Taliban publicize training camp in northern Afghanistan

[pakdefender]

to ensure a tit for tat

What is the above supposed to mean ? you want to elaborate on it mister retired US state department person

 

[Selous]

Then you will have the TTP and other groups in the future to ensure a tit for tat. Why would you want that? How many of Peshawar like massacres are you willing to digest?

Are you saying that Pakistan, including all of your family are willing to risk death over some allegiance to the Afghan Taliban? And that you're willing to sacrifice Pakistani women, children and innocent civilians, for a group called the Afghan taliban and it taking over once again?

I'd really like to know what is your end game if Pakistan, a country I have much respect for, continues on the path and vision you have proscribed?

What if I told you that the Afghan Taliban condemned the Peshawar attack. The TTP and Afghan Taliban are not related. If there are relations then they are tribal in nature and not ideological.

 

[That Guy]

You can't wait for Taliban to take Afghanistan ?

Keep in mind it will strengthen TTP.

As much as I hate to admit it, it does look more and more like the afghan Taliban will probably take over a large portion of Afghanistan after the withdrawal. The TTP is soon going to start operating openly in Afghanistan. Best Pakistan can do is tighten the border and monitor the human traffic going back and forth between the two countries, and pressure Ghani to allow PAF to get involved.

What if I told you that the Afghan Taliban condemned the Peshawar attack. The TTP and Afghan Taliban are not related. If there are relations then they are tribal in nature and not ideological.

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They operate along side each other. They're guilty by association.

Also, Putin isn't the best person to be quoting.

 

[pakdefender]

Then you would agree that Pakistan's should quit its support of the Afghan Taliban and its council that sits in Quetta ?

The next flying carpet , taking Taliban from Quetta-Pakistan to Faryab province in Afghanistan , will leave at o six hundred hours

 

[Kompromat]

Then you would agree that Pakistan's should quit its support of the Afghan Taliban and its council that sits in Quetta ?

Pakistan doesn't support the Afghan Taliban. We have had links with them just like the US does. I am sure you know how and who facilitated the Qatar initiative. Our issues with the Afghan Taliban are much deeper than the insurgency. Since the US has successfully applied the good old divide and rule tactic, keeping Pashtuns away from the ANA and majority of the govt institution's fold, mainly due to the massacre of up to 3000 Pashtun POWs from Qila Jhangi which took place at the behest of the US Special Forces by the mercenaries of Abdul Rasheed Dostam. The massacre has since been covered up and Abdul Rasheed Dostam, instead of being prosecuted by an international criminal court for war crimes has not only gotten away Scott free but also served as the JCSC and now the Vice President of Afghanistan. The US soldiers who took part in the massacre have of course gotten away since it happened in the name of lady freedom and killing Muslim Pashtoon POWs in the middle of the desert is simply not worthy of mention, let alone of any legal inquiry.

The simple fact is that the Afghan Taliban are different from the Pakistani Taliban. The Afghan Taliban are fighting against a foreign enemy, while TTP works for whoever pays it the most with no clear objectives of its own. Pakistan can't break with the Afghan Taliban even if it wants to. The Afghan Taliban are the only ones standing between the Pashtun population of Afghanistan and their nemesis from the former Northern Alliance, which now has been rebranded and rearmed by the US as the ANA. If Afghan Taliban is taken out of the picture, there would be an instant slaughter of Pashtuns taking place by the ANA, just like there was no one to protect the Sunnis from Shia Nuri Al Maliki govt in Iraq which subsequently lead to the creation of ISIS. Until the Afghan Taliban hold genuine support and capital among the majority of Afghan population, which are Pashtuns, Pakistan cannot break with them, even if it wants to. The Quetta Shura exists with the full knowledge and approval of the US govt. Its purpose was to keep a window open for dialogue with the Taliban. Scrapping the Quetta Shura means, scrapping any chances of permanent settlement in Afghanistan. I don't know who in their right minds would suggest such a thing.

 

[Foggy_Bottom]

What if I told you that the Afghan Taliban condemned the Peshawar attack. The TTP and Afghan Taliban are not related. If there are relations then they are tribal in nature and not ideological.

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And what if I told you that Al qaeda was also against such acts, would that make them acceptable of your support too?

When you allow attacks on Afghanistan by supporting Afghan Taliban, you then force the Afghans to look the other way with TTP. Then it's like the tit for tat I mentioned. Are you are willing to risk such a back and forth and for what?

You are cognizant of the fact that there is no way in hell that the U.S. and others will allow them to ever take over AF. What then do you gain? Why not go all out in having a great relationship with Afghanistan that has a chance at achieving your goals?

This is good terrorists vs. bad terrorists charge against Pakistan lives on in your eyes.

 

[Jaanbaz]

You can't wait for Taliban to take Afghanistan ?

Keep in mind it will strengthen TTP.

You really think he cares? Have you even seen his picture yet? He has posted it many times in this forum.

 

[Foggy_Bottom]

Pakistan doesn't support the Afghan Taliban. We have had links with them just like the US does. I am sure you know how and who facilitated the Qatar initiative. Our issues with the Afghan Taliban are much deeper than the insurgency. Since the US has successfully applied the good old divide and rule tactic, keeping Pashtuns away from the ANA and majority of the govt institution's fold, mainly due to the massacre of up to 3000 Pashtun POWs from Qila Jhangi which took place at the behest of the US Special Forces by the mercenaries of Abdul Rasheed Dostam. The massacre has since been covered up and Abdul Rasheed Dostam, instead of being prosecuted by an international criminal court for war crimes has not only gotten away Scott free but also served as the JCSC and now the Vice President of Afghanistan. The US soldiers who took part in the massacre have of course gotten away since it happened in the name of lady freedom and killing Muslim Pashtoon POWs in the middle of the desert is simply not worthy of mention, let alone of any legal inquiry.

The simple fact is that the Afghan Taliban are different from the Pakistani Taliban. The Afghan Taliban are fighting against a foreign enemy, while TTP works for whoever pays it the most with no clear objectives of its own. Pakistan can't break with the Afghan Taliban even if it wants to. The Afghan Taliban are the only ones standing between the Pashtun population of Afghanistan and their nemesis from the former Northern Alliance, which now has been rebranded and rearmed by the US as the ANA. If Afghan Taliban is taken out of the picture, there would be an instant slaughter of Pashtuns taking place by the ANA, just like there was no one to protect the Sunnis from Shia Nuri Al Maliki govt in Iraq which subsequently lead to the creation of ISIS. Until the Afghan Taliban hold genuine support and capital among the majority of Afghan population, which are Pashtuns, Pakistan cannot break with them, even if it wants to. The Quetta Shura exists with the full knowledge and approval of the US govt. Its purpose was to keep a window open for dialogue with the Taliban. Scrapping the Quetta Shura means, scrapping any chances of permanent settlement in Afghanistan. I don't know who in their right minds would suggest such a thing.

Horus, you had promised that young people like you would get away from the tired old, same old, good vs.bad terrorists pov that has been breaking Pakistan's back. That you would not use the past theories and excuses any longer. But just like Mr Montana in Scarface, you keep getting pulled back into the same old excuses for supporting what you think are the good terrorists.

Effectively, your hearts and minds have not changed regardless of belonging to a newer generation.

 

[Kompromat]

Horus, you had promised that young people like you would get away from the tired old, same old, good vs.bad terrorists pov that has been breaking Pakistan's back. That you would not use the past theories and excuses any longer. But just like Mr Montana in Scarface, you keep getting pulled back into the same old excuses for supporting what you think are the good terrorists.

Effectively, your hearts and minds have not changed regardless of belonging to a newer generation.

I would really appreciate if you could either agree or disagree to my narrative that until the Taliban are not discredited from the Afghan Pashtoon population, Pakistan as a neighbor and having a large Pashtoon population of its own simply cannot detach from them. Such a strategy will not only fail but will also lead to a decline in our ability to micromanage and stabilise the situtation at our doorstep.

 

[Foggy_Bottom]

I would really appreciate if you could either agree or disagree to my narrative that until the Taliban are not discredited from the Afghan Pashtoon population, Pakistan as a neighbor and having a large Pashtoon population of its own simply cannot detach from them. Such a strategy will not only fail but will also lead to a decline in our ability to micromanage and stabilise the situtation at our doorstep.

The simple answer is this.
Managing a humanitarian need or cultural bonds, which seems to be your concern vs. supporting the council of leaders of a terrorist group and its members, that murder and torture women, children and civilians of Afghanistan- should NOT be seen as one and the same.

 

[Selous]

And what if I told you that Al qaeda was also against such acts, would that make them acceptable of your support too?

When you allow attacks on Afghanistan by supporting Afghan Taliban, you then force the Afghans to look the other way with TTP. Then it's like the tit for tat I mentioned. Are you are willing to risk such a back and forth and for what?

You are cognizant of the fact that there is no way in hell that the U.S. and others will allow them to ever take over AF. What then do you gain? Why not go all out in having a great relationship with Afghanistan that has a chance at achieving your goals?

This is good terrorists vs. bad terrorists charge against Pakistan lives on in your eyes.

I don't really care about the Al Qaeda...Afghan Taliban on the other hand I do care about. Simply because the US says that somebody is a bad guy does not make them so in my book. Allow attacks on Afghanistan ? Taliban are Afghanistan...the ANA and the Kabul regime are as Afghan as Shaka Zulu. The US has not managed to defeat the Taliban in more than a decade what makes you think they can do it now. If we are ever to defeat the TTP we will need the assistance and support of the Afghan Taliban. The US will eventually leave, whether in 10 days or 10 decades...the Taliban on the other hand are an organic extension of the people of Afghanistan and they are going to be our neighbors and brothers forever.

terrorist group and its members, that murder and torture women, children and civilians of Afghanistan-

You are referring to the US of course ?

 

[Wolfhound]

As USA and Nato withdrawl is getting close one thing is getting more and more clear that is that Afghan Taliban will take over most of Afghanistan

it was bound to happen sooner or later.

Well complete opposite can happen to

I agree to disagree.The TTP will once again have a place to hide and retreat to after afghan taliban have taken over

 

[Foggy_Bottom]

I don't really care about the Al Qaeda...Afghan Taliban on the other hand I do care about. Simply because the US says that somebody is a bad guy does not make them so in my book.

I appreciate your honesty in your support for the good terrorists strategy.

 

[forcetrip]

Then you will have the TTP and other groups in the future to ensure a tit for tat. Why would you want that? How many of Peshawar like massacres are you willing to digest?

Are you saying that Pakistan, including all of your family are willing to risk death over some allegiance to the Afghan Taliban? And that you're willing to sacrifice Pakistani women, children and innocent civilians, for a group called the Afghan taliban and it taking over once again?

I'd really like to know what is your end game if Pakistan, a country I have much respect for, continues on the path and vision you have proscribed?

When did we ever want that? You did a troop surge in that country and nothing happened. You did a troop reduction and sanctuaries started propping up for all sorts of different groups inside the country you are currently in control of. Another country has three embassies in a country where you have just one, We to this day have to tow the line with you all because of this coalition fund running our country. This fund has been running this country according to your needs since the afghan war. Just as we are addicted to this money teet its your addiction to keep feeding us as well. The master puppet relation is something you just wont sever. We kept giving you advice on how to handle this whole situation correctly when you arrived 13 years ago thirsty for blood. We were with you. We are still with you, but not in how you think you want to do things. You can not prop up a never ending war inside your invaded country that neighbors us and leave. How could the greatest military power raise that mission accomplished flag while leaving us with an even bigger mess that what we had to begin with. The dangers have increased not just for your country but for ours it has become unbearable. My vision is for the US to finish what it started and do what it said when it first got here.

 

[Zarvan]

That when the US leaves there will be no taliban? You have been here long enough to know that is certainly not going to happen. What you are saying is exactly what is not happening. You cant just fantasize about how you like things to be. It just does not work that way.

What I was saying is being proven true USA pretty much is running away 10000 of its troops can do nothing Afghan Taliban if not Kabul still would be capture most part of the country we only should hope they are not pissed of on us after 2001 betrayed and they help us eliminate TTP thugs.