Terrorist attack, hostage situation in Dhaka ; Analysis & Footage

[idune]

People are quite right to stay away from Bangladesh till they visibly demonstrate they can clamp down on their local extremists and provide a secure peaceful environment...for a sustained long period.

That is true EXCEPT for indians - Bangladesh is source of $5 billion illegal loot for illegal indians in Bangladesh. And not to mention RAW and other nefarious indian activities will go on despite all these.

 

[kobiraaz]

He sounds very confused. On one hand he talks against US interference in the ME, otoh he supports IS and other terrorists' war to topple Assad - a goal shared by Obama's administration.

His confusion and inability to take a resolute stand is because of an identity crisis. By identifying with pan-Islamic movements, he felt he's connected to a global community of like minded people. There was also an anti-Shia sectarian angle to his posts; again, it's identity crisis at play - hating Assad and Shias let's him see himself as part of the global (middle eastern) Sunni youth.

Yes It is always confusing when someone instead of supporting a Group wants to take side assessing the situation.. On one side, I despise the imperialistic America , on another side I despise Assad's murders of innocent people. If that makes me confused, I am happy with that. Thank you for your concern

 

[Nilgiri]

That is true EXCEPT for indians - Bangladesh is source of $5 billion illegal loot for illegal indians in Bangladesh. And not to mention RAW and other nefarious indian activities will go on despite all these.

Please deport all these "illegal" indians. Or continue to make up this propaganda to have your equal equal bogeyman with us.

The 5 billion or so claimed remittance from Bangladesh to India (assuming the number is true) is from the Indian professionals that work in Bangladesh because Bangladesh has very poor education and experience for all sorts of industries and services (you can check the recent Human capital Index for the figures).

Very few poor in India would be naturally attracted to the poor job market in Bangladesh, a country that has 3 times higher the population density (of an already high density) and half the consumption per capita (of an already low consumption) of India.

There is a reason why only one country of the two is actively fencing its border....because only one receives a huge influx of illegal migrants. If Bangladesh was also experiencing this, why isn't it fencing the border as well on its side?

Now stick to the topic please....you can take the economic and political propaganda to the other such threads that have discussed it numerous times already.

Before you answer please read:

http://www.thedailystar.net/controlling-remittance-outflow-to-india-58831

Bangladeshis generally do menial jobs in India and contribute to the economy through hard work in exchange for meagre wages, whereas most Indians are gainfully employed in attractive jobs in Bangladesh, earning handsomely and remitting millions of dollars to India.

But what about well paid jobs in Bangladesh that foreigners, mostly Indians, take away from Bangladeshis? We have Indians gainfully employed with foreign companies, NGOs, garment sector, trading and almost all branches of business. They also have shops and business houses all over Bangladesh.

Foreigners, mostly Indians, employed in Bangladesh do not do any specialised job but ordinary administrative work in all levels,

 

[Nike]

Indonesia condemns Dhaka attack

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  The Jakarta Post
  

Jakarta | Sun, July 3 2016 | 10:17 am

A relative tries to console a Bangladeshi woman, Semin Rahman (center), whose son is missing after militants took hostages in a restaurant popular with foreigners in Dhaka on July 2. Bangladeshi forces stormed the Holey Artisan Bakery in Dhaka's Gulshan area where heavily armed militants held dozens of people hostage Saturday morning. The forces rescued some captives, including foreigners, at the end of the 10-hour standoff. (AP/-)
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• Foreign-Ministry Bangladesh Dhaka Bangladesh-attack

Indonesia has condemned a terrorist attack and hostage-taking at a cafe in a diplomatic zone in Dhaka that left at least 20 of the hostages, mostly foreigners, dead and dozens of others injured on Friday and expressed its condolences to the families of the victims.

"The government and people of Indonesia convey their deepest condolences and sympathy to the victims and their families during this time of grief," the Foreign Ministry said in a press statement on Saturday.

The Indonesian Embassy in Dhaka reported no Indonesian casualties in the attack. The embassy said it is closely monitoring the situation and coordinating with local authorities as well as with Indonesian citizens residing in Dhaka.

The Indonesian government stated it stands in solidarity with Bangladesh in its fight against terrorism and called for closer international cooperation in combating the global threat.

There are 520 Indonesians living in Bangladesh, according to the Embassy. The Embassy strongly advised Indonesians to stay safe, remain alert and avoid public places that are possible terrorist targets, as well as to follow the directions and advice of the local authorities.

The embassy provided phone numbers for Indonesians seeking information on their families or on the current situation. Indonesian can contact Emir Faisal, the embassy's protocol and consular affairs official, at +880 161 4444 560 and +880 161 4444 552. (sha/rin)
http://www.thejakartapost.com/seasia/2016/07/03/indonesia-condemns-dhaka-attack.html

 

[idune]

Please deport all these "illegal" indians. Or continue to make up this propaganda to have your equal equal bogeyman with us.

The 5 billion or so claimed remittance from Bangladesh to India (assuming the number is true) is from the Indian professionals that work in Bangladesh because Bangladesh has very poor education and experience for all sorts of industries and services (you can check the recent Human capital Index for the figures).

Very few poor in India would be naturally attracted to the poor job market in Bangladesh, a country that has 3 times higher the population density (of an already high density) and half the consumption per capita (of an already low consumption) of India.

There is a reason why only one country of the two is actively fencing its border....because only one receives a huge influx of illegal migrants. If Bangladesh was also experiencing this, why isn't it fencing the border as well on its side?

Now stick to the topic please....you can take the economic and political propaganda to the other such threads that have discussed it numerous times already.

Before you answer please read:

http://www.thedailystar.net/controlling-remittance-outflow-to-india-58831

You conveniently left out crucial part that indians are not doingy thing special in Bangladesh that Bangladeshis can not do. Most of these indians are employed though illegal means and came as tourist and never pay taxes.

Foreigners, mostly Indians, employed in Bangladesh do not do any specialised job but ordinary administrative work in all levels, for which there is no shortage of Bangladeshi candidates. For example, why does a British company need to appoint an Indian as a clerk or a junior level officer when there are many qualified people in the country who can do that job perfectly well? Does not Bangladesh need to control this?

Do not propagate indian agenda what foreigners from other country should or should not do; they can decide themselves. If you do then relevant facts about indian illegal acts will come out.

 

[Nilgiri]

You conveniently left out crucial part that indians are not doingy thing special in Bangladesh that Bangladeshis can not do. Most of these indians are employed though illegal means and came as tourist and never pay taxes.

That is what the article claims. I know from many Bangladeshis themselves that many Indians are professionals and business owners within their country. What the exact breakdown is up for speculation since Bangladeshi statistics and monitoring is notoriously bad.

It is also on Bangladesh to sure up its visa system. I mean its so difficult to even find a number for how many Indians actually visit Bangladesh as tourists each year. It can't be that high at all given Bangladesh in total receives about 125 thousand total international tourists a year. Compare that to the more than 1 million tourists India received from just Bangladesh....and we certainly do not see such people who can get tourist visa outstaying their welcome or purpose of visit by any significant amount. You are claiming its somehow so very different for Bangladesh when you offer employment visa to Indians and put notable requirements for the other categories?:

http://www.bdhcdelhi.org/index.php/visa-immigration/visa-requirements

Now does your govt even release any numbers on how many Indians per year are granted each visa type by Bangladesh? Or do you just make up your claims with no evidence? Any official analysis done to show the rough prevalence of visa exploiters...or just your claim? Even if BNP govt did such a study, lets see it.

Anyway the decision lies with Bangladesh to enforce its tourist visa process on the ground if its such a big problem like you say. But the bigger point is anyway that the bulk of illegal immigration has come and continues to comes from Bangladesh to India....people that have no visa to outstay/exploit but simply take their chance at crossing the border illegally. So there are two very different types of immigrants in question here depending on origin and destination.

We can agree to disagree and not derail the topic here.

Do not propagate indian agenda what foreigners from other country should or should not do; they can decide themselves. If you do then relevant facts about indian illegal acts will come out.

I am saying what I expect a reasonable country to do on the basis of what happened. They are already doing it right now, they don't need to hear it from anyone else. There is no "agenda" here....but simply a reality and a response.

 

[damiendehorn]

Ah It is not the Army, It the decision from Government to storm the building, came late.

Thats because the commandos had to be brought in from sylhet, the government is afraid of having trained commandos in Dhaka! They are so afraid of their own soldiers they base them as far as possible.

 

[Nilgiri]

Thats because the commandos had to be brought in from sylhet, the government is afraid of having trained commandos in Dhaka! They are so afraid of their own soldiers they base them as far as possible.

Will that change now?

 

[bluesky]

@Nilgiri, I am sending a copy of the information that I have that says about 500,000 Indians are working in BD and they send about 3.71 billion to their families. I think, the reason is what you have stated, i.e, they fill in the positions BD people cannot.

Many thousand Sri Lankans as well are also working with the textile sector. Many more Pakistanis will also be coming once businesses there move to BD. It is a very natural phenomenon.

These skilled Indian workers in BD contribute to our textile industry and in our economy. There are Nepalese in India, but, there are Indians also in Nepal who contribute to Nepalese economy.

15 Nations Sending Highest Remittances to India
By SiliconIndia | Tuesday, 21 May 2013, 06:41 Hrs

5) Bangladesh
Bangladesh is a developing country and is the eighth most populous country in the world. It is reported that there are Indians who are staying in Bangladesh and there are about 500,000 Indians presently residing.

People who are migrating to Bangladesh illegally are from West Bengal, Meghalaya, Assam, Tripura and Mizoram. According to the government authorities of the country, most of them come in search of job opportunities and mostly work in NGOs, garments and textile industries.

These Indians remit $3,716 million to their home country and the number is expected to increase in next few years.

 

[Nilgiri]

@Nilgiri, I am sending a copy of the information that I have that says about 500,000 Indians are working in BD and they send about 3.71 billion to their families. I think, the reason is what you have stated, i.e, they fill in the positions BD people cannot.

Many thousand Sri Lankans as well are also working with the textile sector. Many more Pakistanis will also be coming once businesses there move to BD. It is a very natural phenomenon.

These skilled Indian workers in BD contribute to our textile industry and in our economy. There are Nepalese in India, but, there are Indians also in Nepal who contribute to Nepalese economy.

15 Nations Sending Highest Remittances to India
By SiliconIndia | Tuesday, 21 May 2013, 06:41 Hrs

5) Bangladesh
Bangladesh is a developing country and is the eighth most populous country in the world. It is reported that there are Indians who are staying in Bangladesh and there are about 500,000 Indians presently residing.

People who are migrating to Bangladesh illegally are from West Bengal, Meghalaya, Assam, Tripura and Mizoram. According to the government authorities of the country, most of them come in search of job opportunities and mostly work in NGOs, garments and textile industries.

These Indians remit $3,716 million to their home country and the number is expected to increase in next few years.

Legal skilled migration between our countries is welcome. My only issue is the illegal immigration that is happening. I don't doubt that Indians and India benefits from Bangladesh economy. But there are only vague statements of the illegal immigration that happens from India to Bangladesh....but it is a known phenomenon in the other direction. With greater prosperity, hopefully it will no longer be an issue in future.

 

[Nilgiri]

Period. Quran, Old Testament, Torah, Geeta and all other religious texts legitimise violence against those whom are considered not followers,

Can you quote me where Geeta legitimises violence against "non-followers"?

You can certainly say this for some parts of the Vedas in general....but Gita is quite explicit in mentioning multiple streams leading to the same goal etc. The Gita only advocates violence as a last resort against those that are against dharm (virtue)...which is very different from concept of religion....since virtue is something outside of religion in the first place and is independent of it.

 

[damiendehorn]

Will that change now?

No, the current AL gov is still very weary of the army (her family and other party heads were killed by the army). Specially the commandos, any ellite regiment for that matter....apart from the SSF and the PG....Para Com are kept north and the SWADs in the east. The only unit in Dhaka that has a capacity to deal with such incidents are the DMP swat unit, to small IMHO.

Options now are either expand the DMP swat unit capacity, increase the RAB capacity in CQB or Bring some of the SWADs/ParaCom units into Dhaka.

 

[EasyNow]

Well...italian media mostly blame Bangladesh. Face reality this happenes there again and again. People get hacked to death and nothing happened yet. Now it hit our citizens and japans as well. Bangladesh must fight this. t must protect atheists, people of other religions and liberalisation is important now.

I hope so too but i have little believes things will change.

This event shows the public in italy that this country isnt safe. People will stay away with their investments and buisness. Radicals were catered there far too long. I dont think the people of bangladesh are bad but i believe they act not hard enough against this religious hatred. I hope that changes.

Yes our team played with black armbands and also our government.

You know the thing is...we arent even shocked anymore. islamic terrorism has become a normal thing. Its just sadness and nothing else.

Bangladesh is not intrinsically a violent society, the people will not stand for this. Those behind it will be brought to justice sooner than you think.

Sadly it means that once open parts of the city will now probably be gated and closed off from wider society. We do not rely on tourism, but it may affect inward investment, jobs and the local economy. Which is why ex-pat bangladeshis are the one ones making excuses for the terrorist - as they aren't affected.

Unfortunately, we are fighting an ideology here, it's a problem in the entire Muslim world. Until the ideology is tackled worldwide, there will always be lone wolves and terror cells - and we will stay busy crushing them.

 

[MarkusS]

Bangladesh is not intrinsically a violent society, the people will not stand for this. Those behind it will be brought to justice sooner than you think.

Sadly it means that once open parts of the city will now probably be gated and closed off from wider society. We do not rely on tourism, but it may affect inward investment, jobs and the local economy. Which is why ex-pat bangladeshis are the one ones making excuses for the terrorist - as they aren't affected.

Unfortunately, we are fighting an ideology here, it's a problem in the entire Muslim world. Until the ideology is tackled worldwide, there will always be lone wolves and terror cells - and we will stay busy crushing them.

now that ISIS will be crushed and city after city falls they will do more of this.

 

[Nilgiri]

Unlike Abrahamic religions, Hinduism's bigotry is inward, towards it's own people. You can read verses in Gita legitimising Caste system.

That is not what I asked, but since you bring up Caste...the Gita is very clear on "Varna Ashram" being dependent on guna (aptitude) and karma (action) rather than mere birth (jati). Krishna's contemporary Parusharam was born a Brahmin but lived his life as Kshatriya for example.

It is human ego and ignorance that leads to the birth-based Caste system....it is not a doctrine of Gita. The Gita says it is your action and virtue that determines your Varna, not your birth. This is completely in accord with stratification of society by those that seek the 4 noble goals (Dharm, Arth, Kama, Moksha) to different degrees and those that are near/absolute zeroes by nature.

This is actually quite a big change in philosophy from what is seen in parts of the Vedas and also way more realistic than simply preaching "everyone is absolutely equal regardless of what they do and seek in life as long as they are god fearing etc etc".

But yes Eastern religions are nowhere near Abrahamic religions when it comes to xenophobia and legitimising violence towards non-believers. I guess I should have been more descriptive in my post.

Fair enough.

The thing is liberalisation and rationalisation of society have been very effective to root out bigotry in Christianity and what we see is developed and peaceful western world, however same folks who'd fight Christian or Hindu bigotry so bravely, wouldn't utter a word against Islam's well documented history of using violence against non-believers or it's horrible treatment against women in modern age, lest someone calls them Islamophobe or it legitimise

Islam suffered from cocooning syndrome for much of its history. When their cultural centre did become quite liberal/progressive at one point, they were unfortunately completely destroyed by the Mongols who totally obliterated Baghdad in a very barbaric way. It was ever since they have looked upon everyone else with great suspicion, retreated to their core dogmatic doctrine and also had the strategic space (provided notably by the last Caliphate - the Ottomans) for this ideology to petrify and atrophy somewhat compared to the quite vicious turmoil their Abrahamic counterparts experienced during the renaissance and subsequent "enlightenment and all the wars that ensued in Europe (the modern liberalism has a very steep price of blood indeed).

I agree the double standards must be countered rationally wherever it is seen. It is for that reason I hope the uniform civil code comes to fruition in India. We must hold a mirror to ourselves first before we should hold a mirror to others.