Taliban offensives Going on Unabated Against the Beleaguered Afghan forces

[FOOLS_NIGHTMARE]

Some more victories in the last few hrs.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1408792658202574849

https://twitter.com/x/status/1408784956315348993

https://twitter.com/x/status/1408773486303236096

 

[TNT]

I think Pakistan should strictly pursue its own interests and give middle finger to anyone who wants otherwise.
I say fully arm the taliban, give them ATGMs, MANPADs, small drones, night vision, tank ammo, RPGs etc. Make sure the taliban quickly takes over the whole country. We know these afghan govt scumbags dont want peace and act as spoilers so we better make it quick. A quick victory for taliban and then we can make them sit with other countries to devise an acceptable rule.

 

[Adecypher]

Well I guess change of strategy as US will keep 650 troops after withdrawal.

Click here for the reference link.

 

[Handshake]

I think Pakistan should strictly pursue its own interests and give middle finger to anyone who wants otherwise.
I say fully arm the taliban, give them ATGMs, MANPADs, small drones, night vision, tank ammo, RPGs etc. Make sure the taliban quickly takes over the whole country. We know these afghan govt scumbags dont want peace and act as spoilers so we better make it quick. A quick victory for taliban and then we can make them sit with other countries to devise an acceptable rule.

what if they turn against you? NDS were trained in Pakistan by some officials and later they turns against Pakistan which still Pakistan regret.

 

[TNT]

what if they turn against you? NDS were trained in Pakistan by some officials and later they turns against Pakistan which still Pakistan regret.

That is the risk we have to take. But given the history and our support, i doubt taliban would turn on us. Also those weapons would be helpful to taliban against ANA and not Pakistan. In amy hiven situation, taliban are way better for Pakistan than any other group. The taliban in 90s were even ready to officially recognize durand line.
I dont knkw abt NDS being trained in Pakistan, mostly they were trained by US and india.

 

[FOOLS_NIGHTMARE]

Some more recent victories by the Taliban.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1408808001746751489

https://twitter.com/x/status/1408809636908650498

https://twitter.com/x/status/1408816608101949443

https://twitter.com/x/status/1408817833623048194

 

[CrazyZ]

That is the risk we have to take. But given the history and our support, i doubt taliban would turn on us. Also those weapons would be helpful to taliban against ANA and not Pakistan. In amy hiven situation, taliban are way better for Pakistan than any other group. The taliban in 90s were even ready to officially recognize durand line.
I dont knkw abt NDS being trained in Pakistan, mostly they were trained by US and india.

NDS was always more loyal to CIA and RAW. I see only stalemate. I don't think Taliban can delivery a knockout blow to the NA/ANA currently. USA and others will continue to arm and support the ANA enough that they will not be knocked out.

Kabul will remain a thorn in Pakistan side. They will cry at all the western forums against Pakistan. Pakistan needs to reduce its dependence on the west and consider carving out a buffer region in eastern Afghanistan similar to what the Turks did in Syria and Iraq.

 

[TNT]

NDS was always more loyal to CIA and RAW. I see only stalemate. I don't think Taliban can delivery a knockout blow to the NA/ANA currently. USA and others will continue to arm and support the ANA enough that they will not be knocked out.

Kabul will remain a thorn in Pakistan side. They will cry at all the western forums against Pakistan. Pakistan needs to reduce its dependence on the west and consider carving out a buffer region in eastern Afghanistan similar to what the Turks did in Syria and Iraq.

Exactly and a stalemate is not good for Pakistan as it fosters uncertainty and terrorism. That is why i suggested Pakistan should ignore everyone and arm taliban well so they can quickly takeover kabul. The momentum and morale is on the taliban side and help from Pakistan would make it quicker. A quick fall of kabul would make sure US and NATO cant react and would have to settle for an inclusive govt of taliban.

 

[CrazyZ]

Exactly and a stalemate is not good for Pakistan as it fosters uncertainty and terrorism. That is why i suggested Pakistan should ignore everyone and arm taliban well so they can quickly takeover kabul. The momentum and morale is on the taliban side and help from Pakistan would make it quicker. A quick fall of kabul would make sure US and NATO cant react and would have to settle for an inclusive govt of taliban.

I think taking Kabul is a redline for the USA. It will bring too many memories of the fall of Saigon. Best to build a defensive buffer region, and let the Afghans sort out their squabbles.

 

[Dalit]

because Pakistan is a conduit for illicit trade in drugs, weapons, minerals and precious stones. A stable, peaceful well governed Afghanistan is not in the best interest of some powerful deeply rooted elements on both sides of the AfPak border. Shutting your borders and hoping the problem goes away is not going to work either. It will take a massive violent effort to establish the rule of law and dominion over these lands.

I guess your Afghanistan is where rivers of honey flow LOL

 

[TNT]

I think taking Kabul is a redline for the USA. It will bring too many memories of the fall of Saigon. Best to build a defensive buffer region, and let the Afghans sort out their squabbles.

We cant protect the border which is more than 2700 kms so how will we protect the buffer zone? There is no red lines when u withdraw from a conflict. They will not go back to a conflict they just withdrew from and spend billions more. At most they will do few airstrikes here and there but eventually accept the new status quo. Especially if taliban agrees to include other groups in governance and gives a good political outlook.

 

[CrazyZ]

We cant protect the border which is more than 2700 kms so how will we protect the buffer zone? There is no red lines when u withdraw from a conflict. They will not go back to a conflict they just withdrew from and spend billions more. At most they will do few airstrikes here and there but eventually accept the new status quo. Especially if taliban agrees to include other groups in governance and gives a good political outlook.

Never said Pakistani forces should go into Afghanistan. Use local proxy on the ground supported by drone strikes from the air. Carve out a buffer, wipe out any RAW/NDS proxy's. Kabul regime is dysfunctional they will fall on their own. The newly mobilized civil militias are one disagreement from turning on each other.

 

[dbc]

I guess your Afghanistan is where rivers of honey flow LOL

..by 2003 the Taliban were reduced to suicide lingerie and sneak attacks. There were no direct engagements between the US and Taliban at scale. The lesson the west don't seem to learn is that large parts of Afghanistan prefer to remain in the 10th century. Not everyone is sold on progress and for some human development does not translate to aspiring for 100G or AI or interplanetary travel.

We wasted 2 trillion dollars on nation building and now we've belatedly realised there is no nation to build. The myth of Afghanistan lingers in Kabul and a few large cities.

In 2020, the Taliban made 1.7 billion dollars in illicit trade of precious stones via Pakistan. With modern mining techniques a framework of legal exports Afghanistan could have made 10 billion from the same volume of export. The crude techniques used for mining degrades the quality and value of these stones and the returns to the Afghan people are further diminished by middle men in Pakistan and overseas. China has largely given up on Afghanistan its just too much work with not enough returns compared to much more accessible treasure troves in Africa and South America with lower risks and higher returns.
The point I'm making is the US have written off Afghanistan and wants to exit and absolve itself of all moral responsibility for the consequences by brandishing the "absolutely not" fig leaf conveniently supplied by Imran Khan. Sealing your porous borders and hoping the problem goes away is wishful thinking of a noob Pakistani Prime Minister.

 

[Hiptullha]

Some more victories in the last few hrs.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1408792658202574849

https://twitter.com/x/status/1408784956315348993

https://twitter.com/x/status/1408773486303236096

Holy these haramis getting mopped up. Why isn't Pak Fauj also giving the haramis stationed on the border some action?

 

[FOOLS_NIGHTMARE]

Why isn't Pak Fauj also giving the haramis stationed on the border some action?

In the past few decades, our men(uniform/civilians) have been fighting along with the Mujaheedins and Taliban. I won't be surprised if we are not doing the same now. We might be providing the Taliban Intelligence, logistics, Training, Ammunition and Manpower.