TF-X Turkish Fighter & Trainer Aircraft Projects

[LegionnairE]

10 or more years is ok. But having them talk as if it's almost ready because a prototype was released...

Well, even though it is missing a lot of features and there's a long road ahead, it is exciting to see it in front of our eyes. Don't you think it's normal?

 

[Foinikas]

Well, even though it is missing a lot of features and there's a long road ahead, it is exciting to see it in front of our eyes. Don't you think it's normal?

That is normal and I understand why you are all excited and happy.

 

[Trisolaran]

That is normal and I understand why you are all excited and happy.

What makes Altay, TFX and all our other "first" weapon systems so special is that they are domestically produced. So we don't really care if it looks like a copy of F22 or F35.
but it will of course be important that Altay 2 and the next TFX block be original. Anka drone was looking similer to American drones but now looking at Kızılelma and Akıncı, You can see they are more orginal and this how it will be with all other systems..

 

[TheSolution]

TFX is a melting pot of F22 and F35, with older engines (and far from having a radar or a IR system). Nothing special, nothing original.
Where is the superiority when you are only able to copy and paste ?

Same with your attack helo and its gun.

Same with your next MBT which is a copy of K2, itself a copy of Leclerc.

Nothing new under the turkish sun. Just harsh copy.

Immense cope.

As if Turkey has access to several terabytes of blueprints and design features of F-22 and F-35.

This is the same typical cope people use against China lmao

By the way where is France's 'harsh copy', can you not even do that?

 

[Ich]

Has Turkey any self developed fighter-Jet that has fly?

 

[Sapei]

Has Turkey any self developed fighter-Jet that has fly?

KizilElma has flown

TFX is a melting pot of F22 and F35, with older engines (and far from having a radar or a IR system). Nothing special, nothing original.
Where is the superiority when you are only able to copy and paste ?

Same with your attack helo and its gun.

Same with your next MBT which is a copy of K2, itself a copy of Leclerc.

Nothing new under the turkish sun. Just harsh copy.

ah the frog is back.

 

[Ich]

KizilElma has flown

Google says it is a drone. So no self developed fighter-Jet in Turkey that has flown?

Edit:

Ah, i just see: The drone do not have self produced engines, so it counts double-not.

Ukraine continues to deliver engines for Turkey’s Kizilelma stealth drone - AeroTime

Ukraine is continuing to supply engines for the Bayraktar Kizilelma, Turkey’s upcoming stealth drone. The drone has been marketed by Baykar as an “unmanned fighter jet”. Despite the war, cooperation between the two countries has continued, Baykar’ CTO Selcuk Bayraktar said at the Teknofest 2022...

www.aerotime.aero

 

[That Guy]

This is a public forum, everybody with an access to internet can visit this page.
The site is owned by a private individual but as far as I'm aware nobody insulted WebMaster's mom and dad.

Even though mods get involved sometimes and some people get banned, it's mostly a free platform and I like it this way.

It's a private forum that the public have access to through a registration process. It's not a public forum.

 

[merzifonlu]

Has Turkey any self developed fighter-Jet that has fly?

No. Turkiye did not design neither tanks nor jet fighter on its own. Turkiye received technical support from Korean Hyundai ROTEM regarding tanks. Turkiye also received technical support from the British company BAE Systems for TFX jet fighter for air superiority.

The Altay-1 tank was to be built with the German MTU+Renk power pack, but Germany said "I'm not playing this game!" said, it was necessary to design and manufacture the power pack locally. If there is no earthquake in Istanbul, in 2025, the Altay-2 will be a 100% Turkish-made tank both in design and in terms of all critical components including the power pack.

On the subject of TFX jet fighter, we learned a lesson from Altay-1. We started the engine development business early. Even if the joint development talks with British Rols-Royce company do not succeed, TFX will be in the skies in the 2030s with domestic engines installed.

Among these works, we are busy with unimportant(!) works such as developing all kinds of sensors, diesel and turbine engines, guided munitions and drones. For some reason, nobody helps them.

 

[dBSPL]

By this logic, Nazi Germany should have been the first and only manufacturer of jet fighter in history. Or Let's think more flexibly, history would still be watching the dual struggle of Soviets-Americans that start with Mig-15 and the F-86 Sabre.

Every country with ideals of developing its military aviation industry was involved in this struggle at some point. In the 1940s, 1970s, 2000s. Institutions in TR are aware that they are starting this race from behind. However, today's world offers some advantages, but more importantly, you do not have to compete on an industry-wide scale, your priority can be in specific aviation areas where the paradigm is changing. And this is exactly what TR has tried to do.

Turkiye laid the foundations of its aviation industry in the 1930s, but a decade or so after it had succeeded in build its own planes, TR came under US influence(that so Marshall plan and NATO etc.) due to Soviet pressure, while at the same time, production in a number of industries that were already hanging by a thread came to a halt and factories were closed down, one of which was the defense industry. The factory producing passenger airplanes was closed down due to the Atlanticist structure within the state. Many experimental aircraft, especially the flyingwing aircraft in 1948, were not allowed to be manufactured again by the Turkish Aeronautical Association because one of these experimental aircraft crashed. I am referring to the years when some of our friends trolling here had nothing but rice fields in their homeland.

TR woke up from a few decades of sleep after the 1974 embargoes, and step by step began to work on the present day. Starting in 2004, more concrate process of developing indigenous system engineering and design capabilities actually started 10 years late. The 90s were a very turbulent period for Turkish politics and full of betrayal.

The new systems and technological demonstration systems you see today were actually topics we discussed in local defense magazines and forums 15 years ago, quoting from relevant institutional reports and strategic plans. There are many other stories within the process, all conditions move dynamically, and therefore the adventure adapts accordingly. But if you look at the big plan, whole these process is not a spontaneous event.

 

[LegionnairE]

What makes Altay, TFX and all our other "first" weapon systems so special is that they are domestically produced. So we don't really care if it looks like a copy of F22 or F35.
but it will of course be important that Altay 2 and the next TFX block be original. Anka drone was looking similer to American drones but now looking at Kızılelma and Akıncı, You can see they are more orginal and this how it will be with all other systems..

Among these the only thing I'm really disappointed with is the MPT... we basically just made an AR-10 and called it the national rifle. Shame.

It's no more national than the G3

 

[Ich]

No. Turkiye did not design neither tanks nor jet aircraft on its own. Turkiye received technical support from Korean ROTEM regarding tanks. Turkiye also received technical support from the British company BAE Systems for jet fighter aircraft for air superiority.

The Altay-1 tank was to be built with the German MTU+Renk power pack, but Germany said "I'm not playing this game!" said, it was necessary to design and manufacture the power pack locally. If there is no earthquake in Istanbul, in 2025, the Altay-2 will be a 100% Turkish-made tank both in design and in terms of all critical components including the power pack.

On the subject of TFX jet aircraft, we learned a lesson from Altay-1. We started the engine development business early. Even if the joint development talks with British Rols-Royce company do not succeed, TFX will be in the skies in the 2030s with domestic engines installed.

Among these works, we are busy with unimportant(!) works such as developing all kinds of sensors, diesel and turbine engines, guided munitions and drones. For some reason, nobody helps them.

That is ok. But if you are clear about that - and as it seems a lot of other Turks too - so why is this turk user "Legionella" gobble up in the iran iRIAF thread like Turkey had developed and produced all things at its own for a fighter plane and even masses of them had already cross the seas?

 

[merzifonlu]

Among these the only thing I'm really disappointed with is the MPT... we basically just made an AR-10 and called it the national rifle. Shame.

It's no more national than the G3

I disagree. MPT-76 was our one of first successfull defence product.

 

[LegionnairE]

I disagree. MPT-76 was our one of first successfull defence product.

Successful in what? First that was the fiasco that was Mehmetçik 1, just HK 416 with a white text on it that said Mehmetçik 1 and then the army demanded a 7,62 rifle and they tried to copy HK417 as best they could without infringing on H&Ks IP.

It's just a gas piston AR10, neither the gas system, nor the cartridge, nothing about that rifle is national other than that weird handguard extension.

That is ok. But if you are clear about that - and as it seems a lot of other Turks too - so why is this turk user "Legionella" gobble up in the iran iRIAF thread like Turkey had developed and produced all things at its own for a fighter plane and even masses of them had already cross the seas?

I'm just very curious about the state of the Q313 I know it did taxi tests. Now that the TFX did taxi tests too, I think a comparison is in order

 

[merzifonlu]

That is ok. But if you are clear about that - and as it seems a lot of other Turks too - so why is this turk user "Legionella" gobble up in the iran iRIAF thread like Turkey had developed and produced all things at its own for a fighter plane and even masses of them had already cross the seas?

It is very difficult to find a sane and calm person in Turkey these days. As a mathematician, being extremely numerical (like Mr. Spock), I can partly get away with this nonsense.

By the way, Mr "Legionella" isn't even worse. I've witnessed much, much worse. Believe me!