TF-X Turkish Fighter & Trainer Aircraft Projects

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Türk Havacılık ve Uzay Sanayii (TUSAÅ) Genel Müdürü ve Yönetim Kurulu Ãyesi Prof. Dr. Temel Kotil, geliÅtirme faaliyetleri devam eden HÃRJET Jet tekâmül uçaÄı hakkında yeni bilgiler verdi.

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Apparently Turkey has chosen a GE F404 for Hurjet and that makes the whole affair a lot more interesting. Export of F404, a military gas turbine engine, is restricted by the US government which reserves a right to refuse issuing an export license. And I believe USA is NOT in a mood to green light such sales, especially when they already blocked another gas turbine engine, LHTEC.



Yeah, because they are mostly existing contracts or technologies that are involved in are not sensitive & restricted as gas turbein engines for military jets. Hurjet is a new project and Turkey needs a new permission. Also, GE needs a special concession from the US government to sell military grade aeroengines as the US govenrment is even more strict with gas turban engines for military.



Again, because of existing contracts. Some US companies have already paid for supplies from Turkey or have to pay a contract termiation fee.

I think you are being too optimistic. You can't just assume the US would issue an export license of F404 for Hurjet just because the US allows her companies to fulfil existing contracts and supply arms with less sensitive technologies.

As it has been demonstrated with the LHTEC saga, the US is not keen on issuing a new export license for military-grade gas turbine engines (especially areoengines) to Turkey at the moment.

According to your logic from America LHTEC series engines to power the use of Turkey we had to keep coming but not receive delivery of the new helicopter news? I also see that when it comes to your job, you can rely on the words of our statesmen.

 

[Seyfullah]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1366847780111736835

 

[Indos]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1366847780111736835

Not 8 prototypes, but 3 prototypes. The fourth prototype will starts to be produced in mid 2022 where the fifth or sixt prototype will be produced in Indonesian Aerospace (If Indonesia is still continuing the program)

 

[Dac O Dac]

Rafale's technology demonstrator flew with a pair of F404 which was similar in diametres, lengths and other parametres with M88, but those engines weren't exactly the same.

It's not exactly the case, but nearly. F404 is longer than M88 for exemple.
But the Rafale demonstrator was designed so as to fit the 2 engines in from the beginning.
When Dassault used the M88, it was not a single minute exchange : you have to make new air tests with the new engine, even if all the air domain was opened with the first.

other exemples : English F4 with Spey engines. Israeli Mirage 3 copy with J79 ....

 

[T-SaGe]

Head of SSB, Demir said, "We are working on the involvement of friendly and allied countries in the MMU project. This project will become a joint project of friendly and brotherly allies after a while. There is no delay. The project is progressing according to the expected pace and schedule."

SSB Başkanı Demir: Milli Muharip Uçağımız müttefiklerimizin ortak projesi haline gelecek | STAR

Cumhurbaşkanlığı Savunma Sanayii Başkanı İsmail Demir, 'Milli Muharip Uçak projesinde gidişat iyi. Projede bir gecikme beklemiyoruz. TUSAŞ Tasarım merkezimizi açtık. Bu proje bir müddet sonra dost ve kardeş müttefiklerin ortak projesi haline gelecek' dedi.

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[Deino]

Head of SSB, Demir said, "We are working on the involvement of friendly and allied countries in the MMU project. This project will become a joint project of friendly and brotherly allies after a while. There is no delay. The project is progressing according to the expected pace and schedule."

SSB Başkanı Demir: Milli Muharip Uçağımız müttefiklerimizin ortak projesi haline gelecek | STAR

Cumhurbaşkanlığı Savunma Sanayii Başkanı İsmail Demir, 'Milli Muharip Uçak projesinde gidişat iyi. Projede bir gecikme beklemiyoruz. TUSAŞ Tasarım merkezimizi açtık. Bu proje bir müddet sonra dost ve kardeş müttefiklerin ortak projesi haline gelecek' dedi.

www.star.com.tr

But the problem remains again the same: There is no friendly and allied country available outside the West, that can contribute what Turkey needs: namely high-end engine technology to build an own fifth generation engine!

And if the Russians are willing to share Izd.30-technology with full IP and ToT for just a few $$$ remains to be seen; IMO surely not.

 

[Silicon0000]

https://nation.com.pk/02-Mar-2021/t...ce-fighter-jets-missiles-with-pakistan-report
Turkey desires to produce fighter jets, missiles with Pakistan: report
Turkey desires to produce fighter jets, missiles with Pakistan: report

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

Turkey can potentially substitute F110 with AL-31 for TF-X. But it will require major redesign and delay first flight by about 5 to 10 years. J-10 was initially designed with F110 but after Tiananmen and US sanction it substituted F110 with AL-31 and the redesign delayed first flight by 6 years.

 

[Deino]

Turkey can potentially substitute F110 with AL-31 for TF-X. But it will require major redesign and delay first flight by about 5 to 10 years. J-10 was initially designed with F110 but after Tiananmen and US sanction it substituted F110 with AL-31 and the redesign delayed first flight by 6 years.

Since when was the J-10 planned to use the F110? Any source for this?

Otherwise You are correct, but I don't think TAI or the TAF would even consider an AL-31 for their fifth generation type.

 

[Mohamed Bin Tughlaq]

Since when was the J-10 planned to use the F110? Any source for this?

Otherwise You are correct, but I don't think TAI or the TAF would even consider an AL-31 for their fifth generation type.

Don't you really get tried of saying the same shit and same sentences for like the last 100 pages and could be years for now.

People got your message and declined it even Turks who have knowledge on the matter but you still posting the same stuff and it is not even a matter of proof or disprove but it is a repetitive pointless from your side as if your ego is on the line here. You have been saying the exact same stuff! You are not even constructive in your way of posting it is just rinse and repeat.

They said we will do it our way... Wait for an answer to arrive but it is not gonna change anything in your case repetitively saying the same stuff again and again. That matter and result is entirely in the future

 

[Deino]

Don't you really get tried of saying the same shit and same sentences for like the last 100 pages and could be years for now.

People got your message and declined it even Turks who have knowledge on the matter but you still posting the same stuff and it is not even a matter of proof or disprove but it is a repetitive pointless from your side as if your ego is on the line here. You have been saying the exact same stuff! You are not even constructive in your way of posting it is just rinse and repeat.

They said we will do it our way... Wait for an answer to arrive but it is not gonna change anything in your case repetitively saying the same stuff again and again. That matter and result is entirely in the future

I'm sure you are just upset again since you have no answers to the open questions but otherwise the AL-31 was so far not mentioned as an option for the TFX. Not in the last few weeks nor within "the last 100 pages".
But again, I'm always pleased to learn something new!

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

I'm sure you are just upset again since you have no answers to the open questions but otherwise the AL-31 was so far not mentioned as an option for the TFX. Not in the last few weeks nor within "the last 100 pages".
But again, I'm always pleased to learn something new!

...I'm waiting for the day you start a sentence with, "sorry to be Mt Everest during global warming, but I'm pouring melted icewater on this..."

 

[Titanium100]

Don't you really get tried of saying the same shit and same sentences for like the last 100 pages and could be years for now.

People got your message and declined it even Turks who have knowledge on the matter but you still posting the same stuff and it is not even a matter of proof or disprove but it is a repetitive pointless from your side as if your ego is on the line here. You have been saying the exact same stuff! You are not even constructive in your way of posting it is just rinse and repeat.

They said we will do it our way... Wait for an answer to arrive but it is not gonna change anything in your case repetitively saying the same stuff again and again. That matter and result is entirely in the future

He will be put on Suicide watch once the deadline is meet and it rolls out as per schedule..

 

[Deino]

He will be put on Suicide watch once the deadline is meet and it rolls out as per schedule..

Then I will open a bottle of champagne, celebrate and apologise to all, who were correct since then, I was wrong ... but until then, let's wait for the answers and wait!

 

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