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Teesta pact: Bangladesh pushes for China's intervention

we can do the same

Sure....but it only hurts BD....not us. Catch 22 situation for you lot (and China understands it). So remember to carry a tissue for your next cry with whoever your CPC 5 cent handler is....when he tells you that nope, Chinese govt is not interested in your dumb ideas, there will be no pay upgrade or promotion, and to keep your trolling fantasies to the trolling 5-cent cha-ching world only :D
 
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Sure....but it only hurts BD....not us. Catch 22 situation for you lot (and China understands it). So remember to carry a tissue for your next cry with whoever your CPC 5 cent handler is....when he tells you that nope, Chinese govt is not interested in your dumb ideas, there will be no pay upgrade or promotion, and to keep your trolling fantasies to the trolling 5-cent cha-ching world only :D

Well since India already hurt BD with water diversion, we just play India's water diversion game:lol:. Stop India water diversion then we will also stop, this is fair and square. Chinese government has no need to take my Idea since we milk India 56 billions of trade surplus every year....what is more important than that:lol:, Call me troll you like but remember my challenging question that India wouldn't dare addressed.

-> Stop water diversion that flow to BD before lecturing us any water activity in Tibet...is India ready? :azn:
 
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Well since India already hurt BD with water diversion, we just play India's water diversion game:lol:. Stop India water diversion then we will also stop, this is fair and square. Chinese government has no need to take my Idea since we milk India 56 billions of trade surplus every year....what is more important than that:lol:, Call me troll you like but remember my challenging question that India wouldn't dare addressed.

-> Stop water diversion that flow to BD before lecturing us any water activity in Tibet...is India ready? :azn:

Please give it all in official Chinese govt communique...no one cares about mr. troll who figures absolutely nowhere in any hierarchy that matters :D

All China has said is that its Tibet dams will be run of the river....given they know fully well only 20% is controlled by them in the first place....and they only hurt BD if they do anything with it....big ouch! So what stupid 5 cent basement trolls like to dream beyond that means nothing on the ground.

So keep watching us divert and extract as much water from our rivers as we see fit with BD and China doing diddly squat about it in response :D Its all you trolls can do....hope for the dream but experience the reality :)

Who really cares about trade surpluses....wanna know how many jobs it creates in India (from import of OEM component for local value added assembly and further manufacture). How much is final complete goods that are imported....do you have the percentage?

After all if we imported from China the ratio Pakistan (7 times what it exports to China) and Bangladesh (18 times what it exports to China) does....your surplus would instead be like 80 billion - 234 billion ....so you are actually diminishing them more when you bring up trade surplus argument (given India imports 4 times what it exports to China in comparison - and majority is for further MVA). Once OEM comes to India in bigger amounts, the ratio will change even more....but is it even being talked about w.r.t BD and Pakistan? We can also account for per capita surplus....who do you think it will diminish the most on your argument here?

https://comtrade.un.org/data/

After all why are Indian exports climbing and Indian rupee gaining in value a lot this year so far?

http://www.livemint.com/Politics/Zr...eficit-narrows-to-89-billion-in-February.html

Plus learn that a surplus means you have to first subtract your imports from India to get around 45 billion....not 58 billion (which are just the exports).
 
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I believe China-factor is biggest threat to one-sided water diversion by Bangladesh' upper riparian neighbor. It may be the most significant leverage and sleight of hand played by Bangladesh govt. so far, although indirectly.....
 
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I believe China-factor is biggest threat to one-sided water diversion by Bangladesh' upper riparian neighbor. It may be a significant leverage and sleight of hand played by Bangladesh govt. so far, although indirectly.....
And looking at the comments from our neighborhood members, seems to be working already.
 
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Need for Teesta water sharing resolution: An Indian view

Amit Ranjan in Singapore

During the upcoming visit of Bangladesh Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina to India, from April 7-10, the most important issues the two countries are expected to discuss is the deal on releasing about 48% of waters from the Teesta river to Bangladesh. This despite the fact that, according to a news report in The Daily Star, “Teesta water-sharing treaty is not on the agenda”.
Teesta is the fourth largest trans-boundary river shared between India and Bangladesh, after the Ganges, Brahmaputra and the Meghna (GBM) river system. The total catchment area of the GBM is about 1.75 million square km. The Teesta originates in the Indian state of Sikkim and its total length is 414 km, out of which 151 km lie in Sikkim, 142 kms flow along the Sikkim-West Bengal boundary and through West Bengal, and 121 km run in Bangladesh.

Origin of the dispute
In Bangladesh, the river mainly affects the five northern districts of Rangpur Division: Gaibandha, Kurigram, Lalmonirhat, Nilphamari and Rangpur. According to a report on the Teesta by The Asia Foundation in 2013, its flood plain covers about 14% of the total cropped area of Bangladesh and provides direct livelihood opportunities to approximately 7.3% of its population.
Historically, the root of the disputes over the river can be located in the report of the Boundary Commission (BC), which was set up in 1947 under Sir Cyril Radcliffe to demarcate the boundary line between West Bengal (India) and East Bengal (Pakistan, then Bangladesh from 1971). In its report submitted to the BC, the All India Muslim League demanded the Darjeeling and Jalpaiguri districts on the grounds that they are the catchment areas of Teesta river system. It was thought that by having the two districts, the then and future hydro projects over the river Teesta in those regions would serve the interests of the Muslim-majority areas of East Bengal.
Members of the Indian National Congress and the Hindu Mahasabha opposed this. Both, in their respective reports, established India’s claim over the two districts. In the final declaration, which took into account the demographic composition of the region, administrative considerations and ‘other factors’ (railways, water-ways and communication systems), the BC gave a major part of the Teesta’s catchment area to India. The main reason to transfer major parts of Darjeeling and Jalpaiguri to India was that both were non-Muslim-majority areas. Darjeeling had a 2.42% Muslim population while Jalpaiguri had 23.02% Muslims. The League’s claim was based on ‘other factors’.

Mamata dictated terms
During East Bengal’s days as a part of Pakistan, no serious dialogue took place on water issues between India and East Pakistan. After the liberation of East Pakistan and birth of a sovereign Bangladesh in 1971, India and Bangladesh began discussing their trans-boundary water issues. In 1972, the India-Bangladesh Joint Rivers Commission was established. In its initial years, the most important concerns of water bureaucrats from both countries were the status of river Ganges, construction of the Farakka barrage and sharing of water from the rivers Meghna and Brahmaputra. Although the issues related to the distribution of waters from the Teesta were discussed between India and Bangladesh, the river gained prominence only after the two countries signed the Ganga Water Treaty in 1996.
In 1983, an ad hoc arrangement on sharing of waters from the Teesta was made, according to which Bangladesh got 36% and India 39% of the waters, while the remaining 25% remained unallocated. After the Ganga Water Treaty, a Joint Committee of Experts was set up to study the other rivers. The committee gave importance to the Teesta. In 2000, Bangladesh presented its draft on the Teesta. The final draft was accepted by India and Bangladesh in 2010. In 2011, during then Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh’s visit to Dhaka, a new formula to share Teesta waters was agreed upon between the political leadership of the two countries. But West Bengal’s chief minister Mamata Banerjee, who was then in a coalition with the Union government, opposed the agreement. Even when the Narendra Modi government accepted the new arrangement between India and Bangladesh, Banerjee did not. In 2015, during Modi’s visit to Dhaka to exchange the ratified papers of the Land Boundary Agreement between India and Bangladesh, Banerjee joined him. But she maintained a silence over the issue of sharing Teesta waters.

Current issues
Although Article 253 of the Indian constitution gives power to the Union government to enter into any trans-boundary river water-related treaty with a riparian state, the Centre cannot do it arbitrarily without taking into consideration the social, political and economic impact of such a treaty in the catchment area.
One of the reasons for Banerjee not accepting the new deal on the Teesta is confusion over the agreed percentage of water to be shared between India and Bangladesh. The deal says that Bangladesh will receive 48%of the waters. This means, as Rupak Bhattacharjee has written, Banerjee believed in 2011 that Bangladesh would get something around 33,000 cubic feet per second (cusec) of water annually, instead of the 25,000 cusecs originally agreed upon in earlier meetings to finalise the new agreement. She has said that releasing so much water to Bangladesh would affect irrigation systems in five districts of the North Bengal – Coochbehar, Jalpaiguri, South and North Dinajpur, and Darjeeling – which constitute some of the poorest blocks in her state.
In 2011, the West Bengal government commissioned a study on the Teesta issue under the hydrologist Kalyan Rudra. He submitted his findings in the form of a preliminary report to the West Bengal government in December 2012. The detailed report is not publicly available, but Rudra’s academic writings on the Teesta issue are well known. In a paper published in The Ecologist Asia in 2003, Rudra had been critical of the big projects on the river like the Teesta Barrage Project in Jalpaiguri district and hydropower projects of the National Hydro Power Corporation (stage III and IV) in the Darjeeling district of West Bengal.

Why an agreement needed
He wrote, “Siltation has been a major problem, with projected capacities decreasing at alarming rates, often before the entire project is completed! Evaporation from the reservoirs and seepage of water from canals deprived the marginal land of the command area from the water that it was assured during the planning of the project. The dams that were designed to moderate floods have created floods by releasing excess water at the peak of the monsoon.” The paper supports an idea to reduce the burden on the Teesta by slicing down the number of multi-purpose hydro projects on it. This would help the river provide enough waters for irrigation purposes, he said.
On the issue of sharing Teesta waters between India and Bangladesh, it is being assumed that Rudra’s study has probably proposed a 65/35 or 60/40 division of waters during the monsoons and on a 70/30 ratio during the dry season, when both North Bengal and northwestern parts of Bangladesh face drought situations. This basis would certainly not be acceptable to Bangladesh, where the water from river Teesta is mainly required during the leanest period, from December to April. The demand turns (at worst) between March and April, when the water flow from Teesta often goes below 1,000 cusecs from 5,000 cusecs.
The success of the deal on the Teesta is considered to be a political necessity for both governments. The deal, as anticipated, will help New Delhi get more political leverage, which, it thinks, is necessary to check the rising influence of an extra regional power – China – in the Bay of Bengal region. For Hasina, the deal will support her chances to retain political power in the 2018 general elections in Bangladesh by projecting her as a leader who can secure her country’s interests and not a ‘pawn’ in the hands of India, as she is being often called by opposition groups.

Amit Ranjan is a visiting research fellow at the Institute of South Asian Studies, National University Singapore. Views are personal.
 
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@BANGLAR BIR

During East Bengal’s days as a part of Pakistan, no serious dialogue took place on water issues between India and East Pakistan. After the liberation of East Pakistan and birth of a sovereign Bangladesh in 1971, India and Bangladesh began discussing their trans-boundary water issues.

Don't try to doctor history

, Furakkha Barrage was in india's planning since 1951. At that juncture Pakistan had expressed concerns on the possible effects of the Farakka Barrage on East Pakistan. At the same time India carried on her project planning. Pakistan requested India to consult her prior to operation of any scheme which would have adverse effect on East Pakistan. In 1953, India proposed that the two countries should collaborate in the development of Ganges water resources. In the following year, Pakistan threw an outline of Ganga-Kobadak (GK) project in East Pakistan including a proposal for irrigating two million acres of land requiring a maximum of 2000 cusecs of water and joint survey of upper reaches of Ganges and Brahmaputra but India refused this outline. The two governments, however, agreed to exchange available data in respect of projects of mutual interest and to conduct meeting of experts on both sides. Accordingly, there were five meetings of experts in 1960–62 and again in 1968–69 as there was an interlude due to India Pakistan war 1965. Pakistan proposed that they should avail of technical and advisory services of the United Nations but India turned it down. At the secretary level talks in 1969, Pakistan raised her voice for a package deal guaranteeing fixed amount of water to East Pakistan and prescribed a mechanism for the implementation and supervision of the agreement.

India continued to procrastinate and reject proposals ,in order to deny any influence to Pakistan on the design and the size of farakka dam. Last meet was in July 1970, where a JRC setup was agreed on the water resources but Pakistan did'nt accept rest of india's demands knowing their nefarious intent.

Since the founding of Bangladesh, many of the 54 Bangladeshi Rivers that originate in India have either been diverted or dammed upstream, inside India. Bangladesh is given a lollipop or some temporary arrangement when relations are good, when they are bad like 1975 [Gen. Zia took over] India used it to unilaterally block 50000 cusecs of water to Bangladesh .
 
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Quote "India continued to procrastinate and reject proposals ,in order to deny any influence to Pakistan on the design and the size of farakka dam. Last meet was in July 1970, where a JRC setup was agreed on the water resources but Pakistan didn't accept rest of India's demands knowing their nefarious intent." unquote.

Since the founding of Bangladesh, many of the 54 Bangladeshi Rivers that originate in India have either been diverted or dammed upstream, inside India. Bangladesh is given a lollipop or some temporary arrangement when relations are good, when they are bad like 1975 [Gen. Zia took over] India used it to unilaterally block 50000 cusecs of water to Bangladesh ." unquote

Many thanks for clarifying the above mentioned vital points. In fact, these should be recorded and documented, and history should be rewritten in the correct prescriptive, as I personally at my age ,was never even aware about the initiatives undertaken by the Central government on behalf on the then East Pakistan.

On the contrary, till the mid seventies, in their great game of misinformation/deception/smear campaign, we had always been conveyed just the opposite; interestingly, most of the news emancipated from the media outlets based in the then Calcutta or news (presently renamed as Kolkata).

As I continue reading such articles written by the Indians writers', it appears to me that the Indians cleverly insert a para or two in their concluding paras, thus, reflecting the Indians mind/view-points only, thus diluting the real facts. Strangely post '75 we never heard such rumor mills churning out disoriented media again or was probably these news were not high lighted by their Bangladeshi counterparts.

Post 1975, the Indians in turn started to propagate their Josephs Goebbels theory of:-
  • “It would not be impossible to prove with sufficient repetition and a psychological understanding of the people concerned that a square is in fact a circle. ...
  • “Faith moves mountains, but only knowledge moves them to the right place...” ...
  • “Think of the press as a great keyboard, taking full advantages of International friendly electronic/ print media, as an alternative route, though an expensive one. Recently,since the last couple of years these news are re surfacing once again, this time using our local media,having a large audience/readers. A real feat of "Chankya diplomacy" indeed. The Indians cleverly insert a para or two reflecting the Indian viewpoint, thus diluting the entire real facts and highlighting theirs. I feel its high time we need to pin them to the wall. More such disoriented news appears, the more research and brain storming, we jointly need to undertake,instead on passing on the blame game, and sowing the seeds of hatred towards one another, especially to our younger generations, who are are being subjected to a daily continuous barrage of deception and lies.
  • Take the Bull by the horn, the saying goes.
 
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Sir @idune, I am not really aware that a part of China is in the south of Himalaya. If not at south, tell me why China can be made to play a role in the Teesta water sharing discussion?

Aha, it hurts you if indians are pressured, no surprise there. Source of Brahmaputra and many other rivers flowing to india originated in China (Tibet). So China definitely has influencing power over river sharing. Any idiots can see through that but indian dalals will always pretend to be ignorant.
 
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First India should Interlink rivers, divert Ganga to Indian Hinterland. Like Indira Gandhi canal diverts, Sutlej Ravi Beas to Rajasthan. Teesta should include right to divert Ganga and Brahmaputra waters....
But 45% of Yellow and Yangzte river glacier are fed by India ocean moisture, We can stop that moisture using cloud seeding on our side of Himalayas.:)
Aha, it hurts you if indians are pressured, no surprise there. Source of Brahmaputra and many other rivers flowing to india originated in China (Tibet). So China definitely has influencing power over river sharing. Any idiots can see through that but indian dalals will always pretend to be ignorant.

Sir @idune, please note that China can be a part of negotiation for Brahmaputra because it originates in China. So, a trilateral negotiation can be called for to safeguard our interest. But, can it be said for the Teesta? This river origates at the south of the Himalayas, not in China. This is a trick by the AL govt to raise the name of China, because Mamata Bannerji is not willing to give us water.

When Delhi cannot force Indian Bengal, how do you expect China can force it to it? So, it is all a AL trick that has blinded people ignorant like you. AL knows how to hoodwink the brainless Jamaatis.
 
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Tista deal unlikely during PM’s India visit

Shahidul Islam Chowdhury | Published: 00:05, Apr 05,2017 |

Several matters relating to Bangladesh’s interest, including the signing of Tista River water sharing agreement, are unlikely to be resolved during prime minister Sheikh Hasina’s forthcoming visit to India although the two countries would sign some 33 deals, including a memo on defence cooperation.

‘It doesn’t matter much if some issues remain unresolved,’ foreign minister AH Mahmood Ali said replying to a question on the possibility of the signing of the Tista water sharing agreement.
‘It is important to observe the main stream of the negotiations, where it is heading to,’ he said at a press conference on the visit on Tuesday.

He said that 33 deals would be signed in different areas of cooperation including

1) defense (Final nail on Bangladesh defense forces and independence)

2) information communication technology (to get indian companies flood Bangladesh market and destroy Bangladeshi young entrepreneurs.
3) satellite (to make indian company money)
4) geological science (Selling Bangladesh maritime resource and secret to india)
5) border hat (facilitate indians selling good to Bangladesh without any regulation and tax)
6) community clinic (details are not known)
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The six rivers are Feni, Manu, Muhuri, Khowai, Gumti, Dharla and Dudhkumar.
The dispute on the removal of anti-dumping duty imposed by Indian government on
Bangladesh’s export of jute and jute products would also remain unresolved
, the officials said.
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The government would sign a memorandum of understanding with provisions, among others, for annual consultation among top leaderships of the armed forces and defence ministries of the two countries.

Note: "consultation" diplomatic code word for indian dictate every year what Bangladesh defense force CAN NOT buy and should buy from india.

A memorandum of understanding would be signed opening a third line of credit for about $4.5 billion from India under conditions usually applied for supplier’s credit for 18 development projects.

Note: This is not loan but forcefully sell shoddy indian product and service and make Bangladeshi tax payers pay for it.

Another memorandum would be signed opening a fourth line of credit for about $500 million from India for defence purchase.

More at:
http://www.newagebd.net/article/12784/tista-deal-unlikely-during-pms-india-visit
 
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lmao wtf?

What has China got to do with Teesta, talk about overplaying your hand!

This is actually a very smart ploy. Indian establishment has deterring Chinese influence as their main goal now, so it will lead to more frantic efforts to get this testa agreement done.

Sure....but it only hurts BD....not us. Catch 22 situation for you lot (and China understands it). So remember to carry a tissue for your next cry with whoever your CPC 5 cent handler is....when he tells you that nope, Chinese govt is not interested in your dumb ideas, there will be no pay upgrade or promotion, and to keep your trolling fantasies to the trolling 5-cent cha-ching world only :D


Please don't do this 5 cent thing. It is a myth.
 
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