is profitable for all investors and investment is also low, Forming committees is just a ploy to delay the important projects.
Also , why r u giving tax exemptions for such long time like 30 years or 40 years,? foreign companies are investing for their own profit, they are not doing any favour to pakistani people.
where are you reading from Sir? :woot:

The news posted in the first post talks nothing as such :no:
 
It is not that our engineers or scientists don't have ability to work on such project, there are only two obstacles, one is Political decisions they always put this national interest in side line, and second is we need heavy machinery for such projects that we can get only through foreign countries.
 
@ xenia
At the end of the day coal is the largest source of Co2 emissions be it UCG or CBM. the gasification is source of both gaseous and liquid pollutants and can posses an environmental risk to groundwater in adjacent strata. As for international standards, most UCG plants targets coal seams which lies in an area of permanently unsuitable water.

A array of risk management tools will be required to keep pollution containable which will exponentially increase the cost of the energy produce. i hate to break the bad news but this energy is not as cheap as it is marketed.

Thar is an arid land which has a mostly nomadic population, risks are mitigated by virtue of this deposit being in such a geographical location with very few habitable areas.
This project is potentially a life line for Pakistan, make no mistake about it.
 
Thar is an arid land which has a mostly nomadic population, risks are mitigated by virtue of this deposit being in such a geographical location with very few habitable areas.

Agreed but what about the contamination of groundwater. Thar does have groundwater reserves and liquid pollutants posses an environmental risk to Indus basin and populace living around it close.


This project is potentially a life line for Pakistan, make no mistake about it.

This project is way too costly and will take years to actually reach its potential . People need to stop portraying it as only savior to our energy crisis’s. in the end to each his own.
 
Keep forming feasibility committees for another 10 years.
When u know that it is profitable for all investors and investment is also low, Forming committees is just a ploy to delay the important projects.
Also , why r u giving tax exemptions for such long time like 30 years or 40 years,? foreign companies are investing for their own profit, they are not doing any favour to pakistani people.

In the current climate no sane company wants to invest in pak8istan due to political and other difficulties. So the tax benefits.I cant confirm or deny whether someone is putting up a front and creaming profits for their own benefits.
Araz
 
 
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Have no doubts about this reserve... It is massive and a tremendous source of potential wealth for Pakistan...

Be vigilant... Let us make sure they dont sell this off to some multinational company under our noses for a cheap price... like they have been trying to do with Reko Diq...
 
Does anyone know if this reserve can be used to make oil? I dont know the details for the kind of coal you need for that process...
 
Does anyone know if this reserve can be used to make oil? I dont know the details for the kind of coal you need for that process...

Fuel oil (diesel and petrol) can be made from coal.

In South Africa 30% of all fuel needed is made indigenously from coal.

South African firms are leaders in this field, a large plant was made by them in China.

The problem is partly economic, it is only financially feasible if the price of oil is above $35 per barrel, ( currently its in the $70's ).

Since fuel/oil is one of the country's biggest imports, it would make sense to explore this avenue.

My two cents.
 
@ xenia
At the end of the day coal is the largest source of Co2 emissions be it UCG or CBM. the gasification is source of both gaseous and liquid pollutants and can posses an environmental risk to groundwater in adjacent strata. As for international standards, most UCG plants targets coal seams which lies in an area of permanently unsuitable water.

A array of risk management tools will be required to keep pollution containable which will exponentially increase the cost of the energy produce. i hate to break the bad news but this energy is not as cheap as it is marketed.

Do u know about UCG process ? Coal is burned underground and the resultant gas is used for producing electricity. There is no Co2 emissions in UCG ( Underground Coal Gasification ) process.
Do u also oppose American coal projects bcoz US also fulfils almost 50% of its energy needs from Coal.
Opposition to Thar Coal project is just a ploy to delay it. The whole world is burning Coal. And Pakistan is burning not even 1 % .
I think Pakistanis trust Dr. Samar Mubarakmand. According to him, there are no environmental problems in Thar Coal UCG project. Pakistanis dont trust u.
 
Have no doubts about this reserve... It is massive and a tremendous source of potential wealth for Pakistan...

Be vigilant... Let us make sure they dont sell this off to some multinational company under our noses for a cheap price... like they have been trying to do with Reko Diq...

If pakistanis dont protest on roads and only sit in homes watching talk shows, This Thar Coal reserves are sure to Go.
 
Have no doubts about this reserve... It is massive and a tremendous source of potential wealth for Pakistan...

Be vigilant... Let us make sure they dont sell this off to some multinational company under our noses for a cheap price... like they have been trying to do with Reko Diq...

Remember Lawyers Movement, Anti Pakistan elements are afraid of these type of movements. If u start similar protests for increasing prices of petrol, gas ( actually everything ) , u can expect some success, relief.
 
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