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Pakistani civilian victims vent anger over US drones


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When tribal elders from the remote Pakistani region of North Waziristan travelled to Islamabad last week to protest against CIA drone strikes, a teenager called Tariq Khan was among them.

A BBC team caught him on camera, sitting near the front of a tribal assembly, or jirga, listening carefully.

Four days later he was dead - killed by one of the drones he was protesting against.

His family told us two missiles hit the 16-year-old on Monday near Miranshah, the main town in North Waziristan. His 12-year-old cousin Wahid was killed alongside him.

The boys were on their way to see a relative, according to Tariq's uncle, Noor Kalam, who we reached by phone.

He denied that Tariq had any link to militant groups. "We condemn this very strongly," he said. "He was just a normal boy who loved football."

The CIA's drone campaign is a covert war, conducted in remote terrain, where the facts are often in dispute.

The tribal belt is off limits to foreign journalists. Militants often seal off the locations where drone strikes take place. The truth can be buried with the dead.

After the missile strike on Monday, Pakistani officials said four suspected militants had been killed.

If the strike actually killed two young boys - as appears to be the case - it's unlikely anyone will ever be held to account.
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There are no confirmed death tolls but several independent organisations estimate that drones have killed more than 2,000 people since 2004. Most are suspected to be militants.

Many senior commanders from the Taliban and al-Qaeda are among the dead. But campaigners claim there have been hundreds of civilian victims, whose stories are seldom told.


The use of drone missiles has soared
A shy teenage boy called Saadullah is one of them. He survived a drone strike that killed three of his relatives, but he lost both legs, one eye and his hope for the future.

"I wanted to be a doctor," he told me, "but I can't walk to school anymore. When I see others going, I wish I could join them."

Like Tariq, Saadullah travelled to Islamabad for last week's jirga. Seated alongside him was Haji Zardullah, a white-bearded man who said he lost four nephews in a separate attack.

"None of these were harmful people," he said. "Two were still in school and one was in college."

Asghar Khan, a tribal elder in a cream turban, said three of his relatives paid with their lives for visiting a sick neighbour.

"My brother, my nephew and another relative were killed by a drone in 2008," he said. "They were sitting with this sick man when the attack took place. There were no Taliban."

Legal challenges
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Viewed from a drone, any adult male in the tribal areas can look like a target, according to Mirza Shahzad Akbar, a Pakistani lawyer who is taking on the CIA.

"A Taliban or non-Taliban would be dressed in the same way," he said. "Everyone has a beard, a turban and an AK-47 because every person carries a weapon in that area, so anyone could be target."


Campaigners like Clive Stafford Smith say drones are resulting in murder
Mr Akbar is suing the CIA for compensation in the Islamabad High Court, and plans to file a Supreme Court action.

He claims the US is getting away with murder in North Waziristan. It's a view shared by the British legal charity Reprieve, whose director, Clive Stafford Smith, has been meeting drone victims in Pakistan.

"What's going on here, unfortunately, is murder," he said.

"There's a war going on in Afghanistan, but none here in Pakistan, so what the CIA is doing here is illegal."

The CIA would doubtless say otherwise, if it were prepared to discuss the drone programme, but US officials are usually silent on the issue.

In a rare public comment two years ago, the then director of the CIA, Leon Panetta, defended the use of drones.

"We have targeted those who are enemies of the United States," he said. " When we use it, it is very precise and it limits collateral damage."

But the damage is not limited enough, say opponents like Mr Stafford Smith, who is gathering evidence about civilian deaths. From a shopping bag he produced a jagged chunk of metal - a missile fragment - believed to have killed a child in Waziristan in August of last year.

"I have a three-year-old son myself, and the idea that this thing killed someone very much like my little Wilf really tugs at your heart strings," he said.

Mr Stafford Smith says drones are changing the nature of modern warfare.

"If you are trying to surrender and you put your hands up to a drone, what happens?" he asks.

"They just fire the missile, so there are all sorts of Geneva Conventions issues which are not being discussed."

Campaigners also warn that drone strikes are counter-productive, generating more radicalism and more hatred of the West. They say the drone strikes are a Taliban recruiting tool.

At Tariq Khan's funeral, many mourners spoke out against the US, according to his uncle Noor Kalam.

But Washington is unlikely to heed the anger here. Under President Barack Obama, the use of drone missiles has soared - there's an attack on average every four days.

Increasingly, these remote-controlled killers are Washington's weapon of choice.

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BBC News - Pakistani civilian victims vent anger over US drones
 
These poor people have been abandoned by all and left to suffer, no one cares about them, not even their own government and countrymen.
 
sad man us should actually think 100 times before killing someone for them the lives of american citizen are more than any thing but for the people of other country its nothing what about the family of victims what about the impact your leaving on there mind

ITS RIGHTLY SAID THINK BEFORE YOU DO.............
 
Where is TruthSeeker? :angry:
The loss of civilians is regrettable, an unfortunate collateral damage.........

That being said, first 7 foremost, GOP, PAF,and PA are directly responsible.............sorry that is the truth.

lets send them bangles...........

You give someone an inch and they will take a mile. tried and tested !
 
its all pakistans fault for allowing the neo-nazis to allow to bring their drones.

pakistan should make this an international issue and tell china about it.
then china can pressure the neo-nazis into stopping this holocaust.
 
the drone attacks are fuelling radicalization.....but isn't that natural?

if the Americans were smart, they'd have transferred the tech to Pakistan and Pakistan (which is more well-versed on who's who --given its fair share of informants/ground assets) would have obliged


the people of FATA are constituents...they are represented, but they have little voice in this context. Rather than working with them and trying to win their hearts and minds, America has failed. If they want to know why groups like the 'haqqani network' or other factions of taleban (or pro-taleban) ---here is a primary reason.

the drones solution (which is now expanded everywhere from Mexican border to Yemen) is a band-aid solution. Bandaid solutions are not long-lasting and sustainable solutions. In this case, Obama administrations band-aid solutions cause much more harm than good.


they are harming their national interests.....




until the spineless govt. of Pakistan gives the order to the military to take action, the military will have to simply stand by.

there is a divide between State Department and the much vaunted Pentagon/CIA. This is highlighted clearly --- when Pakistan handed over rambo Raymond Davis and just after that, Panetta's drones killed innocent pro-government tribesmen @ a jirga.


the militants attack jirgas, and so did the Americans.....pushing the tribesmen to their limit is a dangerous policy, and it will (and to some extent already is) backfiring.

Cameron Munter begged Langley to hold off on the attacks (which were mere retaliation against Pakistan as a whole). The US Mission in Islamabad was left in the dark and not given any consideration.


this is a dangerous scenario, and we can see that Langley and Pentagon are taking unilateral action and leaving other branches of the US Govt (which deny or do not comment) in total darkness.



there are many Tariq Khan's out there. Pakistani media should expose their cases on a daily basis; clearly the government is incompetent and complicit in the extra-judicial MURDER of Pakistani citizens.
 
The loss of civilians is regrettable, an unfortunate collateral damage.........

That being said, first 7 foremost, GOP, PAF,and PA are directly responsible.............sorry that is the truth.

lets send them bangles...........

You give someone an inch and they will take a mile. tried and tested !


Please refer to statement issued by Chief of Air Force Staff on this issue (as well as those made by his predecessor). He was very much clear about it.
 
Please refer to statement issued by Chief of Air Force Staff on this issue (as well as those made by his predecessor). He was very much clear about it.
Do you feel the need to feed armed forces that requires permission for something that has been going on for past so many years?
 
professional armed forces only take action when the government gives orders to take certain actions; they are not a militia, they cannot act unilaterally

in any government structure/system, the armed forces only undertake an action when an order from the highest authority to give directives are actually given


again i will repeat myself --- review the statements made by the PAF Chief.
 
its all pakistans fault for allowing the neo-nazis to allow to bring their drones.

pakistan should make this an international issue and tell china about it.
then china can pressure the neo-nazis into stopping this holocaust.

Are you saying that China is oblivious to this drone campaign?

I mean, there has been over 300 drone strikes in Pakistan and China still needs to be informed about it? :confused:

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RIP to the boy.
 
The Americans have very flexible morality. One day, you're "innocent until proven guilty", and need to be taken to court if you are a suspect, in a criminal investigation. Next day, they can kill "suspects" with no investigation, along with the suspect's children, neighbors, parents, etc.
 
it's not limited to tribesmen on both sides of the Durand Line ---- but CIA-sponsored extra-judicial attacks have even been carried out against American and EU citizens (passport holders).

in the case of U.S. citizens --this is (legally) an unheard of practice; it's analogous to treason as per U.S. laws. The recent killing of US national Anwar Al Awlaki is a prime example of this. There is a debate going on, but it hardly makes even last page of the newsprints/dailies (if even that)


suffice to say --these drone raids are not cutting the head of the serpent nor are they bringing an end to extremism and militancy....they simply compound the problems, and it's most unfortunate that the spineless, unpatriotic GoP has done nothing of substance to stop them.
 
professional armed forces only take action when the government gives orders to take certain actions; they are not a militia, they cannot act unilaterally

in any government structure/system, the armed forces only undertake an action when an order from the highest authority to give directives are actually given


again i will repeat myself --- review the statements made by the PAF Chief.

Yes, I am aware the statement made by PAF Chief Suleman, it is doubt and fake show to impress us. A good lesson of May 1.

Assure you, the government will NEVER give orders, you will see.

We have seen many intrusions interferences by US/NATO, I was talking about the example of May 2 using stealth helicopters and Chinook. If PAF react, there will be warning from F-18s, F16s, and AWAC. I know the deal was done between US and Pakistan before it happened.

PAF doesn't have capable against best air-forces in the world. Mirages and F-7s are old planes and should retire immediately which is impossible to face challenges by US. I tell you the truth, we haven't basically shot down drones as well as future intrusions.

No order by Pakistan government or Army, silence is only option we have so far.

“We are defending with full force and resolve our sovereignty and national interest."- Air Chief Marshall

He said thousand times and lied in front of us, Suleman (short-guy) should be replaced asap.

Never order by government permanently. COAS Kiyani mostly silences and giggles behind curtain closed. (Hint: Pakistan intercept Indian chopper, why not NATO chopper? This give you ideas)
 
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