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Guys is there a way to search this topic? (Wanted to search for every post mentioning 'engine' or ej200')

Looking for info about the EJ200 engine. I'm reading conflicting things about the engine and whether or not Turkey has made a deal and if transfer of Technology is involved.

Wikipedia states that Rolls Royce offered technology transfer and joint development of a derivative for the EJ200.
The source from wiki: http://www.defensenews.com/story/de...engine-for-turkish-made-fighter-jet/76890154/
Wiki page itself: http://www.***************/eurojet-signs-mou-with-turkey-for-ej200-engine-program-62054/
Edit: Wikipedia is blocked? Anyhow, it's the English wiki page about TFX if you search on Google.

Has this deal been finalised yet?
 
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Guys is there a way to search this topic? (Wanted to search for every post mentioning 'engine' or ej200')

Looking for info about the EJ200 engine. I'm reading conflicting things about the engine and whether or not Turkey has made a deal and if transfer of Technology is involved.

Wikipedia states that Rolls Royce offered technology transfer and joint development of a derivative for the EJ200.
The source from wiki: http://www.defensenews.com/story/de...engine-for-turkish-made-fighter-jet/76890154/
Wiki page itself: http://www.***************/eurojet-signs-mou-with-turkey-for-ej200-engine-program-62054/
Edit: Wikipedia is blocked? Anyhow, it's the English wiki page about TFX if you search on Google.

Has this deal been finalised yet?
Short of Long

2xEJ200 cant produce the power expected for the TF/X,RR wants to share it
2xEJ230 possibly will produce sufficent power for TF/X,but RR doesnt want to share it since it ll be a new baby
 
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Short of Long

2xEJ200 cant produce the power expected for the TF/X,RR wants to share it
2xEJ230 possibly will produce sufficent power for TF/X,but RR doesnt want to share it since it ll be a new baby

No one want to share the newest Technologies, but is not possible to procure EJ-230 and to gain Technology from EJ-200 to have a Base for further Jet Engine Developments ?
 
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No one want to share the newest Technologies, but is not possible to procure EJ-230 and to gain Technology from EJ-200 to have a Base for further Jet Engine Developments ?
It was just an outline of overall discussion,
If you wanna build a jet that will run with ej-200, that will not be the Tf/x, or dont make a Tf/x and make something like stealth JF/17, that that will be your plane runs with ej-200, but most probably a rival with ej-230 will be on the field
RR can surely share knowledge with us but the percentage matters,I am even okay with 20 percent as long as they are critical
 
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Getting Closer....

BAE Systems aiming for multi-billion dollar TAI-up
Posted 27 January 2017 · Add Comment

BAE Systems is preparing for a special link-up with Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI). Alan Warnes reports.

One_of_the_three_concept_design_of_TFX.jpeg


BAE Systems is on the verge of signing a multi-billion dollar four-year contract with Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI).
As part of Turkey’s national fighter programme, also known as TF-X, the Turkish Government launched a competition last year for a foreign collaboration company (FCC) to assist with the project.
The enormity of the job will not be lost on BAE Systems, with Turkey wanting the jet to fly in 2023, coinciding with the 100th anniversary of Mustafa Kemal Atatürk founding the secular Islamic state.
BAE Systems held off European rivals, Airbus Defence and Space (ADS) and Saab, to be selected late last year. It will work with TAI as FCC and negotiations over a four-year contract have been on-going for several months now, according to one source.
“There have been pre-contract studies between BAE Systems and TAI over the last few months and, once finalised, more contracts can be awarded. The FCC has joint responsibility for the design of aircraft with TAI and, together, they will work out the detail.”
If the discussions fail, then it will fall to ADS or Saab to deliver. However, most people expect to see the deal with BAE Systems signed within a few months.
A project management office, headed up by a two-star Turkish Air Force general, will oversee the whole process. The two organisations are working on a schedule for the sequence and scope of the contracts that need to be signed.
The Turkish Government is seeking the support of its opposite number in the UK to share responsibility for the fighter, and to back it not only with industrial participation but to export it too. Having government support is paramount to Turkey and, with the UK heading out of the EU, it’s a deal the UK should be keen to be involved in.
By the end of the four-year contract, which, if signed soon, will be completed in 2020, the preliminary design will have been agreed.
But there will be no commitment during that time to a first flight date. That will come in the next contract, which is also likely to be four years and see the number of people working on the project rise from the hundreds to the thousands.
One source said: “It is not easy to set up such a programme because it is not just about TAI and BAE Systems working together. Other stakeholders, representing the engines and avionics, have all to be considered.”
Export rights, industrialisation, as well as strategic aspects, are all under consideration, with the engine being the most crucial part of the latter. Rolls-Royce and Eurojet are both likely to be considered, although everyone is remaining tight-lipped about whether it will be a one or two-engine jet.
The Turkish Government is seeking the new fighter to replace its fleet of F-16s, with the Block 30s being the first.
The new fighter will eventually work alongside the F-35 Joint Strike Fighters on order by the Turkish Air Force, which will replace the F-4E Phantom 2020s.
TAI already has experience of working with future fighters. It signed a $100 million, long-term agreement with Northrop Grumman in June 2005 to produce composite parts and subassemblies for the F-35 centre fuselage, developed by Northrop Grumman. Delivery of the first one, from Ankara, took place in March 2011.
So TAI does have some manufacturing experience of a fifth generation fighter, which will help the TF-X project. But, with so many other projects going on, the company has its hands full.

http://www.arabianaerospace.aero/bae-systems-aiming-for-multi-billion-dollar-tai-up.html
 
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Getting Closer....

BAE Systems aiming for multi-billion dollar TAI-up
Posted 27 January 2017 · Add Comment

BAE Systems is preparing for a special link-up with Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI). Alan Warnes reports.

One_of_the_three_concept_design_of_TFX.jpeg


BAE Systems is on the verge of signing a multi-billion dollar four-year contract with Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI).
As part of Turkey’s national fighter programme, also known as TF-X, the Turkish Government launched a competition last year for a foreign collaboration company (FCC) to assist with the project.
The enormity of the job will not be lost on BAE Systems, with Turkey wanting the jet to fly in 2023, coinciding with the 100th anniversary of Mustafa Kemal Atatürk founding the secular Islamic state.
BAE Systems held off European rivals, Airbus Defence and Space (ADS) and Saab, to be selected late last year. It will work with TAI as FCC and negotiations over a four-year contract have been on-going for several months now, according to one source.
“There have been pre-contract studies between BAE Systems and TAI over the last few months and, once finalised, more contracts can be awarded. The FCC has joint responsibility for the design of aircraft with TAI and, together, they will work out the detail.”
If the discussions fail, then it will fall to ADS or Saab to deliver. However, most people expect to see the deal with BAE Systems signed within a few months.
A project management office, headed up by a two-star Turkish Air Force general, will oversee the whole process. The two organisations are working on a schedule for the sequence and scope of the contracts that need to be signed.
The Turkish Government is seeking the support of its opposite number in the UK to share responsibility for the fighter, and to back it not only with industrial participation but to export it too. Having government support is paramount to Turkey and, with the UK heading out of the EU, it’s a deal the UK should be keen to be involved in.
By the end of the four-year contract, which, if signed soon, will be completed in 2020, the preliminary design will have been agreed.
But there will be no commitment during that time to a first flight date. That will come in the next contract, which is also likely to be four years and see the number of people working on the project rise from the hundreds to the thousands.
One source said: “It is not easy to set up such a programme because it is not just about TAI and BAE Systems working together. Other stakeholders, representing the engines and avionics, have all to be considered.”
Export rights, industrialisation, as well as strategic aspects, are all under consideration, with the engine being the most crucial part of the latter. Rolls-Royce and Eurojet are both likely to be considered, although everyone is remaining tight-lipped about whether it will be a one or two-engine jet.
The Turkish Government is seeking the new fighter to replace its fleet of F-16s, with the Block 30s being the first.
The new fighter will eventually work alongside the F-35 Joint Strike Fighters on order by the Turkish Air Force, which will replace the F-4E Phantom 2020s.
TAI already has experience of working with future fighters. It signed a $100 million, long-term agreement with Northrop Grumman in June 2005 to produce composite parts and subassemblies for the F-35 centre fuselage, developed by Northrop Grumman. Delivery of the first one, from Ankara, took place in March 2011.
So TAI does have some manufacturing experience of a fifth generation fighter, which will help the TF-X project. But, with so many other projects going on, the company has its hands full.

http://www.arabianaerospace.aero/bae-systems-aiming-for-multi-billion-dollar-tai-up.html


TAI-BAE collaboration for TF-X

-4 years for design(First contract) - 2020
-4 years for detail efforts/prototype production with thousands of TF-X workers/engineers in TAI/Aselsan/Havelsan/Roketsan/BAE
-2023 First flight !

British PM will be in Turkey in Saturday
 
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TAI-BAE collaboration for TF-X

-4 years for design - 2020 (First contract)
-4 years for detail efforts/prototype production with thousands of TF-X workers/engineers in TAI/Aselsan/Havelsan/BAE
-2023 First flight !

British PM will be in Turkey in Saturday
Now,this is news i want to hear.
 
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TAI-BAE collaboration for TF-X

-4 years for design(First contract) - 2020
-4 years for detail efforts/prototype production with thousands of TF-X workers/engineers in TAI/Aselsan/Havelsan/Roketsan/BAE
-2023 First flight !

British PM will be in Turkey in Saturday


2023 impossible, lets make it 2033. For the rest i am happy.
 
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2023 impossible, lets make it 2033. For the rest i am happy.

Well, by bringing BAE's huge avionics expertise into the game I wouldn't be so surprised. Maybe a couple of years delay but not more than it. Let's wait and see
 
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The enormity of the job will not be lost on BAE Systems, with Turkey wanting the jet to fly in 2023, coinciding with the 100th anniversary of Mustafa Kemal Atatürk founding the secular Islamic state

What the...? Calling our country a secular islamic state ? Perception management is something our enemies do very well
 
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Well, by bringing BAE's huge avionics expertise into the game I wouldn't be so surprised. Maybe a couple of years delay but not more than it. Let's wait and see
F-35 project got his first proto after 4 years... Turkey got around 5-6 years, a proto by then is possible
 
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Britain, Turkey sign defence deal to develop Turkish fighter jet

Britain and Turkey signed a defence deal worth more than 100 million pounds on Saturday to develop Turkish fighter jets, opening the way to deeper cooperation over the lifetime of the project.

In Ankara to strengthen ties with Turkey as she navigates Britain's departure from the European Union, Prime Minister Theresa May hailed the deal, saying it showed "that Britain is a great, global, trading nation and that we are open for business".

The deal, announced by May and Turkish Prime Minister Binali Yildirim, involves BAE Systems and TAI (Turkish Aerospace Industries) working together to develop the TF-X Turkish fighter programme.

BAE Systems chief executive, Ian King, said the deal was the next step in deepening defence cooperation.

"It will also pave the way for a deeper defence partnership and could effectively make the UK Turkey's partner of choice, positioning it as a key aerospace technology exporter to Turkey," he said in a statement.

"The wider programme could see the UK win contracts to provide engines, weapons, radars and sensors."




($1 = 0.7971 pounds)


http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-turkey-bae-idUKKBN15C0IM?il=0


Told you, the inevitable Brexit will push the Brits towards cooperation.

Wont be suprised if Tümosan works with Ricardo or another British company on the Altay engine.
 
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