Thai Defence & Economy Forum

[Jugger]

Congratulations, this is the best sub available with all the required bells and whistles. Good job Thailand.

 

[Hindustani78]

Thailand and China have signed a contract on the delivery of the first of three submarines that Thailand's naval forces plan to purchase from Beijing over the course of the next 11 years, media reported Friday.
https://sputniknews.com/military/201705051053327538-bangkok-beijing-contract-submarine/
BANGKOK (Sputnik) — According to the Bangkok Post newspaper, the representatives of the Royal Thai Navy and Chinese state enterprise China Shipbuilding & Offshore International Co (CSOC) signed the document in Beijing. China introduced no changes to the version of the contract, which was edited by the Thai attorney-general, the daily added.

Under the contract, Thailand will buy three Yuan Class S26T submarines worth a total of around 36 billion baht ($1 billion), with 700 million baht ($20.2 million) due to be paid within 45 days. The first submarine is expected to be delivered within six years. China also agreed to provide CM-708 missiles, which can be fired from the submarine over a range of 290 kilometers (180 miles), free of charge.

On April 18, Thailand’s cabinet of ministers approved, in secrecy, the decision to acquire a 13.5 billion baht ($390 million) submarine from China and two more over the next 11 years. As a result, a large number of activists, politicians and members of society raised concerns over the impact of the submarine purchases on the national economy and defense budget, as the deal may deprive the country of its military budget in case of emergencies, while the expediency of the submarines in general were also questioned. On April 28, local media reported that Thailand’s Office of the Auditor-General (OAG) decided to launch a probe into the Royal Thai Navy’s plans to purchase three submarines from China due to the strong criticism which came after the deal was struck upon the petition of one of the activists.

 

[Nabil365]

Both Thailand and Bangladesh recent submarine procurement have sent panic among the Burmese armed personnel.We should continue squeezing their economy like lemon.

 

[Beast]

Both Thailand and Bangladesh recent submarine procurement have sent panic among the Burmese armed personnel.We should continue squeezing their economy like lemon.

I am quite sure, Myanmar will go for Kilo sub.

 

[TaiShang]

I am quite sure, Myanmar will go for Kilo sub.

Myanmar is a strategic neighbour of China. Thailand deal is not intended to squeeze or pressure them. We just got our second pipeline going.

What Myanmar needs is support and a friendly attitude to solve their separatist problem. Peaceful and united Myanmar in the long term interest of China.

China separates the issue near borders from the religion-based separatism in the south.

 

[Offshore]

Myanmar is a strategic neighbour of China. Thailand deal is not intended to squeeze or pressure them. We just got our second pipeline going.

What Myanmar needs is support and a friendly attitude to solve their separatist problem. Peaceful and united Myanmar in the long term interest of China.

China separates the issue near borders from the religion-based separatism in the south.

Myanmar is Our fence.. of course we want them stable and united..

 

[Daniel808]

Both Thailand and Bangladesh recent submarine procurement have sent panic among the Burmese armed personnel.We should continue squeezing their economy like lemon.

The question is, can they afford an arms race with Bangladeshi and Thailand?

Bangladesh GDP Nominal in 2017 will reach 226 Billion usd, meanwhile Burmese economy in this year only 68 Billion usd.
IMF Projected in 2020 Bangladeshi economy will reach 300 billion usd, and in 2023 will pass 400 billion usd.
Bangladesh economy have great potential, and also you are part of One Belt One Road Mega-Project with Chinese Investment in Bangaldeshi Infrastructure.
I am sure, Bangladesh economy will become much bigger than IMF projection.

8x Yuan Class AIP Subs will not be a problem for Bangladeshi Navy in the next years

 

[Flynn Swagmire]

The question is, can they afford an arms race with Bangladeshi and Thailand?

Bangladesh GDP Nominal in 2017 will reach 226 Billion usd, meanwhile Burmese economy in this year only 68 Billion usd.
IMF Projected in 2020 Bangladeshi economy will reach 300 billion usd, and in 2023 will pass 400 billion usd.
Bangladesh economy have great potential, and also you are part of One Belt One Road Mega-Project with Chinese Investment in Bangaldeshi Infrastructure.
I am sure, Bangladesh economy will become much bigger than IMF projection.

8x Yuan Class AIP Subs will not be a problem for Bangladeshi Navy in the next years

Obviously they can! They got supa pawa India (since 2012) with them. Together they will crush Bangladesh...

 

[Jlaw]

Both Thailand and Bangladesh recent submarine procurement have sent panic among the Burmese armed personnel.We should continue squeezing their economy like lemon.

Burmese military is not worth mentioning. The kokang rebels of Chinese origin is giving them a run for their money.

Myanmar is a strategic neighbour of China. Thailand deal is not intended to squeeze or pressure them. We just got our second pipeline going.

What Myanmar needs is support and a friendly attitude to solve their separatist problem. Peaceful and united Myanmar in the long term interest of China.

China separates the issue near borders from the religion-based separatism in the south.

Myanmar is in bed with US, while feigning pity to scam money from china. They are not China's partner. BD and Thailand are the real partners of China

 

[TaiShang]

Myanmar is in bed with US, while feigning pity to scam money from china. They are not China's partner. BD and Thailand are the real partners of China

In any case, no reason to show hostility in the form of intervening in their internal affairs. The two pipelines are now fully online and that's all that matters. Some BD members' criticism toward Myanmar is of sectarian/religious origin (in bed with Saudis?). China's cannot be played by that in the same manner it cannot be played by a Myanmar in bed with US.

 

[Shotgunner51]

Guys let's stay on Thailand or submarine, let's not derail further.

 

[Aung Zaya]

Congratz..!! Thailand

I am quite sure, Myanmar will go for Kilo sub.

kilo is not available now. bro Russian amur class is too expensive.
if MM go for sub , it's sure it will be Chinese one. bro

In any case, no reason to show hostility in the form of intervening in their internal affairs. The two pipelines are now fully online and that's all that matters. Some BD members' criticism toward Myanmar is of sectarian/religious origin (in bed with Saudis?). China's cannot be played by that in the same manner it cannot be played by a Myanmar in bed with US.

agreed.. bro
Myanmar need Chinese investment to improve its economy and China can use Myanmar as shortest and Cheapest way to B.o.B for its Southern states avoiding malacca strait.. it's win-win solution.

 

[somsak]

Siamese had 3 submarines during WW2. Its brand is Mitsubishi

 

[Shotgunner51]

kilo is not available now. bro Russian amur class is too expensive.
if MM go for sub , it's sure it will be Chinese one. bro

Agree, I would say 039A variant like S26T would be most suitable, though perhaps will happen some years down the road when fiscal room allows.

agreed.. bro
Myanmar need Chinese investment to improve its economy and China can use Myanmar as shortest and Cheapest way to B.o.B for its Southern states avoiding malacca strait

It's progressing, just posted latest news at https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/how-china-rules-the-waves.472879/page-5, comments welcome.

 

[Aung Zaya]

Agree, I would say 039A variant like S26T would be most suitable, though perhaps will happen some years down the road when fiscal room allows.

It's progressing, just posted latest news at https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/how-china-rules-the-waves.472879/page-5, comments welcome.

yes. bro
type 039 varients would be the best what we can get. Russian offered amur class but it cost nearly 500m USD for a units. it's too much expensive for us.