Thanks to Democracy; PML (N) is likely to form government again

[Hamzay]

Is this the first time when a democratically elected government in Pakistan is completing its full term in office?

If yes, seems like NS has finally tamed the mighty generals. Generals no longer dare to depose the PM.

There are many factors. It's not about taming the generals. It's Nawaz's luck that Raheel Sharif brought stability by hunting down Indian/Afghan/American terrorists in tribal areas, Karachi and Balochistan. Nawaz Sharif took the credit of this though the credit goes to our military leadership. Number two, yes economy was handled better than it was under Zardari. When there's improved law and order and people have food and money, it's not easy to topple the so called democracy.

As far as I remember right Quaid.e.Azam didnt want to promote Ayub Khan during his life time. Infact he wanted to freeze his carrer and wrote a little note about the then young gentleman, Ayub Khan and his political ambitions.

Just a theory. Practically it didn't happen, did it?

Because of him, we missed two chances to liberate Kashmir: one in 1962, when India was on war with China and then in 1966, when we lost all the terrority gained and a chance to bargain for Kashmir, on a table in Tashkent.

Ayub Khan was not Alexander the Great. At least he tried his best to liberate Kashmir; but Kashmiris themselves were not willing to get rid of Hindu rule. They stabbed in the back of Pakistan and supported Indian troops to capture our intruders in the valley. Please read history.

 

[Imad.Khan]

I live in Karachi. I know what Karachi was like under Zardari. And you can't tell me anything about Karachi that I'm not aware of.

Number two. Food stuffs and other commodities are not expensive if they are not cheaper. As a common man, I don't worry much about figures and data that are played with by politicians to pull each others' legs.

Model Town incident was too bad, but sadly neither PAT nor PTI think it was a more serious issue than the rest. Actually there are many important issues faced to Pakistan but the ruling elites and opposition are playing leg pulling games with each other.

Imran Khan is a villain and crook because he's interested in becoming the Prime Minister only. For four years he's been spreading chaos in the country and everyone is running after election rigging or Panama cases forgetting about hundreds of issues. I also believe that Imran Khan is an agent of the Zionists who has been working to keep Pakistan in political chaos because it will benefit the enemies.

Lol i am from Karachi too and i was there from April till 22nd May, so i also know what it is the situation there and your logic for calling IK a villian and a crook for wanting to become the PM is ridiculous to say the least. Every politician everywhere in the world tries to win elections so that they can implement their agenda. All IK has done is bring out the truth about NS and his crooked family. if it wasn't for him the musical chair of looting Pakistan would have continued between Zardari and NS unhindered.

As for stats and data that you don't worry about, those are the only way to find out how the country is progressing. In Australia for instance all data is readily published for general public and they spend alot of time authenticating them and discussing on how to improve on them. Without these data and figures NS could claim that Pakistan is Jannat and people like you will go "aik bar phir say Sher".

 

[Kabira]

Is this the first time when a democratically elected government in Pakistan is completing its full term in office?

If yes, seems like NS has finally tamed the mighty generals. Generals no longer dare to depose the PM.

Not first but 2nd. Generals are quite stupid people in general. They can't do much because only way Pakistan can be saved is through industrialisation and economic well being of people. Generals fail at both unless west give them aid to do their dirty job. Under generals Pakistan would have been at war with Yemen in no time.

China said they wouldn't have invested in CPEC if Nawaz was not PM. They didn't bother between 2008-2013 which was worst period in Pakistan history as far as economic development is concerned and terrorism. Pakistan was about to be broken up but saved by Nawaz Sharif operation against terrorism and economic development.

 

[Imad.Khan]

? Karachi law and order is better then it has ever been. Debt to GDP ratio is 59% which is lower then in 2013. Foreign debt increased from $48b to $58b between 2013 and now, which isn't much.

Thank you @Save_Ghenda for your fake stats as usual. here are the true stats

Current Pakistan foreign debt = $75.4Billion
Reference:
https://tradingeconomics.com/pakistan/external-debt

Projected foreign debt is $110Biliion in 4 years and also public debt-to-GDP ratio is at 66.5 percent in the last fiscal year.For a developing country like Pakistan, a debt-to-GDP ratio below 50 percent is considered sustainable. Anything above this threshold is counted as dangerous in the long term, according to economists.
Reference:
http://www.business-standard.com/ar...t-four-years-warn-experts-117020300875_1.html

 

[Kabira]

Ayub Khan was not Alexander the Great. At least he tried his best to liberate Kashmir; but Kashmiris themselves were not willing to get rid of Hindu rule. They stabbed in the back of Pakistan and supported Indian troops to capture our intruders in the valley. Please read history.

This is true, unfortunately Pakistanis don't read history. 40's-60's era Kashmiris or at least their leaders were weird people, they didn't rise at the right time unlike Gilgitis and people in AJK. Now not sure what throwing stones would get them somewhere, all signs were there that one day India will be hindutva nation. And so called promise of referendum by secular India will remain just that.

Pakistan isn't the most perfect country on earth but Kashmiris would have felt at home with Pakistan. They just didn't get the message across. There were unionts and bacha khans in Pakistan as well at that time but people voted them out when the time was right.

Thank you @Save_Ghenda for your fake stats as usual. here are the true stats

Current Pakistan foreign debt = $75.4Billion
Reference:
https://tradingeconomics.com/pakistan/external-debt

Projected foreign debt is $110Biliion in 4 years and also public debt-to-GDP ratio is at 66.5 percent in the last fiscal year.For a developing country like Pakistan, a debt-to-GDP ratio below 50 percent is considered sustainable. Anything above this threshold is counted as dangerous in the long term, according to economists.
Reference:
http://www.business-standard.com/ar...t-four-years-warn-experts-117020300875_1.html

Clarifying the misconceptions about the public debt, the Finance Minister said that the foreign debt which was 48.1 billion dollars in 2013 stands at 58.4 billion dollars now.

He said according to a transition plan, the debt to GDP ratio would be reduced to 50 per cent during next fifteen years.
http://www.radio.gov.pk/14-Jun-2017...after-developing-consensus-with-provinces-dar

59.2% is public debt.

http://www.finance.gov.pk/budget/Budget in Brief 2017-18.pdf

Remember Pakistan GDP is expected to increase by 25% after world bank latest study. Debt to GDP ratio will come down further after that.

 

[Imad.Khan]

This is true, unfortunately Pakistanis don't read history. 40's-60's era Kashmiris or at least their leaders were weird people, they didn't rise at the right time unlike Gilgitis and people in AJK. Now not sure what throwing stones would get them somewhere, all signs were there that one day India will be hindutva nation. And so called promise of referendum by secular India will remain just that.

Pakistan isn't the most perfect country on earth but Kashmiris would have felt at home with Pakistan. They just didn't get the message across. There were unionts and bacha khans in Pakistan as well at that time but people voted them out when the time was right.



Clarifying the misconceptions about the public debt, the Finance Minister said that the foreign debt which was 48.1 billion dollars in 2013 stands at 58.4 billion dollars now.

He said according to a transition plan, the debt to GDP ratio would be reduced to 50 per cent during next fifteen years.
http://www.radio.gov.pk/14-Jun-2017...after-developing-consensus-with-provinces-dar

59.2% is public debt.

http://www.finance.gov.pk/budget/Budget in Brief 2017-18.pdf

Remember Pakistan GDP is expected to increase by 25% after world bank latest study. Debt to GDP ratio will come down further after that.

I will never trust what Dar says, he was caught manipulating data to IMF

https://tribune.com.pk/story/946260...g-govts-numbers-on-last-years-fiscal-deficit/

 

[Kabira]

I will never trust what Dar says, he was caught manipulating data to IMF

https://tribune.com.pk/story/946260...g-govts-numbers-on-last-years-fiscal-deficit/

You can't manipulate public debt data

Also that article is talking about deficit being lower because it didn't include circular debt. Its isn't even fudging really, just opposition being stupid as usual.

 

[Hareeb]

Just a theory. Practically it didn't happen, did it?

Yeah! Its just a theory for you.

http://m.rediff.com/news/slide-show...-china-kuldip-nayar-book-excerpt/20120706.htm
https://www.google.com/amp/s/tribun...vulnerable-india-in-62-ex-cia-official/?amp=1

Ayub Khan was not Alexander the Great. At least he tried his best to liberate Kashmir; but Kashmiris themselves were not willing to get rid of Hindu rule. They stabbed in the back of Pakistan and supported Indian troops to capture our intruders in the valley. Please read history.

What I meant to say was he missed the golden chance in 1962 by not invading Kashmir.

 

[Imad.Khan]

You can't manipulate public debt data

Also that article is talking about deficit being lower because it didn't include circular debt. Its isn't even fudging really, just opposition being stupid as usual.

Dar is a liar, this article shows that he manipulated the figures to show that Pakistan economy is better than what it really is and thats the reason that IMF decided to open up investigation.

Regarding Foreign debt what i shared was from an independent international economic website, while you are just quoting an interview of liar Dar.

Also Moody's Investors Service is predicting Pakistan foreign Debt to reach $79B by end of this month
https://tribune.com.pk/story/140456...ernal-debt-will-increase-79-billion-june-end/

Here is another independent international economic and what does there stats show..........oh look its $75.74B
https://ieconomics.com/pakistan-external-debt

Here is the report from State Bank of Pakistan Nov 2016 release and even it shows that on Dec 2016 Pak External Debt was at $61.48B which is significantly higher than what Dar is claiming in his interview.

http://www.sbp.org.pk/reports/quarterly/fy17/Second/Complete.pdf

So even SBP report confirms that Dar is a liar

 

[Kabira]

Opposition never give duo credit to Nawaz Sharif for saving this country. I mean look at PTI claiming credit.

"Mr Khattak said industrialists and investors were fleeing the province in 2013 due to lawlessness, extortion and kidnapping for ransom.

He said the situation was serious when the PTI formed government in the province in 2013 as the system wasn’t delivering.

“However, the God helped us. Now, the situation has largely improved,” he said, adding that extortion and kidnapping had been controlled to a great extent, while investors had returned. The CM gave its credit to the Pakistan Army, police and other law-enforcement agencies for improving the law and order situation in the province."
https://www.dawn.com/news/1339887/army-being-engaged-to-stop-illegal-forest-harvesting-cm

Really? God helped you . Taliban Khan came with agenda of installing taliban in Islamabad because apparently they can't be defeated by one of most power armies in world so lets make them friends. All it needed it political backing from national leader Nawaz for army to take them out.

Not only Nawaz Sharif saved KPK but also saved Karachi. He came with clear agenda and delivered. He also saved FATA and Balochistan.

Dar is a liar, this article shows that he manipulated the figures to show that Pakistan economy is better than what it really is and thats the reason that IMF decided to open up investigation.

Regarding Foreign debt what i shared was from an independent international economic website, while you are just quoting an interview of liar Dar.

Also Moody's Investors Service is predicting Pakistan foreign Debt to reach $79B by end of this month
https://tribune.com.pk/story/140456...ernal-debt-will-increase-79-billion-june-end/

Here is another independent international economic and what does there stats show..........oh look its $75.74B
https://ieconomics.com/pakistan-external-debt

Here is the report from State Bank of Pakistan Nov 2016 release and even it shows that on Dec 2016 Pak External Debt was at $61.48B which is significantly higher than what Dar is claiming in his interview.

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http://www.sbp.org.pk/reports/quarterly/fy17/Second/Complete.pdf

So even SBP report confirms that Dar is a liar

Foreign debt is $58b now. It was likely 61b last year but we are talking about present. Use some common sense and think beyond political parties.

Imagine Pakistan foreign debt is $100b taken from ADB/IMF/WB etc but on budget documents Dar writes $50b. Do you think they will let Pakistan get away? Pakistan allocated Rs13-15 trillion for debt serving in upcoming budget.

 

[Imad.Khan]

Opposition never give duo credit to Nawaz Sharif for saving this country. I mean look at PTI claiming credit.

"Mr Khattak said industrialists and investors were fleeing the province in 2013 due to lawlessness, extortion and kidnapping for ransom.

He said the situation was serious when the PTI formed government in the province in 2013 as the system wasn’t delivering.

“However, the God helped us. Now, the situation has largely improved,” he said, adding that extortion and kidnapping had been controlled to a great extent, while investors had returned. The CM gave its credit to the Pakistan Army, police and other law-enforcement agencies for improving the law and order situation in the province."
https://www.dawn.com/news/1339887/army-being-engaged-to-stop-illegal-forest-harvesting-cm

Really? God helped you . Taliban Khan came with agenda of installing taliban in Islamabad because apparently they can't be defeated by one of most power armies in world so lets make them friends. All it needed it political backing from national leader Nawaz for army to take them out.

Not only Nawaz Sharif saved KPK but also saved Karachi. He came with clear agenda and delivered. He also saved FATA and Balochistan.



Foreign debt is $58b now. It was likely 61b last year but we are talking about present. Use some common sense and think beyond political parties.

Imagine Pakistan foreign debt is $100b taken from ADB/IMF/WB etc but on budget documents it write $50b. Do you think they will let Pakistan get away? Pakistan allocated Rs13-15 trillion for debt serving in upcoming budget.

Lol on your troll post on PTI, you think its due to NS that KPK is performing. Did he do the police reforms? Did he do the education reforms? Did he do fix the bureaucracy in KPK? What did NS actually do in KPK except he tried to build a bridge that came tumbling down as soon as he inaugurated it. CM khattak is right the credit goes to the Army and then KPK police for the law and order situation in KPK. Also before calling IK Taliban Khan check these out

And as for 2nd part of your post you think all the international economic websites that i shared are false while you are accepting Dar's claim without any documented backing and you call that common sense.

 

[Kabira]

Lol on your troll post on PTI, you think its due to NS that KPK is performing. Did he do the police reforms? Did he do the education reforms? Did he do fix the bureaucracy in KPK? What did NS actually do in KPK except he tried to build a bridge that came tumbling down as soon as he inaugurated it. CM khattak is right the credit goes to the Army and then KPK police for the law and order situation in KPK. Also before calling IK Taliban Khan check these out

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And as for 2nd part of your post you think all the international economic websites that i shared are false while you are accepting Dar's claim without any documented backing and you call that common sense.

What is KPK single biggest problem? isn't police, bureaucracy, government etc These are similar in all of Pakistan.

KP biggest problem is security. When you need 10 guards for industrial unit for which you only need 1 in punjab then obviously people will run away and with them take $$. No one will go there to invest when other secure options exist. This isn't me saying but what industrialists in KP said.

On average kidnappings of businessmen in KP were highest before Nawaz Sharif. Make KP secure and see in 10 years where it will be standing. Now Taliban Khan have completely changed his stance but I remember in 2013 he was dead serious against any operation against terrorists. Success has many fathers.

 

[Imad.Khan]

What is KPK single biggest problem? isn't police, bureaucracy, government etc These are similar in all of Pakistan.

KP biggest problem is security. When you need 10 guards for industrial unit for which you only need 1 in punjab then obviously people will run away and with them take $$. No one will go there to invest when other secure options exist. This isn't me saying but what industrialists in KP said.

On average kidnappings of businessmen in KP were highest before Nawaz Sharif. Make KP secure and see in 10 years where it will be standing. Now Taliban Khan have completely changed his stance but I remember in 2013 he was dead serious against any operation against terrorists. Success has many fathers.

Wait you first say that police isn't the biggest issue of KPK but then claim that security is the biggest issue. So who do you think is suppose to catch the criminals and provide security, Gullu Butt?

Also please enlighten us all on how NS fixed the kidnapping issue that you mentioned?

And if IK is Taliban Khan so that makes NS and SS Taliban sharifs going by what they had quoted previously.

 

[SBD-3]

Shaikh Rasheed met Bilawal Zardari yesterday and called for a grand opposition electoral alliance. TuQ is also calling for the same. 2018 will be Nawaz Sharif vs Anti-Nawaz et al.

“They (Sharifs) are so powerful and influential that nobody alone in Pakistan could challenge their authoritarianism. Sharifs had looted the resources and made billions of rupees through corruption by staying in power. Poor people and state is helpless before their corrupt practices,” he alleged and called for the unity of political forces and masses to challenge the authority of ruling family.

According to Dr Qadri, the efforts would badly fail if someone thinks to compete with the PML-N by making struggle alone. Elaborating his point, he said PML-N always managed electoral victory from Punjab with the power of police and bureaucracy and later it made alliance with different groups from other provinces to occupy the centre.

Punjab, he said, always remained at their (PML-N) focus to control the federation. And, he added, it was not easy to defeat the ruling party from the country’s biggest province whose all resources were in its control. So, he emphasised, there was a dire need that political forces became united against the “evil force.”

Sheikh Rashid, on occasion, hoped that an opposition alliance would be formed against the PML-N after Eid. The politician from Rawalpindi predicted that Supreme Court would disqualify Sharifs in Panama case.
http://nation.com.pk/lahore/16-Jun-2017/qadri-calls-nawaz-appearance-a-drama

 

[Zibago]

Vote Nawaz Sharif if you want to make Pakistan a vessel state like Bangladesh. Vote IK if you it to become a free state.

Corrected

Is this the first time when a democratically elected government in Pakistan is completing its full term in office?

Nope