Tehreek-e-Taliban withdraw dialogue offer to new government

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[Leader]

But Sir @Icarus is an apology for a mistake and condolence that kills 60 innocent civilian by the forces sworn to protect them enough? Surely compensation and steps to prevent any repeat errors like that must also have been part of the settlement.
@Awesome Saeenjee, any comments from you regarding this incident?

We just killed 17 militants, or so we claim. Is that really true? Why are the actions of our own armed forces in FATA being given a pass for any possible innocent lives?

The reason I mention this that USA can kill and leave, but we have to live with the consequences of these actions in our own country for a long time. We must be right and be seen to be right.

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Previous thread here:

http://www.defence.pk/forums/pakist...n-army-air-strike-kills-dozens-civilians.html

THIS !!!!!!!!

 

[Icarus]

Thank you for the details about the incident Sir.

Any time.

What I fear greatly is that the segment of our society that sympathizes with the Taliban is not small in number and some would say, increasing in number. If these trends continue, it is only a matter of time before public perception will turn against our armed forces and hinder their task to protect our homeland. We know it from history that such things can happen.

I really have no problem with that, if our nation wishes to live in the dark ages, then so be it. I for one, am a humble analyst that the Americans or British will be glad to have working for them, if the TTP should take power through the people, I will understand that I am not meant to be a part of this society. However, I do not find common ground with you on the large and growing sympathetic portion theory, in my opinion, the support for TTP cannot grow in today's Pakistan because of the simple fact that almost everyone has lost someone close in this thing, yes, there can be support for a peace effort, however misguided it may be by simple logical standards but support for the TTP is usually rare to find. A gallop poll in 2010 found that 2.5% of the population supports the TTP, I don't consider that a dangerous number. I bet that many Germans support the Nazis and a similar number of Americans support the KKK but they still function as relatively healthy societies.

Therefore, it is vitally important to step up the public educations and information campaigns hand in hand with the military actions, so that the nation knows and supports what is being done.

I believe that is being done, but the GoP has yet to take over from the Army in areas where there has been an Op and start the rehabilitation process. The Concept of the Evolving Trinity is not being followed in FATA, the military is being forced to stick along longer than it should and therefore carry out reconstruction work, which is making the locals more attached to the PA than the state of Pakistan itself.

 

[Leader]

Thank you for the details about the incident Sir.

What I fear greatly is that the segment of our society that sympathizes with the Taliban is not small in number and some would say, increasing in number. If these trends continue, it is only a matter of time before public perception will turn against our armed forces and hinder their task to protect our homeland. We know it from history that such things can happen.

Therefore, it is vitally important to step up the public educations and information campaigns hand in hand with the military actions, so that the nation knows and supports what is being done.

khol ker bol lalay, the fact is our society is so cooked up in religion and conspiracy theories that there is a clear cut clash of views between the public and what the army has been doing... I am afraid what you are talking about has already taken place.

even within the army, majority doesnot want to fight. if I am not mistaken 1/5 is absconder rate.

 

[RazPaK]

Nobody believes me when I say that TTP are currently on NS and SS payroll.

Nothing happened in Punjab, and nothing will happen in Punjab.


Facts speak for themselves.

 

[Bratva]

During Hajjaj bin yousaf period, Kharjis were eliminated ruthlessly up to such extent that stopped their ambushes even let alone fight large battles while during Umar Bin Abdul Aziz era, Kharjis stopped their activities due to pious character of Khalifa.

Inference of above lines is, during corrupt regime, someone needs a ruthless leader to keep miscreants in line and during pious regime, A leader character and his reforms in society are enough to eliminate Fasaad

So our time is of corrupt regime and we need someone like Hajjaj bin yousaf.
@Icarus Pakistan Army hasn't stopped their habitual traits of nurturing groups who will bite them back in future, In recent events, not so long ago, Pakistan Army supported Mangaal bagh and now Pakistan Army is being beaten like a kid in orakzai by mangal bagh forces.

Until army brings capable planners and analysts who could chalk out a better plan, nothing effective would be gained

 

[RazorMC]

How does one talk about peace with those who would kill innocent men, women, children and elderly ??
Aren't they the exact definition of the "tyrants" and "oppressors" that Islam encourages Momins to fight ??

PTI will do whatever and I m no PTI follower here but MQM will have to account for the terror it has carried out in the city of Karachi.
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Important point.... There's not just one, but two groups that Pakistanis need to think about.

 

[somebozo]

One by one all of them will be killed..and there will be no need to negotiate with the terrorist.

Nobody believes me when I say that TTP are currently on NS and SS payroll.

Nothing happened in Punjab, and nothing will happen in Punjab.


Facts speak for themselves.

This is a no brainier...everyone knows who created NS..the mard-e-momin Zia ul Haq and NS government has always worked to spread the vile disgusting extremist influences. You are 200% right my friend.

 

[Fracker]

MUSHARRAF suggested that!

FENCE THE FREAKING BORDER! but the problem is the Afghan government doesn't allow fencing because they claim that "durand line" is disputed!!

so you clearly see who arms & funds these TTP scum bags????? clearly it is coming from Afghanistan!

come on, how the hell Afghan Government stop musharaf If he wants to? Even I remember, Musharaf said we will fense our side of boarder. But He didn't, who is accountable for this. And this time if PML-N do lackness, then they will get equal blamed, what's so ever, one practical step is available yet they are neglecting it, And Pakistan is suffering due to this.. Just Fense it, and let afghanis clear their mess.... We need peace and progress..

 

[airmarshal]

Nobody believes me when I say that TTP are currently on NS and SS payroll.

Nothing happened in Punjab, and nothing will happen in Punjab.


Facts speak for themselves.

I wouldnt go this far. But in the previous govt. PML-N had no role in what was happening on western border. It was the alliance of PPP-MQM-ANP which was in competition with each each other to prove to the west who is the most 'liberal' of them all by shouting out against Taliban from their safe confines in Islamabad or London.

But if Nawaz goes along the same line, doing nothing and just talking without any strategy to tackle this issue, then Taliban will come after him too.

Thats why of all these parties I like PTI at least in dealing with Taliban. No matter how flawed or how impractical we feel it might be, they at least have a policy.

 

[BATMAN]

Daily Ummat's Analysis

This is a new twist to the story!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Star Wars]

You can't expect hugs and kisses after killing their second in command....

 

[Fracker]

Daily Ummat's Analysis

Ok I missed that, Why the hell USA attacked Walli Rehman? He never use weapon against USA or PA. & this is the fact, he was the one who bring JUI-F, PML-N and TTP to peace talk table. This raise serious concern our USA drone attacks.

 

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Ok I missed that, Why the hell USA attacked Walli Rehman? He never use weapon against USA or PA. & this is the fact, he was the one who bring JUI-F, PML-N and TTP to peace talk table. This raise serious concern our USA drone attacks.

It was rather a move for US's self defence. The article claims that wali was more interested in fighting against the US than Pakistani forces. So had a peace deal bddn struck, TTP would have restarted its ops against US in AF. However, I still feel that US had explicit or implicit support from our security forces (at least in identification. Army was not on the same page with NS about talks with TTP and Gen Kayani made it explicit in his speech by calling TTP an ignorant minority.

 

[jnd3x0]

Proof? Have you ever been to FATA? Maybe visited one of the active Op zones? It's easy to be a paranoid conspiracy driven keyboard J3hadi but completely different to have been a part of what is being discussed. I have spent much of the last decade in FATA and I have not seen any such "Mass Murder". The greatest loss of life I saw was when the Kookikhel were accidently bombed in Khyber and lost 60 men. The PAF offered apologies for the accident, the cheif met with the Kookikhel Masharan and offered condolences for their loss, the Kookikhel are still one of the most active supporters of the PA effort in Khyber.

this zarvan guy have no idea about ground realities, I witnessed the cruelty TTP goons scorched in the peaceful valleys , especially sawat, Thanks Allah that pak Fauj saved the future of the people there, now see sawat, south waziristan ... life have hope there, with stone age mentality goons like ttp who are far away from islamic principles, humanity is above all religions and that's sunnah and what Islam teaches, mistakenly they are either blind or brainwashed. all this ttp system have to be abolished only then peace can return back to our lands. I'm PTI follower but I don't agree when it comes to peace with these goons because reality check these 'sold off' just want to get hold of their feet again that Pak fauj wont let them IA