Terrorists won,U.S lost?

[Black Widow]

Its not that Simple... The real score is

1. After 9/11 Osama-1 America-0
2. After WoT starts Osama -1 America -1
3. In afghanistan Osama-1 America-2
4. In pakistan (Drone attack and selective killing of AQ) Osama-1 America-3
5. After American hoam loan scandal Osama-2 America -3
5. After Killing Osama in his safe house Osama-2 America-4

 

[Black Widow]

Are you stupid or what? Heck! you're a "professional"

Mr Gambit from where does Islam came into this? "Defeat of two of Armies of Islam"? WTF? Are you kidding me? By the way,which is second Army other than Iraqi Army? Well, ANY army in the world would face the same fate if she goes head-on with the U.S military--How is it an embarrassment for us,billions of Muslims in the world? Did you get embarrassed when Turkey took over Northern Cyprus because by your retarded logic,A "Muslim" Army took over a "Christian" country Or ANY Christian would get embarrassed if some stronger Muslim country invades and conquer the weaker "christian-majority" country? You're still living in the age of Saladin vs Richard the lion heart era ...

Brother no matter how much you make noise. The truth is, Hate for Islam has increased in non Muslim after 9/11. Its increasing day by day. truth is bitter but We can't live in denial.

 

[gambit]

Brother no matter how much you make noise. The truth is, Hate for Islam has increased in non Muslim after 9/11. Its increasing day by day. truth is bitter but We can't live in denial.

My point was totally lost on him. That was why I did not bothered to respond to his post.

 

[AUz]

Brother no matter how much you make noise. The truth is, Hate for Islam has increased in non Muslim after 9/11. Its increasing day by day. truth is bitter but We can't live in denial.

Where I'm refusing to accept this fact? Read my post again..My point was SOMETHING ELSE..

Hint : Read the bold part of Gambit's post--I replied to his that rhetoric.

My point was totally lost on him. That was why I did not bothered to respond to his post.

Well care to explain then ... What do you mean by this

I wonder what the picture would look like if we include the slighted image of Islam, the loss of prestige for a religion, the embarrassment of a community over the spectacular defeat of two of their armies and the violations of the lands those armies were tasked to defend...

Any more?

 

[westtowel]

If the US has lost 5 trillion $,then where has the 5 trillion $ gone.Any ideas?

 

[below_freezing]

No one said anything about killing all Afghan civilians, I said that a high loss of innocent civilians was going to happen if the US decided to go gung-ho against all terrorist residing in Afghanistan.

And yes, all the reasons u mentioned is why I said at the end, IT IS NOT A FEASIBLE IDEA to have such a strategy (disregarding civilian casuality) when fighting against terrorist.

Anyway since you said US picked a bad strategy, in your mind, what would be a better strategy to fight terrorist?

in public: symbolically fire a few Tomahawks at their training camps, make some noise, run another fake Bin Laden video saying he's dead, etc etc.

covertly, pay them even more money to attack China and Russia instead which they've been doing with the Chechens and Uighurs. Use the huge lead in hard and soft power the US had in the 90's to consolidate the eastwards advance of NATO and the sanctioning of China, with the final blow being rejection from the WTO. The gates close on China and Russia's development. China's GDP growth drops below 8% while Russia stagnates and hyperinflates, as under Yeltsin. Putin loses the presidency in 2004 to a US puppet, or worse, is killed in a military coup. Hu Jintao and Wen Jiabao are ousted by more pro Deng, pro elite factions during the NPC/CPC elections in 2007, being even 1 term presidents and premiers. With them worrying about their political futures, there's no real advancement of China's armed forces. We're forced to allow US carriers dock in Shanghai and US soldiers rape Chinese women the way they do to Koreans and Japanese. A massive riot breaks out, riot police are called in to break it up, the US enforces a "no fly zone" over Shanghai, Beijing and Hong Kong, and we become a colonial slave state again.

The US flag will then fly over the entire globe, and its only remaining opponent would be suppressing India, which for the US would be like a prize boxer beating down a 5 year old.

 

[RezRoll]

in public: symbolically fire a few Tomahawks at their training camps, make some noise, run another fake Bin Laden video saying he's dead, etc etc.

covertly, pay them even more money to attack China and Russia instead which they've been doing with the Chechens and Uighurs. Use the huge lead in hard and soft power the US had in the 90's to consolidate the eastwards advance of NATO and the sanctioning of China, with the final blow being rejection from the WTO. The gates close on China and Russia's development. China's GDP growth drops below 8% while Russia stagnates and hyperinflates, as under Yeltsin. Putin loses the presidency in 2004 to a US puppet, or worse, is killed in a military coup. Hu Jintao and Wen Jiabao are ousted by more pro Deng, pro elite factions during the NPC/CPC elections in 2007, being even 1 term presidents and premiers. With them worrying about their political futures, there's no real advancement of China's armed forces. We're forced to allow US carriers dock in Shanghai and US soldiers rape Chinese women the way they do to Koreans and Japanese. A massive riot breaks out, riot police are called in to break it up, the US enforces a "no fly zone" over Shanghai, Beijing and Hong Kong, and we become a colonial slave state again.

The US flag will then fly over the entire globe, and its only remaining opponent would be suppressing India, which for the US would be like a prize boxer beating down a 5 year old.

Have you thought of directing a movie? You'll do well with that imagination

And you still haven't said anything about a better strategy to defeat TERRORIST.

 

[below_freezing]

Have you thought of directing a movie? You'll do well with that imagination

And you still haven't said anything about a better strategy to defeat TERRORIST.

why defeat terrorists when you can just use them against your enemy?

you cannot defeat terrorists, ever. you can however control them.

 

[Black Widow]

Where I'm refusing to accept this fact? Read my post again..My point was SOMETHING ELSE..
Hint : Read the bold part of Gambit's post--I replied to his that rhetoric.

Sorry I Missed that point. I also disagree with Gambit on that particular line..

 

[muse]

I think that it is undeniable that, thus far, terrorists have won, and while it's not over, it seems to me that terrorists have not won because of what they have done but rather because of what the US policy makers have done. US policy has been a disaster for the US - now associated with torture and extra-judicial approaches, coupled with financial collapse and polarized politics, have done what is at least so far, terrible damage to the US.

Can the US turn this around? It does not pay to under estimate the US, however, at least to my thinking, the US is not going to able to effect a change without that change first taking place in the US itself and this seems rather improbable, to my thinking, for the next two or three decades.