Tareen announces like-minded group

[syedtalhamaududi]

Jahangir Tareen, Shaukat Tareen and Shaukat Khanum what a circus,

 

[muhammadhafeezmalik]

FIRST T( TAREEN) IS OUT , THEN SHAH JEE,S ( P) WILL BE OUT
AND AT THE END IT WILL BE LEFT WITH ONLY ( I- ------------ FOR IMRAN..

P-T--I.


AND THEY WERE TAKING OUT S- FROM NOON -LEAGUE.,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,HAHAHHAHA

P is for Pasha.

 

[Baghial]

P is for Pasha.

p is for pesha- wer - haramis

 

[PakPrinciples]

Incompetent Buzdar suits politics of PMLN.

Your statement is actually dead on and I'm surprised more people haven't realized this.

Personally I will continue to support those patriots that vote for the PTI or PML-N but my view is that neither, particularly the PPP, is a good option for Pakistan.

There's a lot of guys on here that are PTI supporters who I like and there are others on here who are PML-N supporters I like as well and I don't see either being any less dedicated to the Islamic Republic of Pakistan.

I personally still have more hopes for the PTI than the PML-N or PPP but I've moved on.

My future PM hopeful at the moment is Shaheer Sialvi and it appears he's getting serious about it to:

Shaheer is young, religious, patriotic, educated, outspoken and committed patriot:

And I respect that he raises his own son:

You guys should have a look at his personal youtube page, he's got a lot of his speeches and debates on there.

I think it might be time for younger Pakistani's to get more actively involved in running the country.

Jehangir Tareen will sink. He cant compete with Imran. If it comes to it, Imran will sacrifice his government than be blackmailed. This is Imran Khan, not Nawaz Sharif who will do anything to flee the country.

Honestly I think this is BS otherwise what are they blackmailing him for?

Khan keeps saying that the corrupt "mafia's" are demanding NRO's from him:

"The corrupt mafia has again joined hands to protect their plunder and corruption but I will not give them NRO, come what may..." ​

Mafia will never succeed in getting NRO: PM​

It's not that Khan won't give it to them he can't and him implying otherwise is nonsense.

The Supreme Court officially ruled that NRO's are unconstitutional back on December 16, 2009 :
Supreme Court declares NRO null and void

Khan could write whatever he wants so can Bajwa but neither of them can ever pardon anyone for their crimes and even attempting to do so may be criminal.

There's no question about their legality anymore the fact is NRO's aren't because the Pakistani constitution doesn't have a Presidential Pardon system like the US does and trying to impose one would be in violation of a number of other Articles of our constitution (ex. Article 4, 8, 25, 62, 63, 89, 175 and 227) as per the Supreme Court ruling.

So why would the PML-N, PPP or whichever corrupt "mafia" he's referring to ever ask him for something that he can't give in the first place?

If not an NRO than what else couldn't they get with the PTI out of power?

The courts will arrest and jail these men whether they like it or not and Nawaz Sharif being found guilty of corruption during his own tenure as PM and subsequently removed from office is a prime example of that.

Anyone who think the Shariff's are innocent patriots is delusional, they are trash.

Is Khan suggesting they are trying to get him to put pressure on judges to stop cases against them?

Honestly I am disappointed in JKT. I know most, if not all politicians have skeletons in their closets. But he came across as a smart individual, who was committed to the cause.

It was incredibly hypocritical of him to preach one thing in public, and do the opposite. And now his behavior has exposed him completely as just another corrupt, manipulative, and selfish politician, who will go to any lengths to protect his interests.

It's quite unfortunate.

To be frank I find that Khan himself is one giant hypocrite saying one thing and then doing another.

When Khan was in the opposition he was opposed to PML-N's plans to raise gasoline prices protesting vigorously against the removal of subsidies that don't exist in India or Bangladesh and rob the state of revenues that could be allocated towards industry and debt alleviation:

https://twitter.com/x/status/561133228392607744

Then when he's in power he decides to raise gasoline prices well beyond the price he himself initially suggested if you adjusted for inflation making it around Rs. 108/liter now (instead of Rs. 89/liter) despite the fact that average international crude oil prices have been ~16% lower during his term than the PML-N's:
Imran Khan 'under fire' after Pakistan govt hikes petrol price by a staggering Rs 25

Don't get me wrong, I support removing these subsidies because imo they aren't helping instead they hurt the country but why oppose it when you're in opposition and then support it when you're in charge?

Khan told us that he'd commit suicide before taking a loan from the IMF but what does he do when he becomes PM? He takes IMF loan after IMF loan.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1049331233791115267

He's denouncing India for its fake news and propaganda campaigns against Pakistan. However Khan and the PTI have a history of aiding/defending those same groups and people that are working with India and the West in their campaigns against Pakistan including BLA terrorist Hyrbyair Marri, PTM terrorist Ali Wazir, the organizers of the Aurut March, etc...:
I'd do the same as terror suspects, says Imran Khan

https://twitter.com/x/status/1011625854546382849

I don't think this is just a problem with Tareen, the PPP, the PML-N, Nawaz Sharif, Zardari, etc... but also Khan and the PTI as well.

Imran Khan has been constantly saying about the possibilites of sitting in opposition for the last couple of months rather than compromising on the corruption since he knows that he has pissed off not just the opposition but some powerful corrupt elite within his party as well.

What's the point of "siting in opposition"?

If Khan loses the 2023 elections I honestly can't see him forming another government again.

How much longer do you think Khan is going to be around?

Khan will be 70 years old in 2023 and if he loses he'll be 75 in 2028 just short of how old a senile Biden is now and around the same age as a mentally handicapped Donald Trump.

I do not see him sticking around to try again and he may not even get another shot.

Furthermore the fiery speeches and civil disobedience particularly from 2010-2016 that lead to a dramatic increase in support for him and his subsequent 2018 victory will now land him in prison and result in his party being instantly banned and disbanded.

I personally hink Pakistan needs new blood like Shaheer Sialvi to lead the country forward not tired old men.

Zulfi Bukhari will always back IK , media speculation is bullshit at every level. Its just that he wants IK JKT coalition back again and rightly so. But apparantly its more looking towards the end of this Govt as IK seemed to have prepared his mind for dissolving the assemblies perhaps with in this year or if they don't get the backing of JKT group to pass the finance bill, than much sooner.

The problem is that public opinion polls already confirm that the majority of Pakistani's see Khan and the PTI's attacks on the PML-N and PPP as being politically motivated not a means to end corruption in the country:
IPOR | A Nation-wide Public Opinion Survey on Current Political Situation PTI Government Vs. PDM November 2020

So how do you think it'll look when you reintegrate a tax evading Tareen, the baron of the corrupt Sugar Mafia, back into the party?

Khan has no choice at this point because if he brings Tareen back he's lost his whole anti-corruption narrative which is all the PTI has left.

My personal view is hat people are outright misunderstanding and misrepresenting the PTI's performance both good and bad.

Even Khan understands that his party has under performed:
Time for performance has arrived, Pak PM Imran Khan tells his ministers

Everyone forgets it's the rupee devaluation that lead to the rise in exports, drop in imports and helped pay down our sovereign debt. Though the media has made points about the immense mount of money Khan and the PTI borrowed in their first two years it was to pay down old devalued debt which was smart.

The PML-N's refusal to devalue the rupee was one of the major criticisms people had as did the State Bank of Pakistan and we all know why the PML-N refused to devalue the rupee (i.e. they wanted to keep inflation low and show yoy economic growth in USD which was to hide the horrific state of the nations economy).

Furthermore, Covid19 didn't hurt Pakistan's economy it actually helped us since we kept our factories open while major regional competitors, particularly India, shut down. We're a nation that imports over 200% more than we export so when the pandemic disrupted the global supply chain alongside our devalued rupee even though we witnessed a slight drop in exports in 2020 the drop in imports was so large that we actually saw a $10 Billion USD decrease in our overall trade deficit which as you can guess helped reduce the current account deficit.
https://www.sbp.org.pk/ecodata/ExportsImports-Goods-Arch.xls

However Khan should be given credit for allowing the rupee to devalue and not shutting down the economy.

Our remittance "surge" is owed to a host of factors including:

1. Clampdowns globally and domestically in Pakistan on informal money transfer schemes like Hawala to comply with FATF requirements. Furthermore the heavy restrictions on movement, particularly air travel, during the Covid19 pandemic have greatly impeded the ability of hawala networks to operate and transport money
2. The increased availability of technology has made money transfer through formal mechanisms easier, faster and just as cheap.
3. Flow of overseas workers returning to Pakistan due to Covid19 lockdowns resulting in many of them transfering savings, which included money for Hajj, back home and this time through banks rather than carrying it on their person due to Covid19 travel restrictions and clampdowns on informal money transfer schemes like hawala.
4. Overseas Pakistani's remitting extra money saved because of Covid19 (ex. I saved a TON on not using Uber and Lyft to get around).

In fact exactly what I suspected was happening is highlighted in the article below:
What's behind Pakistan's pandemic-defying remittance boom?

This has been happening slowly over the past few years as more people opened bank accounts and saw more options made available to expats and locals such as Western Union but was expedited after Pakistan was put on the FATF grey list in June 2018.

So what you're seeing isn't this massive growth in remittances it's more like money Pakistan couldn't see before so wasn't able to count towards our current account.

Furthermore, a surge in remittances isn't necessarily a good sign what it also means is that people in Pakistan are increasingly struggling to get by so need their overseas acquaintances to send back more money like when inflation increases dramatically for example like what's been happening since 2018:

Pakistan needs a Presidential system, democracy should be scrapped.

Presidential system is still democracy.

There are advantages and disadvantages to both.

Typical laanti Patwaari mentality. What has Imran Khan wife got to do with it?

I agree, Bushra Bibi is a good woman and insults against her are intolerable, disgusting and unpatriotic.

Musharraf f*up everything by giving NRO to corrupt mafia. He had the chance to fix so many things.

Those NRO's were useless they only gave the PPP and PML-N momentary respite because the Supreme Court ruled in 2009 that they are illegal making them null void and confirmed for all that no government, including Khan's, could ever offer one.

Nawaz Sharif and subsequently Musharraf were a disaster by tearing down protective tariffs that also resulted in a loss of ~4% of GDP in tax revenues and exposed our ill prepared industries to foreign competition against multi billion dollar foreign industries that produced on far larger markets of scale that eventually resulted in our industries collapsing in 2005.

Then came Musharraf's FTA to China which did even more harm.

 

[Norwegian]

Khan and the PTI reintroduced the patwari system to Punjab:
Punjab revives old patwar system by replacing ARCs

So is this an insult or praise?

Fake news. The land record system is still digital. These new people hired are computer experts to help get land records from computer system for less literate rural population

 

[PakPrinciples]

Fake news. The land record system is still digital. These new people hired are computer experts to help get land records from computer system for less literate rural population

I'll look into it further but for now I've removed that segment of my post.

Appreciate the feedback.

 

[Amaa'n]

31 lawmakers belonging to Punjab Assembly and National Assembly attend the event hosted by estranged PTI leader

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Jahangir Khan Tareen addressing allied MNAs at his residence in Islamabad. PHOTO: EXPRESS

The Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) government has faced another setback as estranged party leader Jahangir Tareen launched a group of like-minded lawmakers in the National Assembly and the Punjab Assembly at a dinner he hosted for his supporters, Express News reported late on Tuesday.

According to the report, Raja Riaz will be the parliamentary leader of the Jahangir Tareen like-minded group in the National Assembly, while Saeed Akbar Nawani will be the parliamentary leader in the Punjab Assembly.

Noman Langarial, one of the supporters of Tareen, who attended the dinner, said that 31 lawmakers attended the event. Punjab Assembly Member (MPA) Salman Naeem said during the dinner that supporters of Tareen decided to formally launch their own faction.

“Jahangir Tareen is scheduled to appear in court on Wednesday (today). What happened to Tareen is wrong,” Langarial said, referring to charges against the PTI leader related to the sugar scandal. “That's why we are supporting him [Tareen],” he said. “We have confidence in Prime Minister Imran Khan but we agree on our agenda,” he added.

MPA Naeem said that like-minded members have decided to hold their power show in the Punjab Assembly on Friday.

Sources privy to the development said a meeting of the group has been convened again on Sunday in which the next course of action will be decided.

Reacting to the development, PTI leader Senator Faisal Javed Khan wrote “Imran Khan is PTI & PTI is Imran Khan” on his official Twitter handle.

Tareen said earlier this month that PM Imran assured his friends – the ruling party lawmakers who have rallied around the PTI’s disgruntled leader – that “he [PM] is monitoring my matter personally".

"The PM met my friends and the meeting concluded on a positive note. My friends conveyed their concerns to the premier at length, who assured that he will see the matter personally," Tareen said while talking to the media after a court appearance.
"The premier assured that justice will be meted out," the PTI former secretary general said.

A total of 28 PTI lawmakers – including both National Assembly and provincial assembly members – called on the prime minister on April 27 for “seeking justice” for Tareen who is among the sugar mills owners facing a Federal Investigation Agency (FIA) crackdown.

Tareen announces like-minded group | The Express Tribune

31 lawmakers said to have attended dinner

tribune.com.pk

utterly disgusting derogatory remarks towards First Lady ---

 

[muhammadhafeezmalik]

Your statement is actually dead on and I'm surprised more people haven't realized this.

Personally I will continue to support those patriots that vote for the PTI or PML-N but my view is that neither, particularly the PPP, is a good option for Pakistan.

There's a lot of guys on here that are PTI supporters who I like and there are others on here who are PML-N supporters I like as well and I don't see either being any less dedicated to the Islamic Republic of Pakistan.

I personally still have more hopes for the PTI than the PML-N or PPP but I've moved on.

My future PM hopeful at the moment is Shaheer Sialvi and it appears he's getting serious about it to:

Shaheer is young, religious, patriotic, educated, outspoken and committed patriot:

And I respect that he raises his own son:

You guys should have a look at his personal youtube page, he's got a lot of his speeches and debates on there.

I think it might be time for younger Pakistani's to get more actively involved in running the country.



Honestly I think this is BS otherwise what are they blackmailing him for?

Khan keeps saying that the corrupt "mafia's" are demanding NRO's from him:

"The corrupt mafia has again joined hands to protect their plunder and corruption but I will not give them NRO, come what may..." ​

Mafia will never succeed in getting NRO: PM​

It's not that Khan won't give it to them he can't and him implying otherwise is nonsense.

The Supreme Court officially ruled that NRO's are unconstitutional back on December 16, 2009 :
Supreme Court declares NRO null and void

Khan could write whatever he wants so can Bajwa but neither of them can ever pardon anyone for their crimes and even attempting to do so may be criminal.

There's no question about their legality anymore the fact is NRO's aren't because the Pakistani constitution doesn't have a Presidential Pardon system like the US does and trying to impose one would be in violation of a number of other Articles of our constitution (ex. Article 4, 8, 25, 62, 63, 89, 175 and 227) as per the Supreme Court ruling.

So why would the PML-N, PPP or whichever corrupt "mafia" he's referring to ever ask him for something that he can't give in the first place?

If not an NRO than what else couldn't they get with the PTI out of power?

The courts will arrest and jail these men whether they like it or not and Nawaz Sharif being found guilty of corruption during his own tenure as PM and subsequently removed from office is a prime example of that.

Anyone who think the Shariff's are innocent patriots is delusional, they are trash.

Is Khan suggesting they are trying to get him to put pressure on judges to stop cases against them?



To be frank I find that Khan himself is one giant hypocrite saying one thing and then doing another.

When Khan was in the opposition he was opposed to PML-N's plans to raise gasoline prices protesting vigorously against the removal of subsidies that don't exist in India or Bangladesh and rob the state of revenues that could be allocated towards industry and debt alleviation:

https://twitter.com/x/status/561133228392607744

Then when he's in power he decides to raise gasoline prices well beyond the price he himself initially suggested if you adjusted for inflation making it around Rs. 108/liter now (instead of Rs. 89/liter) despite the fact that average international crude oil prices have been ~16% lower during his term than the PML-N's:
Imran Khan 'under fire' after Pakistan govt hikes petrol price by a staggering Rs 25

Don't get me wrong, I support removing these subsidies because imo they aren't helping instead they hurt the country but why oppose it when you're in opposition and then support it when you're in charge?

Khan told us that he'd commit suicide before taking a loan from the IMF but what does he do when he becomes PM? He takes IMF loan after IMF loan.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1049331233791115267

He's denouncing India for its fake news and propaganda campaigns against Pakistan. However Khan and the PTI have a history of aiding/defending those same groups and people that are working with India and the West in their campaigns against Pakistan including BLA terrorist Hyrbyair Marri, PTM terrorist Ali Wazir, the organizers of the Aurut March, etc...:
I'd do the same as terror suspects, says Imran Khan

https://twitter.com/x/status/1011625854546382849

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I don't think this is just a problem with Tareen, the PPP, the PML-N, Nawaz Sharif, Zardari, etc... but also Khan and the PTI as well.



What's the point of "siting in opposition"?

If Khan loses the 2023 elections I honestly can't see him forming another government again.

How much longer do you think Khan is going to be around?

Khan will be 70 years old in 2023 and if he loses he'll be 75 in 2028 just short of how old a senile Biden is now and around the same age as a mentally handicapped Donald Trump.

I do not see him sticking around to try again and he may not even get another shot.

Furthermore the fiery speeches and civil disobedience particularly from 2010-2016 that lead to a dramatic increase in support for him and his subsequent 2018 victory will now land him in prison and result in his party being instantly banned and disbanded.

I personally hink Pakistan needs new blood like Shaheer Sialvi to lead the country forward not tired old men.



The problem is that public opinion polls already confirm that the majority of Pakistani's see Khan and the PTI's attacks on the PML-N and PPP as being politically motivated not a means to end corruption in the country:
IPOR | A Nation-wide Public Opinion Survey on Current Political Situation PTI Government Vs. PDM November 2020

So how do you think it'll look when you reintegrate a tax evading Tareen, the baron of the corrupt Sugar Mafia, back into the party?

Khan has no choice at this point because if he brings Tareen back he's lost his whole anti-corruption narrative which is all the PTI has left.

My personal view is hat people are outright misunderstanding and misrepresenting the PTI's performance both good and bad.

Even Khan understands that his party has under performed:
Time for performance has arrived, Pak PM Imran Khan tells his ministers

Everyone forgets it's the rupee devaluation that lead to the rise in exports, drop in imports and helped pay down our sovereign debt. Though the media has made points about the immense mount of money Khan and the PTI borrowed in their first two years it was to pay down old devalued debt which was smart.

The PML-N's refusal to devalue the rupee was one of the major criticisms people had as did the State Bank of Pakistan and we all know why the PML-N refused to devalue the rupee (i.e. they wanted to keep inflation low and show yoy economic growth in USD which was to hide the horrific state of the nations economy).

Furthermore, Covid19 didn't hurt Pakistan's economy it actually helped us since we kept our factories open while major regional competitors, particularly India, shut down. We're a nation that imports over 200% more than we export so when the pandemic disrupted the global supply chain alongside our devalued rupee even though we witnessed a slight drop in exports in 2020 the drop in imports was so large that we actually saw a $10 Billion USD decrease in our overall trade deficit which as you can guess helped reduce the current account deficit.
https://www.sbp.org.pk/ecodata/ExportsImports-Goods-Arch.xls

However Khan should be given credit for allowing the rupee to devalue and not shutting down the economy.

Our remittance "surge" is owed to a host of factors including:

1. Clampdowns globally and domestically in Pakistan on informal money transfer schemes like Hawala to comply with FATF requirements. Furthermore the heavy restrictions on movement, particularly air travel, during the Covid19 pandemic have greatly impeded the ability of hawala networks to operate and transport money
2. The increased availability of technology has made money transfer through formal mechanisms easier, faster and just as cheap.
3. Flow of overseas workers returning to Pakistan due to Covid19 lockdowns resulting in many of them transfering savings, which included money for Hajj, back home and this time through banks rather than carrying it on their person due to Covid19 travel restrictions and clampdowns on informal money transfer schemes like hawala.
4. Overseas Pakistani's remitting extra money saved because of Covid19 (ex. I saved a TON on not using Uber and Lyft to get around).

In fact exactly what I suspected was happening is highlighted in the article below:
What's behind Pakistan's pandemic-defying remittance boom?

This has been happening slowly over the past few years as more people opened bank accounts and saw more options made available to expats and locals such as Western Union but was expedited after Pakistan was put on the FATF grey list in June 2018.

So what you're seeing isn't this massive growth in remittances it's more like money Pakistan couldn't see before so wasn't able to count towards our current account.

Furthermore, a surge in remittances isn't necessarily a good sign what it also means is that people in Pakistan are increasingly struggling to get by so need their overseas acquaintances to send back more money like when inflation increases dramatically for example like what's been happening since 2018:

Presidential system is still democracy.

There are advantages and disadvantages to both.



I agree, Bushra Bibi is a good woman and insults against her are intolerable, disgusting and unpatriotic.



Those NRO's were useless they only gave the PPP and PML-N momentary respite because the Supreme Court ruled in 2009 that they are illegal making them null void and confirmed for all that no government, including Khan's, could ever offer one.

Nawaz Sharif and subsequently Musharraf were a disaster by tearing down protective tariffs that also resulted in a loss of ~4% of GDP in tax revenues and exposed our ill prepared industries to foreign competition against multi billion dollar foreign industries that produced on far larger markets of scale that eventually resulted in our industries collapsing in 2005.

Then came Musharraf's FTA to China which did even more harm.

Good luck to Mr. Shaheer Sialvi.