Taliban advances on capital of Afghanistan's Helmand

[Zarvan]

Helmand province is one of the world's biggest centres of opium cultivation [File: Watan Yar/EPA]
Taliban fighters have advanced in their fight against government forces on the capital of Afghanistan's southern province of Helmand, prompting many families to flee.

The battle near Lashkar Gah town came on Tuesday, three weeks after the armed group won its biggest fight since 2001, capturing the northern town of Kunduz and holding the city centre for three days.

"Helmand's capital appears to be under serious military pressure," a Western official told the Reuters news agency. "We're hearing reports about civilians fleeing in large numbers."


Mirza Khan Rahimi, the governor of the province, said heavy fighting had been going on for two days in the district of Gereshk to the north of the city. The fighting has threatened Highway One, the main transport artery linking the major southern city of Kandahar with Herat.

Farhad Dawary, head of the local Civil Societies Union, which represents non-government social organisations, said that after days of fighting, families were both fleeing to Lashkar Gah from outlying areas and trying to escape from the city.

"There is fear among the people in Lashkar Gah, there are lots of rumours the city might fall," he said.

Helmand province is one of the world's biggest centres of opium cultivation, with a complex mix of warring tribal groups and Taliban fighters creating a chronic problem for the Western-backed government.

Afghan government forces, which have taken on the bulk of fighting since international troops ended most combat operations last year, have struggled to contain the Taliban, which has stretched the army in a series of operations across the country.

Battle for Herat

As the battle continued near Lashkar Gah, there were also reports of heavy fighting in the Ghurian district near the major western city of Herat.

The Taliban raised their flag in the main district centre for a few hours before police reinforcements arrived and cleared them out, Herat police chief, General Abdul Majid Rozi said.

As the fighting flared, Afghan President Ashraf Ghani chaired a meeting of the National Security Council and ordered military forces to step up combat operations against the unrest.

Earlier this week, they were also reported to have overrun the district of Ghormach in Faryab province on the northern border with Turkmenistan.

The deteriorating security situation prompted US President Barack Obama last week to delay plans to pull American forces out of the country next year, with at least 5,500 troops now due to remain after 2017.

Source: Reuters

Taliban advances on capital of Afghanistan's Helmand - Al Jazeera English

 

[mike2000 is back]

Helmand province is one of the world's biggest centres of opium cultivation [File: Watan Yar/EPA]
Taliban fighters have advanced in their fight against government forces on the capital of Afghanistan's southern province of Helmand, prompting many families to flee.

The battle near Lashkar Gah town came on Tuesday, three weeks after the armed group won its biggest fight since 2001, capturing the northern town of Kunduz and holding the city centre for three days.

"Helmand's capital appears to be under serious military pressure," a Western official told the Reuters news agency. "We're hearing reports about civilians fleeing in large numbers."


Mirza Khan Rahimi, the governor of the province, said heavy fighting had been going on for two days in the district of Gereshk to the north of the city. The fighting has threatened Highway One, the main transport artery linking the major southern city of Kandahar with Herat.

Farhad Dawary, head of the local Civil Societies Union, which represents non-government social organisations, said that after days of fighting, families were both fleeing to Lashkar Gah from outlying areas and trying to escape from the city.

"There is fear among the people in Lashkar Gah, there are lots of rumours the city might fall," he said.

Helmand province is one of the world's biggest centres of opium cultivation, with a complex mix of warring tribal groups and Taliban fighters creating a chronic problem for the Western-backed government.

Afghan government forces, which have taken on the bulk of fighting since international troops ended most combat operations last year, have struggled to contain the Taliban, which has stretched the army in a series of operations across the country.

Battle for Herat

As the battle continued near Lashkar Gah, there were also reports of heavy fighting in the Ghurian district near the major western city of Herat.

The Taliban raised their flag in the main district centre for a few hours before police reinforcements arrived and cleared them out, Herat police chief, General Abdul Majid Rozi said.

As the fighting flared, Afghan President Ashraf Ghani chaired a meeting of the National Security Council and ordered military forces to step up combat operations against the unrest.

Earlier this week, they were also reported to have overrun the district of Ghormach in Faryab province on the northern border with Turkmenistan.

The deteriorating security situation prompted US President Barack Obama last week to delay plans to pull American forces out of the country next year, with at least 5,500 troops now due to remain after 2017.

Source: Reuters

Taliban advances on capital of Afghanistan's Helmand - Al Jazeera English

Don't worry our boys are on their way to help. We will make them run away like rats.

Back to Hel: British special forces are set to return to Helmand in desperate bid to defeat resurgent Taliban

• Soldiers will fly to former UK base Camp Bastion, in Afghan helicopters
• Mission to protect local forces from insurgents and advise on operations
• Announcement will be seen as admission that Nato quit fighting too soon
• US announced it will extent military presence in the country beyond 2016

ByLARISA BROWNandDAVID WILLIAMS FOR THE DAILY MAIL
PUBLISHED:19:01, 15 October 2015|UPDATED:19:28, 15 October 2015




British Special Forces are to return to southern Afghanistan in a desperate bid to defeat Taliban insurgents bent on capturing Camp Bastion.
The team of elite soldiers will fly into the former UK base in Afghan helicopters as part of an American-led team, it can be revealed.
Their job will be to help protect local Afghan forces from insurgents and advise them on secret military operations in Helmand Province amid fears of a Taliban takeover.
Details of the operation came as the US yesterday announced it would extend its military presence in the country beyond 2016 when they were due to leave at the end of the year.

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Get-out: Soldiers carrying equipment towards a helicopter during the closure of Observation Post Sterga 2 in Afghanistan's Helmand Province, which closed on May 10 2014
The announcement will be seen as an admission that Nato quit too soon after 13 years of fighting.
It also emerged British troops have been asked to return to southern Afghanistan as military advisors as the Afghan forces are struggling to win battles on their own, especially without vital air support.
The Afghan government has requested Nato’s assistance as they are worried the Taliban are planning to seize control of the province, which would be a huge propaganda coup.

Britain and America’s 13-year war in the country was largely directed from the province and since troops pulled out last year, the Taliban have managed to regain ground in the region.
Just one month after western forces left, insurgents killed six Afghan soldiers in an assault on Camp Bastion that lasted more than 14 hours.
Over recent weeks there has also been intense fighting in the northern city of Kunduz.
The Taliban managed to defeat local forces and take over the city – the first time they had taken over a city during the last 14 years of war.

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Coming back: The team of elite soldiers will fly into the former UK base in Afghan helicopters as part of an American-led team, it can be revealed

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New mission: It also emerged British troops have been asked to return to southern Afghanistan as military advisors as the Afghan forces are struggling to win battles on their own, especially without vital air support. Pictured, British troops return to the UK in October 2014, the last British boots to leave Camp Bastion
They managed to hold it for 15 days, destroying government offices, seizing military hardware, hunting down opponents and freeing prisoners.
But Afghan security forces finally took it back this week after UK and US Special Forces were sent in to support the soldiers in the operation to retake the city.
There is great concern that the bad guys will mount a series of attacks on Kandahar which they see as their next strategic target.
Senior source in Kabul
As attacks have increased across the country – including a bomb attack this week on a British Army Foxhound armoured vehicle in Kabul – the government have made a direct request for more assistance.
The Kabul government wants Nato and UK forces to provide planning and operational direction to commanders in Helmand who have already seen the Taliban seize Musa Qaleh, Now Zad and Kajaki.
The plea comes as the Taliban seized control of Ghorak, in the north west of Kandahar where they now control the district buildings the police station and several checkpoints after an assault, which left 30 Afghan soldiers dead.
The UK has 470 troops in Kabul and a further 120 Special Forces troops training and supporting the Afghan government.
Earlier this year both British and American Special Forces deployed to Camp Bastion to assist Afghan commanders plan an operation, but during the deployment a US soldier was killed by an insurgent and the team withdrew to Kabul.

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Resurgence: Britain and America’s 13-year war in the country was largely directed from the province and since troops pulled out last year, the Taliban have managed to regain ground in the region

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The announcement will be seen as an admission that Nato quit too soon after 13 years of fighting. Pictured, soldiers tented accommodation is left deserted in Camp Bastion after British troops handed the former UK base over to Afghan forces last year
A senior source in Kabul told the Daily Mail: ‘We are offering advice from a distance but we do not have the resources to deploy people across the country.
‘Our focus is on training, although in extreme circumstances we will get involved.
‘There is great concern that the bad guys will mount a series of attacks on Kandahar which they see as their next strategic target, but the Afghan military has a strong presence there.’
Speaking at the Tory party conference last week, Defence Secretary Michael Fallon hinted that troops and warplanes could be sent back to the country.
Mr Fallon said Nato would look at how the Afghan Army have coped without American and British ground troops and without Western air support after they withdrew from the country last year.
He said they will then look at ‘whether there is a case for any additional support’, suggesting Britain could send soldiers or deadly unmanned drones and warplanes back to the war-torn country to take out the Taliban.

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Speaking at the Tory party conference last week, Defence Secretary Michael Fallon hinted that troops and warplanes could be sent back to the country. Pictured, the very last British Combat Logistics Patrol (CLP) arriving at the gates of Camp Bastion to recover equipment from the closed UK base last year
Special Forces operations in Helmand will include around six personnel from the Special Boat Service, and will be used to raise the ‘force protection’ level.
They will work alongside members of the Afghan Special Forces.
On Wednesday Taliban insurgents overran two checkpoints in southern Helmand province and killed 29 border police officers, a provincial official said.
Bashir Ahmad Shakir, a provincial council member said the Nawzad district of Helmand province, where the battles took place, is a particularly volatile area that is regularly targeted by insurgents.
Yesterday US officials said Mr Obama would outline plans to keep 5,500 troops in the country when he leaves office in 2017.Originally all but a small embassy-based force were due to leave by the end of next year.
But the US military says more troops will be needed to help Afghan forces counter a growing Taliban threat.

British special forces set to return to Helmand in bid to defeat Taliban | Daily Mail Online

Just hope they wont run, since we need some good practice after a long break.

 

[Rasengan]

Brother A-Team the Afghan National Security Force is being humiliated on an industrial scale and soon the tune of Kabul will change. False bravado on deceiving the masses in defeating the Taliban will not work.

 

[A-Team]

Brother A-Team the Afghan National Security Force is being humiliated on an industrial scale and soon the tune of Kabul will change. False bravado on deceiving the masses in defeating the Taliban will not work.

Makes me laugh to how little you know about Helmand, which is one of the largest provinces in Afghanistan, according to MOD sources 400 Talis who crossed border from Pakistan were sent to hell, their corpses are on laying on the battlefield.
I can post some pictures of their mass corpses but it is too graphic for this forum.

You make a big fuss out of nothing by sitting in Pakistan with a keyboard on your hand, I sit in Afghanistan and I can tell you this, the Talis have been given such a beating in parts of Nad Ali that they wont forget in years,

How about that drink soon, since your predictions will be coming false pretty soon

Don't worry our boys are on their way to help. We will make them run away like rats.

Back to Hel: British special forces are set to return to Helmand in desperate bid to defeat resurgent Taliban

• Soldiers will fly to former UK base Camp Bastion, in Afghan helicopters
• Mission to protect local forces from insurgents and advise on operations
• Announcement will be seen as admission that Nato quit fighting too soon
• US announced it will extent military presence in the country beyond 2016

ByLARISA BROWNandDAVID WILLIAMS FOR THE DAILY MAIL
PUBLISHED:19:01, 15 October 2015|UPDATED:19:28, 15 October 2015




British Special Forces are to return to southern Afghanistan in a desperate bid to defeat Taliban insurgents bent on capturing Camp Bastion.
The team of elite soldiers will fly into the former UK base in Afghan helicopters as part of an American-led team, it can be revealed.
Their job will be to help protect local Afghan forces from insurgents and advise them on secret military operations in Helmand Province amid fears of a Taliban takeover.
Details of the operation came as the US yesterday announced it would extend its military presence in the country beyond 2016 when they were due to leave at the end of the year.

+6
Get-out: Soldiers carrying equipment towards a helicopter during the closure of Observation Post Sterga 2 in Afghanistan's Helmand Province, which closed on May 10 2014
The announcement will be seen as an admission that Nato quit too soon after 13 years of fighting.
It also emerged British troops have been asked to return to southern Afghanistan as military advisors as the Afghan forces are struggling to win battles on their own, especially without vital air support.
The Afghan government has requested Nato’s assistance as they are worried the Taliban are planning to seize control of the province, which would be a huge propaganda coup.

Britain and America’s 13-year war in the country was largely directed from the province and since troops pulled out last year, the Taliban have managed to regain ground in the region.
Just one month after western forces left, insurgents killed six Afghan soldiers in an assault on Camp Bastion that lasted more than 14 hours.
Over recent weeks there has also been intense fighting in the northern city of Kunduz.
The Taliban managed to defeat local forces and take over the city – the first time they had taken over a city during the last 14 years of war.

+6
Coming back: The team of elite soldiers will fly into the former UK base in Afghan helicopters as part of an American-led team, it can be revealed

+6
New mission: It also emerged British troops have been asked to return to southern Afghanistan as military advisors as the Afghan forces are struggling to win battles on their own, especially without vital air support. Pictured, British troops return to the UK in October 2014, the last British boots to leave Camp Bastion
They managed to hold it for 15 days, destroying government offices, seizing military hardware, hunting down opponents and freeing prisoners.
But Afghan security forces finally took it back this week after UK and US Special Forces were sent in to support the soldiers in the operation to retake the city.
There is great concern that the bad guys will mount a series of attacks on Kandahar which they see as their next strategic target.
Senior source in Kabul
As attacks have increased across the country – including a bomb attack this week on a British Army Foxhound armoured vehicle in Kabul – the government have made a direct request for more assistance.
The Kabul government wants Nato and UK forces to provide planning and operational direction to commanders in Helmand who have already seen the Taliban seize Musa Qaleh, Now Zad and Kajaki.
The plea comes as the Taliban seized control of Ghorak, in the north west of Kandahar where they now control the district buildings the police station and several checkpoints after an assault, which left 30 Afghan soldiers dead.
The UK has 470 troops in Kabul and a further 120 Special Forces troops training and supporting the Afghan government.
Earlier this year both British and American Special Forces deployed to Camp Bastion to assist Afghan commanders plan an operation, but during the deployment a US soldier was killed by an insurgent and the team withdrew to Kabul.

+6
Resurgence: Britain and America’s 13-year war in the country was largely directed from the province and since troops pulled out last year, the Taliban have managed to regain ground in the region

+6
The announcement will be seen as an admission that Nato quit too soon after 13 years of fighting. Pictured, soldiers tented accommodation is left deserted in Camp Bastion after British troops handed the former UK base over to Afghan forces last year
A senior source in Kabul told the Daily Mail: ‘We are offering advice from a distance but we do not have the resources to deploy people across the country.
‘Our focus is on training, although in extreme circumstances we will get involved.
‘There is great concern that the bad guys will mount a series of attacks on Kandahar which they see as their next strategic target, but the Afghan military has a strong presence there.’
Speaking at the Tory party conference last week, Defence Secretary Michael Fallon hinted that troops and warplanes could be sent back to the country.
Mr Fallon said Nato would look at how the Afghan Army have coped without American and British ground troops and without Western air support after they withdrew from the country last year.
He said they will then look at ‘whether there is a case for any additional support’, suggesting Britain could send soldiers or deadly unmanned drones and warplanes back to the war-torn country to take out the Taliban.

+6
Speaking at the Tory party conference last week, Defence Secretary Michael Fallon hinted that troops and warplanes could be sent back to the country. Pictured, the very last British Combat Logistics Patrol (CLP) arriving at the gates of Camp Bastion to recover equipment from the closed UK base last year
Special Forces operations in Helmand will include around six personnel from the Special Boat Service, and will be used to raise the ‘force protection’ level.
They will work alongside members of the Afghan Special Forces.
On Wednesday Taliban insurgents overran two checkpoints in southern Helmand province and killed 29 border police officers, a provincial official said.
Bashir Ahmad Shakir, a provincial council member said the Nawzad district of Helmand province, where the battles took place, is a particularly volatile area that is regularly targeted by insurgents.
Yesterday US officials said Mr Obama would outline plans to keep 5,500 troops in the country when he leaves office in 2017.Originally all but a small embassy-based force were due to leave by the end of next year.
But the US military says more troops will be needed to help Afghan forces counter a growing Taliban threat.

British special forces set to return to Helmand in bid to defeat Taliban | Daily Mail Online

Just hope they wont run, since we need some good practice after a long break.

General Razi is leading the ANSF ónslaught on the Taliban, massive casualties on the Taliban already, they are like rats running away back across the border, but that being said any collation help is apprecaited, we are in this together to kill and destroy these thugs. Cheers

 

[omegalamba7XL9]

Makes me laugh to how little you know about Helmand, which is one of the largest provinces in Afghanistan, according to MOD sources 400 Talis who crossed border from Pakistan were sent to hell, their corpses are on laying on the battlefield.
I can post some pictures of their mass corpses but it is too graphic for this forum.

You make a big fuss out of nothing by sitting in Pakistan with a keyboard on your hand, I sit in Afghanistan and I can tell you this, the Talis have been given such a beating in parts of Nad Ali that they wont forget in years,

How about that drink soon, since your predictions will be coming false pretty soon



General Razi is leading the ANSF ónslaught on the Taliban, massive casualties on the Taliban already, they are like rats running away back across the border, but that being said any collation help is apprecaited, we are in this together to kill and destroy these thugs. Cheers

Keep using the word cross border cross border because this is the only thing that you can do while sitting under the protection of NATO. The day you guys stopped using the word cross border will be the day we will trust you and believe that you guys have grown some ba**s. Forces of 20 countries and Talis rule your country, your army and govt is just the house of cards waiting to fall. Last week i was told by someone at a very responsible position in Afghan Govt that a Pakistani General was hanging out and leading the Talis in kunduz. I mean really do you believe that sh*t?

 

[volatile]

General Razi is leading the ANSF ónslaught on the Taliban, massive casualties on the Taliban already, they are like rats running away back across the border, but that being said any collation help is apprecaited, we are in this together to kill and destroy these thugs. Cheers

Makes me laugh to how little you know about Helmand, which is one of the largest provinces in Afghanistan, according to MOD sources 400 Talis who crossed border from Pakistan were sent to hell, their corpses are on laying on the battlefield.
I can post some pictures of their mass corpses but it is too graphic for this forum.

You make a big fuss out of nothing by sitting in Pakistan with a keyboard on your hand, I sit in Afghanistan and I can tell you this, the Talis have been given such a beating in parts of Nad Ali that they wont forget in years,

How about that drink soon, since your predictions will be coming false pretty soon

Oh boy you really in Afg ? as facts you have mentioned in your post is far from reality ,truth is even Americans are annoyed with Afg Army ,it is very easy to point fingers but not to put order to your house.Fact is day American leaves any area other day Talibans are there .As during US occupation Americans were only limited to certain cities and compounds rest was always under control of Taliban .Now for your question regarding 400 Taliban coming from Pak ,We have been flushing them for now years what you did to tackle them .Afg backed by Us has every thing and tech available to you but you guys keep pointing fingers on us .So check your facts regarding you guys your fav pal Aji Agar wal 1 line statement was enough for you to see where you guys are going . " We will fight Pakistan till the last Afghan". Shame on your face Pak which has sheltered 5 Mil + of your disperesed people. We never invited Russia to envade you India did .

 

[JOEY TRIBIANI]

TALIBAN attacking state capitals one after another . where is impotent ana ?

Only goal of ana is to defend kabul ?

 

[A-Team]

Oh boy you really in Afg ? as facts you have mentioned in your post is far from reality ,truth is even Americans are annoyed with Afg Army ,it is very easy to point fingers but not to put order to your house.Fact is day American leaves any area other day Talibans are there .As during US occupation Americans were only limited to certain cities and compounds rest was always under control of Taliban .Now for your question regarding 400 Taliban coming from Pak ,We have been flushing them for now years what you did to tackle them .Afg backed by Us has every thing and tech available to you but you guys keep pointing fingers on us .So check your facts regarding you guys your fav pal Aji Agar wal 1 line statement was enough for you to see where you guys are going . " We will fight Pakistan till the last Afghan". Shame on your face Pak which has sheltered 5 Mil + of your disperesed people. We never invited Russia to envade you India did .

I am not here to get into a Tu Tu Mein Mein game, there are issues on the Afghan side and I have always been clear about this which the NUG must address, there are ungoverned spaces in Afghanistan which houses TTP and ex-TTP aka Daesh. There is also the Afghan Taliban on your side which has a support network, their command and control and their injured foot sodliers who go there and get the treatment. We need to be frank about these challenges.


The goal here is that we as neighbors must accept the facts and work together and meeting these challenges, because an end of the day we as neighbors have no alternative but to make it work between us.


Makes sense?


PS: It takes courage to accept that there are issues on both sides, but some are willing to accept while others take offence

 

[volatile]

I am not here to get into a Tu Tu Mein Mein game, there are issues on the Afghan side and I have always been clear about this which the NUG must address, there are ungoverned spaces in Afghanistan which houses TTP and ex-TTP aka Daesh. There is also the Afghan Taliban on your side which has a support network, their command and control and their injured foot sodliers who go there and get the treatment. We need to be frank about these challenges.


The goal here is that we as neighbors must accept the facts and work together and meeting these challenges, because an end of the day we as neighbors have no alternative but to make it work between us.


Makes sense?


PS: It takes courage to accept that there are issues on both sides, but some are willing to accept while others take offence

It makes perfect sense and im glad we both are on the same page .Listen unstable Afg is not in favour of Pak we have learned this the hard way .Thing is when ever there is some thing good going to happened in AFG & PAK it is always derailed by some one .I mean seriously you guys need to disengage your self from Indians first .Dont worry about investment or security PAk and China have great interest in AFG and it will be great beneficial for all of us .One hard reality is that elected Govt in Afg doesnt deliver in last 15 years thats why sympathy of common people is with Taliban .With Sympathies they will take over whole AFG .Ashraf Ghani is a nice man but Abdullah and other factors dont want to see AFG stable as there money inflows will be stopped .So open up and see your enemies.

 

[Rasengan]

Makes me laugh to how little you know about Helmand, which is one of the largest provinces in Afghanistan, according to MOD sources 400 Talis who crossed border from Pakistan were sent to hell, their corpses are on laying on the battlefield.
I can post some pictures of their mass corpses but it is too graphic for this forum.

When the ground realities of Afghanistan look bleak and hopeless then the only positive activity available to your community is laughter Such a luxury should never be wasted, because the Taliban will rule the country with an iron fists soon I understand the significance of Helmand and how the British failed in their duty to dislodge the Taliban from the province. Normally Pakistani members feel irked in hearing the accusation of the blame game from Kabul. However my approach is different because we are sending the Haqqani network to Afghanistan who are obviously winning the war against the rental army and there is absolutely nothing you can do to stop this. I can post numerous pictures of mass corpses of Afghan National Security Forces and the Police, however they are too graphic for this forum

You make a big fuss out of nothing by sitting in Pakistan with a keyboard on your hand, I sit in Afghanistan and I can tell you this, the Talis have been given such a beating in parts of Nad Ali that they wont forget in years,

How about that drink soon, since your predictions will be coming false pretty soon

I live in a country where the Pakistani Taliban have become eradicated, however now we must destroy the source of this menace which resides in Kabul. Furthermore, the whole international community is making a fuss on these disastrous events, because the rental army of Afghanistan has failed spectacularly even with advance military equipment and 14 years of training. Remember the famous Chinese old proverb :"Big head with weak legs, sharp tongue with empty stomach". You should not jump the gun and presume to believe that your prediction is correct, because you will lose at the correct moment of time, then the drinks are on you Brother A-Team

 

[xyxmt]

so where is ISI setting up the command and control center, School or Hospital, have all Pakistani generals ordered their burqas

 

[Leviza]

Pakistan should help these guys to teach afghan gov a lesson .. They are keeping TTP leaders and supporting india on the Pak-Afghan border area .. so they need a lesson ...

Pakistan was the only country who kept largest afghan community for 30 years now and still they are being fed from Pakistan .. if they can't respect the country which came to help common afghan people when they needed ... they need to learn that any possible future of afghanistan also depends on how Pakistan reacts being a powerful next door neighbor..

teach them a lesson or they should hand over all these ttp leaders to Pakistan asap, if and only if they want to stay in gov in Afghanistan... its as simple as this...

 

[The Vicious Kind]

, according to MOD sources 400 Talis who crossed border from Pakistan were sent to hell, their corpses are on laying on the battlefield.

Claims made by MOD have little meaning, since it doesn't even have a head. No defense ministers has been appointed yet. Where did the militants come from, which agency ?. NorthWaziristan, thats been cleared. Khyber agency, that been cleared too?. MOD should be a little more specific, rather than just making blatant claims.

I am not here to get into a Tu Tu Mein Mein game, there are issues on the Afghan side and I have always been clear about this which the NUG must address, there are ungoverned spaces in Afghanistan which houses TTP and ex-TTP aka Daesh.

You speak Urdu/Hindu ?

There is also the Afghan Taliban on your side which has a support network, their command and control and their injured foot sodliers who go there and get the treatment. We need to be frank about these challenges.

Used to be, not anymore. It was the Haqqanis that operated from Miranshah. After Op in NW they have been pushed into Afghanistan. They roam freely in Khost now. Even if there is still presence of Afghani Taliban in Pak, i dont think its substantial, you cant call it the source of your militant problem anymore. They might not even be in the hundreds.

Both Pakistan and Afghanistan wanted the US to stay longer. Now we must look for a peace full solution out of this mess. This can only happen if both countries stop blaming each other. Instability in Afghanistan, threatens our interests in the region like TAPI gas pipeline , trade with Central Asian countries.

 

[A-Team]

It makes perfect sense and im glad we both are on the same page .Listen unstable Afg is not in favour of Pak we have learned this the hard way .Thing is when ever there is some thing good going to happened in AFG & PAK it is always derailed by some one .I mean seriously you guys need to disengage your self from Indians first .Dont worry about investment or security PAk and China have great interest in AFG and it will be great beneficial for all of us .One hard reality is that elected Govt in Afg doesnt deliver in last 15 years thats why sympathy of common people is with Taliban .With Sympathies they will take over whole AFG .Ashraf Ghani is a nice man but Abdullah and other factors dont want to see AFG stable as there money inflows will be stopped .So open up and see your enemies.

Fair enough! With folks likes in majority gives me hope that Afghans and Pakistanis can find the middle ground and make it work.

But on the other hands when see posts such as the one by @Rasengan, [ hope that is the minority] who is open accepting sending murderers into Afghanistan to kill civilian, then of course the mood in Kabul will be negative.

It’s important that we sideline hawks on both sides because the region needs peace and have had enough of these destabilizing polices.

Pakistan should help these guys to teach afghan gov a lesson .. They are keeping TTP leaders and supporting india on the Pak-Afghan border area .. so they need a lesson ...

Pakistan was the only country who kept largest afghan community for 30 years now and still they are being fed from Pakistan .. if they can't respect the country which came to help common afghan people when they needed ... they need to learn that any possible future of afghanistan also depends on how Pakistan reacts being a powerful next door neighbor..

teach them a lesson or they should hand over all these ttp leaders to Pakistan asap, if and only if they want to stay in gov in Afghanistan... its as simple as this...

It is easy for you to say that since you are sitting in UK and have no idea what the common man is going through in both countries. Undermining each other is easy but it takes real courage to make it work with each.

/Peace

Claims made by MOD have little meaning, since it doesn't even have a head. No defense ministers has been appointed yet. Where did the militants come from, which agency ?. NorthWaziristan, thats been cleared. Khyber agency, that been cleared too?. MOD should be a little more specific, rather than just making blatant claims.


You speak Urdu/Hindu ?



Used to be, not anymore. It was the Haqqanis that operated from Miranshah. After Op in NW they have been pushed into Afghanistan. They roam freely in Khost now. Even if there is still presence of Afghani Taliban in Pak, i dont think its substantial, you cant call it the source of your militant problem anymore. They might not even be in the hundreds.

Both Pakistan and Afghanistan wanted the US to stay longer. Now we must look for a peace full solution out of this mess. This can only happen if both countries stop blaming each other. Instability in Afghanistan, threatens our interests in the region like TAPI gas pipeline , trade with Central Asian countries.

Once you see these cross regional projects bear fruit, it will completely change the dynamics in the region. These hawks on both sides forget that a destabilized Afghanistan will have enormous negative ramification for Pakistan and destabilized Pakistan for Afghanistan. Hope common sense prevails.

 

[Rasengan]

Fair enough! With folks likes in majority gives me hope that Afghans and Pakistanis can find the middle ground and make it work..

Please explain in detail from your infinite wisdom on the subject of middle ground between Pakistan and Afghanistan? Under no circumstances shall we accept the annexation of our territory and Afghanistan can never dictate us on opening trade links with India.

But on the other hands when see posts such as the one by @Rasengan, [ hope that is the minority] who is open accepting sending murderers into Afghanistan to kill civilian, then of course the mood in Kabul will be negative.

The mood in Kabul has always been negative towards Pakistan, because hypocrisy and double standards is ingrained in the DNA of politicians from the Northern Alliance faction. When the Pakistani Taliban is supported by the NDS who are actively colluding with the Indian Intelligence Agency, then you must be naive to believe in the philosophy that Pakistan will not retaliate back. Hamid Karzai has on record articulated the idea that the durand line does not exists and this is supported by Amrullah Selah who has preached the same doctrine. These individuals have influence in Kabul and if Afghanistan was in a position to take land from the tribal regions of Pakistan, then obviously such a policy would be pursued.

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