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Tariq Khan 16 year old drone victim!

its all pakistans fault for allowing the neo-nazis to allow to bring their drones.

pakistan should make this an international issue and tell china about it.
then china can pressure the neo-nazis into stopping this holocaust.

You have to understand that this government is completely in America's pocket. The US *facilitated* this government's coming into power. Their previous pet, Musharraf, would still not go as far as these people do now, perhaps not because of morals but because the Army would skewer him alive if he did(he had to "clean the house" at the ISI, to remove most of the opposition).

Under US pressure, Musharraf "forgave" hundreds of billions of dollars of corruption and looted $$$, forgave murder cases(current President had 4 murder cases on him), and allowed these people to return to Pakistani politics. Even the election they came into power with was a sham, with it being proved that half the votes were faked. So, we can't expect Pakistan's democratic "leadership" to bring the US to justice over this.Many people went towards the main opposition party in this "democracy", and this opposition party(PML-N, former Prime Minister "Nawaz Sharif") led a huge rally to Islamabad to change this government.

Unfortunately, he got a call from high-ups in the US mid-way to Islamabad, and given how politicians are almost always buyable to the highest bidder almost anywhere, the main opposition in this democracy also fell in line, supporting the US and the US-puppet government. The people are deeply resentful, and many people have been predicting this government's downfall ever since they came, but so far, with US help and US interests backing this "democracy", it's proven resilient so far.

I don't think the people are to be blamed for the actions of this government, this government is wildly unpopular.
 
COAS Kiyani mostly silences and giggles behind curtain closed. (Hint: Pakistan intercept Indian chopper, why not NATO chopper? This give you ideas)

I don't support everything the army's doing - they're reactive, the US keeps pulling weird stunts, and all they do is react from crisis to crisis. However, the only place the US is getting resistance from in Pakistan, is the Army. Even though that isn't much resistance, they bend to US' will on some things, but refuse on others(North Waziristan operation).

I'm reminded of a saying by Salahuddin Ayubi. He said, that in times where it's hard to tell Haq(truth) from Batil(falsehood), see where the enemy's arrows are falling. That is where the Haq is resisting.

Rightnow, despite the meek and calculated responses, the only place the enemy is getting any resistance from, is the Army. They're flawed, perhaps afraid of seeing the US eye-to-eye, or facing them in combat toe-to-toe. They still get alot of flak and targetted attacks from the US, their media propaganda machine, US politicians, military higher-ups, etc. I don't agree with their meek and calculated response to US insults(sometimes too meek), but I don't see anyone else standing up for Pakistan's interests(except non-state actors, like the unelected Imran Khan who starts rallies to block US supplies sometimes - some allege he does that with the Army's approval, but we can't be sure without evidence, only accusations from hostile politicians currently in-power).
 
I don't support everything the army's doing - they're reactive, the US keeps pulling weird stunts, and all they do is react from crisis to crisis. However, the only place the US is getting resistance from in Pakistan, is the Army. Even though that isn't much resistance, they bend to US' will on some things, but refuse on others(North Waziristan operation).

I'm reminded of a saying by Salahuddin Ayubi. He said, that in times where it's hard to tell Haq(truth) from Batil(falsehood), see where the enemy's arrows are falling. That is where the Haq is resisting.

Rightnow, despite the meek and calculated responses, the only place the enemy is getting any resistance from, is the Army. They're flawed, perhaps afraid of seeing the US eye-to-eye, or facing them in combat toe-to-toe. They still get alot of flak and targetted attacks from the US, their media propaganda machine, US politicians, military higher-ups, etc. I don't agree with their meek and calculated response to US insults(sometimes too meek), but I don't see anyone else standing up for Pakistan's interests(except non-state actors, like the unelected Imran Khan who starts rallies to block US supplies sometimes - some allege he does that with the Army's approval, but we can't be sure without evidence, only accusations from hostile politicians currently in-power).

Definitely you are correct, Army approved drones freely now to the North Waziristan, which is good thing or bad. It is up to Pakistan people's judges. I am deeply disappointed with the institutions especially both bad-looking Kiyani and nerd Suleman unprofessionally. I am amazed many Pakistanis feel secured by the statements assurances from them, it already give us a false hopeand dramas due to the lack fundamentals of government.

Still I can say good example is former FM Mahmood Qureshi who stand up. It is hard to trust nowadays, only way is Imran Khan we can change Pakistan hopefully.
 
I observe here ppl point out many serious issues but no one suggest how to come over issues
only blame games.
what can stop these drones?
 
Daphne Eviatar: CIA Drones Gone Wild?

The Wall Street Journal reported last week that the U.S. government doesn't actually know who it's killing with many of its drone strikes in Pakistan. That suggests the United States may well be violating international law.

As the Journal reports, the bulk of the CIA's drone strikes are "signature strikes," which "target groups of men believed to be militants associated with terrorist groups, but whose identities aren't always known."

The Journal notes that the State Department had some concerns about the CIA's aggressiveness, since it was, not surprisingly, upsetting local Pakistanis. But what the Journal doesn't mention, and what's rarely mentioned in the media's coverage of the drone war, is the legal implications of targeting unknown people merely because they're "believed to be militants associated with terrorist groups." Sure, no court is likely to stop the administration from doing it, as we saw when a D.C. District Court dismissed a lawsuit challenging the CIA's targeting of the U.S.-born Muslim cleric Anwar al-Awlaki. But if the U.S. turns out to be blatantly violating the international laws of war, that sets a dangerous precedent -- not only for the United States, but for our enemies.

Under international laws of war, a targeted killing, by drone or otherwise, is only lawful if the target was, at the time of the strike, either "directly participating in hostilities" or performing a "continuous combat function." Alternatively, the U.S. government could kill someone in self-defense if he poses an imminent threat to the United States. If the CIA is killing groups of unidentified individuals merely because it believes they're associated with terrorist groups, however, that doesn't meet the legal requirement.

As Spencer Ackerman posed the question on Wired's Dangerroom blog: Can CIA analysts, based on cameras strapped to their Predator and Reaper drones or information provided by local spies, distinguish the actual terrorists from "who, say, drops off the terrorists' laundry"? While that may be difficult in a war with shadowy terrorist groups, it's what the law -- and common sense and basic morality -- requires.

Although the U.S. government doesn't even acknowledge it has a drone program, let alone provide evidence of who that program kills, there's reason to believe it's killing a significant number of innocent people.

Clive Stafford Smith, a U.S. lawyer at the UK-based legal organization Reprieve, wrote in the New York Times last week about a 16-year-old boy he'd met after convening a group of villagers living along the Afghan-Pakistan border to talk about the impact of the drone war. The teenager, Tariq Aziz, had volunteered to collect evidence about the casualties of drone strikes in his area. Three days later, he and his 12-year-old cousin, Waheed Khan, were killed by a CIA strike themselves, writes Smith.


Were the boys targeted, and had they been militants? It's impossible to know. The United States has not only classified its drone program, but refused to release information about who it's targeting and why, or about who else is getting killed in the process.

John Brennan, President Obama's senior counterterrorism adviser, has actually claimed "there hasn't been a single collateral death" from drone strikes, due to their precision.

But that stands in stark contrast to the findings of such groups as the Bureau for Investigative Journalism, which has been reporting on the casualties of drone strikes since 2004. The team of British and Pakistani journalists in a report released in August documented 306 strikes from remotely piloted drones that killed between 2,359 and 2,959 people. The bureau reports that in Pakistan, it has found credible reports of 392 civilian deaths, include 175 children.

Even the New America Foundation, which accepts the U.S. government's definition of who is or is not a "militant," as reflected in press accounts of drone strikes in Pakistan, has found that 20 percent of those killed by drones have been civilians. Significantly, the government has refused to say how it defines a "militant," so it's not at all clear that its definition is consistent with international law. John Brennan's claim suggests it is not.

Some Americans might think that 20 percent is an acceptable casualty rate in a war, assuming such attacks are really necessary to stop terrorism. (That casualty rate is politically more palatable in the United States when the victims aren't American.) But international law also requires that the civilian deaths be "proportional" to the importance of the military target.

Groups like the Bureau for Investigative Journalism report that of the militants killed, most are likely low-ranking foot soldiers. Only 150 have even been named since 2004.

And regardless of whether they're legal, are all these strikes really necessary? Lots of experts say no, and insist they could actually be counterproductive. That includes such senior former officials as retired admiral and former Director of National Intelligence Dennis Blair. The Wall Street Journal reports on growing dissent within the Obama administration:

"Many officials at the Pentagon and State Department privately argued the CIA pays too little attention to the diplomatic costs of air strikes that kill large groups of low-level fighters. Such strikes inflame Pakistani public opinion. Observers point to the rising power in Pakistan of political figures like Imran Khan, who held large rallies to protest the drones and could challenge the current government."


Retired Admiral Mike Mullen argued that the CIA needed to be "more selective" in its strikes, and former Defense Secretary Robert Gates reportedly feared that the drone program could lead the Pakistanis to block the flow of supplies to troops in Afghanistan.

In other words, the costs and benefits -- and the legality -- of the entire secret U.S. drone program remain unclear. At the very least, all this highlights the need for the Obama administration to lay out what exactly is its "secret" drone policy, what legal criteria it follows in deciding whom to target, and who else is getting killed in the process. Lawmakers, policy experts and former government officials spanning the political spectrum argued for more transparency around the U.S. drone program after the killing of al-Awlaki. The news that the CIA doesn't even know who it's targeting much of the time lends even more urgency to that call.

Conor Friedersdorf in the Atlantic reminds us that we learned, years later, that the Bush administration had imprisoned hundreds of innocent people at the Guantanamo Bay prison, notwithstanding former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld's assurance that they were all "the worst of the worst."

With the Obama administration now killing hundreds of terrorism suspects abroad, we shouldn't be any more satisfied with its opaque assurances that it's only targeting the guilty ones.
 
The Taliban has child soldiers as well. Don't believe this propaganda to stop the drones that are killing the Taliban. After all if they went around looking for spies to kill that are providing the info or attacking Pakistani military facilities or personnel, then its working.
 
The Taliban has child soldiers as well. Don't believe this propaganda to stop the drones that are killing the Taliban. After all if they went around looking for spies to kill that are providing the info or attacking Pakistani military facilities or personnel, then its working.

Oh shut the blood hell up! u r full of nonsense... the boy was a innocent kid who was killed by ur pathetic ... sittin in pentagon u pathetic man!

U ..... have killed thousands of innocent men,women and children in these strikes..


Do these women,children-babies look like taliban?
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How would u feel if ur children wife die like this?
Rot in hell usa!
 
The Taliban has child soldiers as well. Don't believe this propaganda to stop the drones that are killing the Taliban. After all if they went around looking for spies to kill that are providing the info or attacking Pakistani military facilities or personnel, then its working.

Oh come OLD man i was not expecting ........... U are killing us every day and night and u are tagging them Taliban just coz now they are killed.

I have very less expectation from a nation made from thieves, looters and murders to take any sympathy on killing of human beings.U have till now killed millions in Iraq , Afghanistan , and now in Pakistan and u are continuing the killings.

These drones attack should be stopped at any cost they are not doing any good to Pakistan.
 
U still believe your super duper Media (propoganda terrorists).Arnt they the ones responsible for supporting IRAQ WMD's right.

There are million of cases they have killed innocent civilians with the bombs .U will not accept it , i know that but

the terorist media is equally responsible for the chaos in this world right now.
 
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