Taliban Capture Kunduz Once Again .

[saiyan0321]

I would to laugh -- but it is inappropriate -- there are people on the ground who are suffering and some must be in sheer agony.

I guess the musical chairs in Afghanistan goes on.

Yes. I am not enjoying this. The failure of ANA means the civil war in Afghanistan will only get worse which means Afghanistan will only get more unstable leading to the fall out that will effect pakistan. The constant failures of ANA annoy me bcz they need victories to pressure the taliban to talks. The taliban will consider this a victory and they will not engage at any level which means the cycle of suffering and pain continuous.

Its been decades since Afghanistan has seen peace. An entire generation is about to die out that has not seen peace.

However Afghanistan must realize the root cause of this. You can't keep blaming pakistan. They have ground support and ground strength. Helmand is the most poppy fielded province along with urzugan and the taliban have these provinces under their majority control. They are funding their war through this. I read in Feb that the harvest was so good that the afghan taliban estimated earned a minimum of 3 billion dollars. That's huge.

 

[pakistani342]

Yes. I am not enjoying this. The failure of ANA means the civil war in Afghanistan will only get worse which means Afghanistan will only get more unstable leading to the fall out that will effect pakistan. The constant failures of ANA annoy me bcz they need victories to pressure the taliban to talks. The taliban will consider this a victory and they will not engage at any level which means the cycle of suffering and pain continuous.

Its been decades since Afghanistan has seen peace. An entire generation is about to die out that has not seen peace.

The ANSF faces a hard problem -- remember the US Military and NATO were not able to pressure the Taliban into talks -- so it's unfair in someways to expect the ANSF will be able to do that.

 

[saiyan0321]

The ANSF faces a hard problem -- remember the US Military and NATO were not able to pressure the Taliban into talks -- so it's unfair in someways to expect the ANSF will be able to do that.

Yet the americans actually did beat them into talks when they invaded and completely defeated the taliban but the arrogance of the Americans was that they wouldn't talk. I think it was 2002 and now the situation is this. I read this in an article ( or was it your post here. Can't remember) that the taliban were willing to be mainstreamed like the northern alliance groups but america refused to talk.

Well the ANSF doesnt have much of a choice. America can any day decide to leave and go back home but the ANSF and the Afghan govt has no choice but to take the taliban on and bring peace.

 

[Kabira]

ANA can't win there, maybe time to accept Taliban demand of no foreigners before peace deal? I mean Americans can always invade again if Taliban doesn't stick with peace deal.

And I don't think Pakistan have much of influence over them apart from maybe bringing them to table.

Yet the americans actually did beat them into talks when they invaded and completely defeated the taliban but the arrogance of the Americans was that they wouldn't talk. I think it was 2002 and now the situation is this. I read this in an article ( or was it your post here. Can't remember) that the taliban were willing to be mainstreamed like the northern alliance groups but america refused to talk.

Well the ANSF doesnt have much of a choice. America can any day decide to leave and go back home but the ANSF and the Afghan govt has no choice but to take the taliban on and bring peace.

Its likely ANA who was against any talk with Taliban.

 

[A-Team]

They have gotten the city yet again. @A-Team @Sher Malang

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Nope, they have not.

If you believe twitter, then Trump is already the US president.

ANA can't win there, maybe time to accept Taliban demand of no foreigners before peace deal? I mean Americans can always invade again if Taliban doesn't stick with peace deal.

And I don't think Pakistan have much of influence over them apart from maybe bringing them to table.



Its likely ANA who was against any talk with Taliban.

The ANSF is winning, the bulk of the NATO forces is gone, there are no PRTs, no FOBs, its all ANSF taking all the proxies and their international friends.

The Talis have the watches, but the ANSF has the time.

Burka offensive has been a total failure. Show me one big achievement of the Talis while the NUG has all the major population centers and around 7 billion in assistance until 2020

@Sher Malang @DSM0305 @Shapur

 

[Sam.]

Nope, they have not.

If you believe twitter, then Trump is already the US president.



The ANSF is winning, the bulk of the NATO forces is gone, there are no PRTs, no FOBs, its all ANSF taking all the proxies and their international friends.

The Talis have the watches, but the ANSF has the time.

Burka offensive has been a total failure. Show me one big achievement of the Talis while the NUG has all the major population centers and around 7 billion in assistance until 2020

@Sher Malang @DSM0305 @Shapur

How can you open eyes if someone wishes to close it?

Now we are at it again like 2 months after when i said same thing.(People never change)

Same for you and me! shpa mo pa kheyr

 

[Taimoor Khan]

What is the significance of Kunduz? I understand it connects Afghanistan to central Asia. Could this gateway city is in use to sustain "terror infra" of a certain country or shall I say, group of countries against Pakistan?

 

[MilSpec]

Respect for Taliban fighters
How they are fighting against ANA with US support (advanced Technology ) is amazing

How bout that, you sir are a true patriot.

 

[Asian.Century]

Questions over Afghan defences as troops clear Kunduz city


Afghan forces regained control of most of the northern city of Kunduz on Tuesday amid sporadic fighting, officials said, as questions arose over how Taliban militants once again managed to penetrate the city's defences.

The U.S. military in Kabul said that a "robust" group of special forces, as well as aircraft, were positioned near Kunduz to provide support to Afghan soldiers should the need arise.

Insurgents slipped past government forces early on Monday and occupied or attacked central areas of Kunduz, almost exactly a year after they briefly captured the city in one of their biggest successes of the 15-year war.


Social media accounts linked to the Taliban, which taunted Afghan forces and their Western backers throughout Monday's attack, said insurgents were still inside Kunduz on Tuesday, with "clashes ongoing" and government troops "on the run".

The attack in Kunduz, along with Taliban gains in areas of Helmand and Uruzgan where they also threaten provincial capitals, has underlined the group's growing strength and exposed weaknesses in Afghan defences.

Government representatives are meeting international donors in Brussels this week to try to secure billions of dollars in additional aid.


DID POLICE RUN AWAY?

Questions dogged Afghan security forces on Tuesday, with the U.S. military reporting that it saw little evidence of significant fighting as the Taliban moved in.

Some witnesses said many police had abandoned checkpoints without firing a shot, a month after a similar scene played out during a Taliban raid on the provincial capital of Uruzgan province, Tarin Kot.

"The police did not fight yesterday," said Commander Ali, a local militia chief who, like many Afghans, only goes by one name. "Some fought in a few places, but a majority of them escaped without any resistance."

He estimated that about 200 Taliban attackers quickly sent thousands of security personnel, mostly police, fleeing to the army base near the city's airport.

That account was supported by another local police commander, who said senior leadership had failed to back up those police officers who did fight, while the army arrived after the fact.

"At some checkpoints police fought well, but they did not get reinforcement," said the commander, who spoke on condition of anonymity as he was not authorized to speak publicly.

In Washington on Monday, Pentagon spokesman Captain Jeff Davis told reporters the Taliban attack was more of a "Western-movie style shoot-them-up" raid than a concerted military offensive.

Afghan Defence Ministry spokesman Dawlat Waziri said no checkpoints held by army troops had been abandoned.

Afghan officials are investigating how the Taliban managed to thrust into the city's centre despite months of military operations aimed at preventing a repeat of last year's debacle, Ministry of Interior spokesman Sediq Sediqqi told reporters in Kabul. "Right now we are focussing on clearing the city."



FIVE AFGHAN SECURITY PERSONNEL KILLED

Residents blamed ethnic and political divisions within the city's leadership for the failure of local security forces to prevent the Taliban raid.

There is a culture of impunity for police and other armed forces that are often more loyal to local strongmen than to the central government, the second police commander said.

Much of the effort to push the Taliban out of the city was led by elite Afghan military and police special forces, many of whom arrived from other cities.

Backed by U.S. special forces and air support as well as warplanes of their own, Afghan soldiers sought to clear the city overnight, said Kunduz police chief Qasim Jangalbagh.

Taliban fighters, seeking to reimpose strict Islamic law after their 2001 ouster, remained in several areas of Kunduz, but Afghan forces had made progress, he added.

"We have received reinforcements and have air support. We are committed to clear the city."

By nightfall on Tuesday pockets of Taliban resistance remained, many barricaded in civilian houses, said Sheer Aziz Kamawal, commander for the 808th Police Zone.

As the Taliban were pushed out, they set fire to various buildings in the city, including a power station and several markets and shops, he said.

The attack was likely timed by the Taliban to "make noise" before the donor conference in Brussels, said Timor Sharan, a senior analyst for the International Crisis Group.

"The Taliban wanted to manoeuvre, raise their flag and then quickly leave. The Taliban know that they are not capable of holding on the city centre."

Five members of government security forces had been killed, with another 13 wounded, Waziri of the defence ministry said.

U.S. attack helicopters conducted at least three air strikes "to defend friendly forces" fighting in Kunduz, the U.S. military command in Kabul said.

Elsewhere in Afghanistan, officials said at least a dozen members of the Afghan security forces were killed in fighting in Helmand province, while one American soldier died in a roadside bomb attack in eastern Nangarhar province.



(Reporting by Afghanistan bureau; Writing by Josh Smith; Editing by Mike Collett-White and Mark Heinrich)

 

[wiseone2]

What will ANA do once americans move out ? Taliban would have taken over numerous cities if not for american air raids backing ANA .

with American air power Northern Alliance tribesmen cleaned the clock of the Taliban
Remember Oct/Nov 2001

 

[Joe Shearer]

That is exactly how the Talibans operate. They will take the city, inflict heavy damage on ANA and Afghan Government and will then retreat as soon as ANA retaliates. Only to repeat the same cycle once again. It is sad that nothing is being done by Afghanistan itself to stop this cycle of destruction and how no one else is bothered about this either. A stable and peaceful Afghanistan is in the ling term interest of EVERYONE!!

Before people start blaming Pakistan for this as well, here is geography 101!

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Kundz, which have fallen is NOT connected to Pakistan. Perhaps it is time that Afghanistan addresses the real problem rather than blaming the unrest in the country on Pakistan. We have shared that responsibility for far too long already.

Thanks for the map; now I know whom to catch (for information; calm down and take off your trainers!). Where the hell are they attacking from? Mazhar-i-Sharif is stable; the Panjshir Valley is stable. Only the gap between them, to the north, remains, assuming that nobody can realistically trek the long distance from the south-east.

Any suggestions? Hints? The other area of weakness, considering that this has been repeated a year apart, would be the hinterland between Kunduz and Mazhar-i-Sharif, the area contained between the M-i-S, Panjab and Kunduz triangle.

@Arsalan I suggest ANA can win if they call there allies Indians,they will kill Taliban without noise you they have special helis which are not detected in areas where scramble is in 3 minutes and AA fire in 10 seconds of bandit conformation,if these stealth helis failed then they have invisible commando force who can treak into area which is mined and thundered of troops at guard.

<Hollow laugh>

I'll get you for that

 

[Sine Nomine]

I'll get you for that

mafi parahbo...

 

[Arsalan]

Thanks for the map; now I know whom to catch (for information; calm down and take off your trainers!). Where the hell are they attacking from? Mazhar-i-Sharif is stable; the Panjshir Valley is stable. Only the gap between them, to the north, remains, assuming that nobody can realistically trek the long distance from the south-east.

Any suggestions? Hints? The other area of weakness, considering that this has been repeated a year apart, would be the hinterland between Kunduz and Mazhar-i-Sharif, the area contained between the M-i-S, Panjab and Kunduz triangle.

From with in sir!!
We should stop assuming that they are getting help from Pakistan or anywhere for that matter!!! Look at there tactics, they are not fighting to win but in order to stop other party from winning or having control. That is death by a thousand cuts and that is how they trapped the bear!
The only way for Afghanistan to stop these cuts is by bringing them all in the system, all the tribes, all the war lords, just make them sit together, give them there share and make them feel contend with it. Else those people wont ever let it go peacefully. We have seen that happening for over three decades now. Their war tactics have always been of hit and run and that is what they are doing. Every year them come and hit hard, make the ANA bleed and then scatter all across the country where no one can really point them out.

 

[ali_raza]

hit and run tactics.

 

[Reichsmarschall]

If you believe twitter, then Trump is already the US president.

yes he did became POTUS so twitter is authentic