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Zubeida Mustafa 17 Jul, 2020


M.H. ASKARI, my colleague in Dawn and an Urdu short-story writer of eminence in his youth, wrote about his experience of joining the Anglo-Arabic School in Daryaganj in the late 1920s. On the first day, his principal asked him, “Will you study Sunni Deeniat or Shia Deeniat?”

Not being aware of the sects, Askari went home and asked his father Mirza Mohammad Said, an outstanding scholar who was widely acknowledged and had been Patras Bukhari’s teacher at Government College Lahore. Prof Said promptly replied, “My son will not study any Deeniat at school.”

That is how it was in the days of yore. Religion was an entirely personal matter and parents taught their children about their faith as they deemed it fit.

When I went to school in the early years of Pakistan when Mr Jinnah’s ‘Muslims will go to their mosques, Christians to their churches and Hindus to their temples’ speech was still ringing loud and clear, I was not required to study Islamiat. I was taught the principles of my religion in an enlightened tradition by my mother and a master sahib who taught me more of the Persian classical poets such as Hafiz and Saadi. Later, no one stopped me from reading books on Islam to satisfy my curiosity.

Zia left no stone unturned to achieve his mission of Islamising education.

If this secular approach termed as ‘la-deeniat’ by the self-appointed custodians of our faith is now out of favour, it does not discredit the rational approach to Islam. My generation that has seen better days can claim without fear of contradiction that in the days when religion was not a prescribed mandatory subject much sectarian harmony prevailed, intermarriages were common and society was more inclusive. Crime rates were lower and work ethics infinitely better.

By the time my daughters started school in the 1970s, religious studies was firmly entrenched in the educational scene in Pakistan. Worse still, it was tightly woven into a strong anti-Hindu/India sentiment. I had to work pretty hard to neutralise this negativity and show my girls the other side of the picture.

Ziaul Haq left no stone unturned to achieve his mission of Islamising education in Pakistan, the most wily move being to hand over the ministry of education to his political partner — the Jamaat-i-Islami. Islam, which had always been recognised as the state religion, was now described as a mukammal zabta-i-hayat and that meant every facet of life (lifestyle, dress code and even speech) was Islamised, even education. With multiple interpretations, traditions and even translations around, it was inevitable that different views would emerge and they did. Unfortunately, the most obscurantist view gained hegemony.

The infiltration of orthodoxy in our education curriculum at all levels is disturbing. To discuss this sensitive issue the Working Group for Inclusive Education which brings a number of likeminded organisations under its umbrella arranged a webinar recently on ‘Curriculum, textbooks and the rise of mandated religion in the education system’. What triggered off a public outcry was the Punjab Assembly’s move last month to adopt an amendment to the Punjab Curriculum and Textbook Act, 2015, which made it mandatory for all textbooks to be approved by the Muttahida Ulema Board.

A few days later followed the Punjab governor’s notification making the award of all degrees by public universities conditional on the candidate passing an exam on the reading of the Holy Quran with understanding of its translation. The trend had already set in with the adoption of the Punjab Compulsory Teaching of the Holy Quran Act, 2018.

The webinar should help focus attention on what is happening to the future of our children.

What is of great concern is the ‘madressah-isation’ of our education, as Prof A.H. Nayyar so aptly put it, in the name of ‘uniformity’ in the Single National Curriculum (SNC). According to Prof Nayyar, big chunks of the Islamiat curriculum have been lifted from the madressah’s dars and inserted in our mainstream school curriculum. That includes reading the entire Quran with translation in Grades 1 to 5 as well as memorising a number of hadith in Arabic with their translation.

This period coincides with the age in the child’s life when her cognitive and language skills are developing symbiotically.

This is the age when it must be ensured that the child’s critical faculties are allowed to grow by giving the child freedom to explore her environment and giving a free rein to her curiosity. If what we hear about the SNC is true, the child will become a good rote learner and would be discouraged from asking questions that would in all likelihood be declared ‘blasphemous’.

There is also the challenge of forging a consensus among the multiple fiqh and schools of thought if fissures are not to be widened further. With this massive Islamisation of the curricula, one can only ask, where will the non-Muslin minorities go?

www.zubeidamustafa.com

Published in Dawn, July 17th, 2020
https://www.dawn.com/news/1569476
 
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LOL, oh please f*ck off already.

These liberals secretly wish Pakistan to turn secular and want Muslims to go the way of Christians---and become atheists and agnostics practically. The largest-ever research on American religiosity decline concluded that one of the two biggest factor in secularization of American culture was throwing away of Christianity from public schools. Schools shape our lives more than our parents. We spend more time in school than homes. So it is extremely important to properly educate our children in Islamic studies.

Hopefully this proposal goes through and becomes a huge success Islamically!
 
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We are a Islamic Republic

These fcukers think we're a liberal atheist state and should hold gay pride parades in Karachi

If a day ever comes where we hold pride parades in Karachi....I do wish Indian jets successfully bomb the city. Not even being ironic here.

F*ck these traitor liberal secularists who hate their own culture and family to seek validation from their white saviors
 
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Teaching religion
Zubeida Mustafa 17 Jul, 2020


M.H. ASKARI, my colleague in Dawn and an Urdu short-story writer of eminence in his youth, wrote about his experience of joining the Anglo-Arabic School in Daryaganj in the late 1920s. On the first day, his principal asked him, “Will you study Sunni Deeniat or Shia Deeniat?”

Not being aware of the sects, Askari went home and asked his father Mirza Mohammad Said, an outstanding scholar who was widely acknowledged and had been Patras Bukhari’s teacher at Government College Lahore. Prof Said promptly replied, “My son will not study any Deeniat at school.”

That is how it was in the days of yore. Religion was an entirely personal matter and parents taught their children about their faith as they deemed it fit.

When I went to school in the early years of Pakistan when Mr Jinnah’s ‘Muslims will go to their mosques, Christians to their churches and Hindus to their temples’ speech was still ringing loud and clear, I was not required to study Islamiat. I was taught the principles of my religion in an enlightened tradition by my mother and a master sahib who taught me more of the Persian classical poets such as Hafiz and Saadi. Later, no one stopped me from reading books on Islam to satisfy my curiosity.

Zia left no stone unturned to achieve his mission of Islamising education.

If this secular approach termed as ‘la-deeniat’ by the self-appointed custodians of our faith is now out of favour, it does not discredit the rational approach to Islam. My generation that has seen better days can claim without fear of contradiction that in the days when religion was not a prescribed mandatory subject much sectarian harmony prevailed, intermarriages were common and society was more inclusive. Crime rates were lower and work ethics infinitely better.

By the time my daughters started school in the 1970s, religious studies was firmly entrenched in the educational scene in Pakistan. Worse still, it was tightly woven into a strong anti-Hindu/India sentiment. I had to work pretty hard to neutralise this negativity and show my girls the other side of the picture.

Ziaul Haq left no stone unturned to achieve his mission of Islamising education in Pakistan, the most wily move being to hand over the ministry of education to his political partner — the Jamaat-i-Islami. Islam, which had always been recognised as the state religion, was now described as a mukammal zabta-i-hayat and that meant every facet of life (lifestyle, dress code and even speech) was Islamised, even education. With multiple interpretations, traditions and even translations around, it was inevitable that different views would emerge and they did. Unfortunately, the most obscurantist view gained hegemony.

The infiltration of orthodoxy in our education curriculum at all levels is disturbing. To discuss this sensitive issue the Working Group for Inclusive Education which brings a number of likeminded organisations under its umbrella arranged a webinar recently on ‘Curriculum, textbooks and the rise of mandated religion in the education system’. What triggered off a public outcry was the Punjab Assembly’s move last month to adopt an amendment to the Punjab Curriculum and Textbook Act, 2015, which made it mandatory for all textbooks to be approved by the Muttahida Ulema Board.

A few days later followed the Punjab governor’s notification making the award of all degrees by public universities conditional on the candidate passing an exam on the reading of the Holy Quran with understanding of its translation. The trend had already set in with the adoption of the Punjab Compulsory Teaching of the Holy Quran Act, 2018.

The webinar should help focus attention on what is happening to the future of our children.

What is of great concern is the ‘madressah-isation’ of our education, as Prof A.H. Nayyar so aptly put it, in the name of ‘uniformity’ in the Single National Curriculum (SNC). According to Prof Nayyar, big chunks of the Islamiat curriculum have been lifted from the madressah’s dars and inserted in our mainstream school curriculum. That includes reading the entire Quran with translation in Grades 1 to 5 as well as memorising a number of hadith in Arabic with their translation.

This period coincides with the age in the child’s life when her cognitive and language skills are developing symbiotically.

This is the age when it must be ensured that the child’s critical faculties are allowed to grow by giving the child freedom to explore her environment and giving a free rein to her curiosity. If what we hear about the SNC is true, the child will become a good rote learner and would be discouraged from asking questions that would in all likelihood be declared ‘blasphemous’.

There is also the challenge of forging a consensus among the multiple fiqh and schools of thought if fissures are not to be widened further. With this massive Islamisation of the curricula, one can only ask, where will the non-Muslin minorities go?

www.zubeidamustafa.com

Published in Dawn, July 17th, 2020
https://www.dawn.com/news/1569476



For Dawn Pakistan economy is weak as we are studying religion. Then care to explain me why there is economic problems in East Europe, south america, philipines and africa?

Religion was a personal matter then why we created Pakistan. No one could stop a person from practocing anything in private. Cant muslim of india offer prayers in their home and mosques.

Islam is a complete system of life which involves social practices, economic matters and government.

For God sake read Quran before commenting on Islam.
 
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india is much more extremist in following their religion but their economy is bigger,similar is case with israel who are based on religion and have maintained influence over world powers but these liberals only hate Muslims and Islam
U can go to h*** dawn and anyone who believe this shit.

For these bas**** Pakistan economy is weak as we are studying religion. Then care to explain me why there is economic problems in East Europe, south america, philipines and africa?

Religion was a personal matter then why the hell we created Pakistan. No one could stop a person from practocing anything in private. Cant muslim of india offer prayers in their home and mosques.

Islam is a complete system of life which involves social practices, economic matters and government.

For God sake read Quran before commenting on Islam.
 
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Pakistan came into being for the purpose of practising Islam without Non-muslim interference.

The majority wants to stick to Islamic roots and would like their offsprings to be familiar with deen.

If the liberals and leftists are all for democracy, then it is its principle that what must prevail is what the majority wants. If they want to change the definition of democracy to suit their agendas, then it is the hypocrisy of the highest order.
 
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I am divided on this subject; however, I must agree that it is not necessarily religion that is responsible for our down fall since that era. It is much more likely that the root of these problems stem from the fundamental human emotions that are left unchecked. In fact, if anything I would argue that it is the excessive amount of freedom (via lack of an enforced system/rule of law) that has led us down this path. Freedom is often perceived to be a good quality but people forget that absolute freedom is nothing but chaos, perhaps this best explains the situation Pakistan finds itself in...
 
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Pakistan came into being for the purpose of practising Islam without Non-muslim interference.

The majority wants to stick to Islamic roots and would like their offsprings to be familiar with deen.

If the liberals and leftists are all for democracy, then it is its principle that what must prevail is what the majority wants. If they want to change the definition of democracy to suit their agendas, then it is the hypocrisy of the highest order.

How can you allow something counter-intuitive to democracy itself?

If one allows freedom, it will be while suppressing elements that try to oppose it.
They can argue that they're not being given the freedom to oppose it, but one knows that it is counter-intuitive, they're trying to destroy the very system that they're trying to obtain their excuse from.

In the same way, something which is counter-intuitive to democracy, it cannot be allowed. If radicalism and extremism are allowed to prevail under the guise of democracy, it will lead to an autocratic, or theocratic, system, and there will be no democracy.

I am divided on this subject; however, I must agree that it is not necessarily religion that is responsible for our down fall since that era. It is much more likely that the root of these problems stem from the fundamental human emotions that are left unchecked. In fact, if anything I would argue that it is the excessive amount of freedom (via lack of an enforced system/rule of law) that has led us down this path. Freedom is often perceived to be a good quality but people forget that absolute freedom is nothing but chaos, perhaps this best explains the situation Pakistan finds itself in...

No country endorses absolute freedom, or in other words, real-life hunger games.
But let's assume what you say is true, that it is due to 'too much freedom,' implying lawlessness and chaos. Even then, human behavior has to stem from something, it is not random, it is an influential attribute, coming from 'nature' or 'nurture'. So, this backwardness in society, where does it stem from and flourish in a society with too much freedom? And how come, numerous other countries with 'too much freedom' are not in a similar position?

india is much more extremist in following their religion but their economy is bigger,similar is case with israel who are based on religion and have maintained influence over world powers but these liberals only hate Muslims and Islam

India has actually good educational institutes and an educational system, they have universities in high rankings, and good rigorous examination systems, which puts a massive emphasis on science and not on religion. That's why the people who are indeed privileged in India to get a GOOD education go very far both nationally and internationally.

In societal terms, morals, ethics, they're still shitty due to religious backwardness and complete disregard of science.
 
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The freedom to practice religion and infiltrate it into education are two seperate things
 
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U can go to h*** dawn and anyone who believe this shit.

For these bas**** Pakistan economy is weak as we are studying religion. Then care to explain me why there is economic problems in East Europe, south america, philipines and africa?

Religion was a personal matter then why the hell we created Pakistan. No one could stop a person from practocing anything in private. Cant muslim of india offer prayers in their home and mosques.

Islam is a complete system of life which involves social practices, economic matters and government.

For God sake read Quran before commenting on Islam.

Pakistan wasn't created because everyone wanted to practice Islam in the open.
Pakistan was created to ensure, and grant, the Muslims their political rights and representation, as at the time Congress refused to give representation to minorities.

1. Africa is irreligious since when? There is literally no scientific development there.
2. Eastern Europe is very, very conservative. They're orthodox Christians. If you ever go there, you will find a church on every street, and cities will make you think you're in Middle East, and not Europe.
3. Islam is not a complete system, this is the biggest lie we have told ourselves, and what has did so much damage to us. There is more to everything than just religion. If Islam were so complete on social, economic and government matters, then there would be no need for economic studies, social studies, or for a board of religious scholars who would sometimes have to deliberate since the answer wouldn't be there in the Quran. It is a religious holy book, not a science journal.
4. Read.

If a day ever comes where we hold pride parades in Karachi....I do wish Indian jets successfully bomb the city. Not even being ironic here.

F*ck these traitor liberal secularists who hate their own culture and family to seek validation from their white saviors

You're wishing death upon your own countrymen by the first enemy. The only thing this shows is that your lovelies with religion, and not with Pakistan. Pakistan is simply a national cover for you under which you have Islam.
 
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The best place to teach any religion is the family but Islam can only be taught at the institutional level due to the very complex nature of Islamic doctrines. Jahil parents are unlikely to teach structural Islam to their children.
 
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LOL, oh please f*ck off already.

These liberals secretly wish Pakistan to turn secular and want Muslims to go the way of Christians---and become atheists and agnostics practically. The largest-ever research on American religiosity decline concluded that one of the two biggest factor in secularization of American culture was throwing away of Christianity from public schools. Schools shape our lives more than our parents. We spend more time in school than homes. So it is extremely important to properly educate our children in Islamic studies.

Hopefully this proposal goes through and becomes a huge success Islamically!

Public schools in America abandoned religion completely. No one is telling you to do that.

The best place to teach any religion is the family but Islam can only be taught at the institutional level due to the very complex nature of Islamic doctrines. Jahil parents are unlikely to teach structural Islam to their children.

There is no agreed-upon uniform structure for the complex doctrines of Islam. There lie disagreements in every sect, every country, and every sub-group.
 
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The best place to teach any religion is the family but Islam can only be taught at the institutional level due to the very complex nature of Islamic doctrines. Jahil parents are unlikely to teach structural Islam to their children.

well how do you think are the islamic institutional schools performing here? Any good to show for?

india is much more extremist in following their religion but their economy is bigger,similar is case with israel who are based on religion and have maintained influence over world powers but these liberals only hate Muslims and Islam

india has great education system, we dont have even 1% calibre of school or universties they have especially IT.

the religious extremist you talk about are hardly students.
 
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