Taiwan scrambles jets after largest ever incursion by China | Military News

[K_Bin_W]

The US and the DPP are really playing with fire if they plan to change the One China policy. China is one country you can never bluff because they will call it.

Absolutely, that's why it's all hot air, Taiwan will never declare independence or it would have done long ago.

 

[DJ_Viper]

You know SCS and Taiwan are not the same thing, right? Although I have no expectations for American geography or international relations.

Taiwan is located in SCS about 110 miles off the Chinese coast. While the SCS goes beyond the 9-Dash line the Chinese consider "their ocean" since WWII idealology. How does this American seem to you with so much knowledge about SCS and China?

By 2030, US GDP will be over $30T with national wealth between $200-250 trillion, and full military modernization nearly complete.

You better hope your prediction is better than the ones you’ve made over the last 7 years Or the one you made in April 2020 about how the US was on the verge of collapse because of COVID, and yet the US is growing faster now than pre pandemic

I've also heard how we are almost financially broke due to Afghanistan's war, while we removed one foot off the gas there and now pouring in trillions for another 30 years of military advancements. I don't think that the people have any real idea of how significantly large the US economic base is!

 

[F-22Raptor]

Taiwan is located in SCS about 110 miles off the Chinese coast. While the SCS goes beyond the 9-Dash line the Chinese consider "their ocean" since WWII idealology. How does this American seem to you with so much knowledge about SCS and China?


I've also heard how we are almost financially broke due to Afghanistan's war, while we removed one foot off the gas there and now pouring in trillions for another 30 years of military advancements. I don't think that the people have any real idea of how significantly large the US economic base is!

The US is actually underspending on its military. During the Reagan years it was spending 6% of GDP on modernization. Today its about 3.3%. It should be spending 4.5% or a little over $1T. The US could massively expand its shipbuilding and capacity.

 

[aziqbal]

no problem

Taiwan plans $9 bln boost in arms spending, warns of 'severe threat'

Taiwan proposed on Thursday extra defense spending of T$240 billion ($8.69 billion) over the next five years, including on new missiles, as it warned of an urgent need to upgrade weapons in the face of a "severe threat" from giant neighbor China.

www.reuters.com

 

[applesauce]

By 2030, US GDP will be over $30T with national wealth between $200-250 trillion, and full military modernization nearly complete.

You better hope your prediction is better than the ones you’ve made over the last 7 years Or the one you made in April 2020 about how the US was on the verge of collapse because of COVID, and yet the US is growing faster now than pre pandemic

??? future GDP? by 2030 China is going to exceed US GDP, its already far larger in PPP. why would you compare that?

Below are all "western" sources.

The World in 2050

The report sets out long-term GDP projections for 32 of the largest economies in the world over the period to 2050.

www.pwc.com

GDP forecast 2030 data - Lowy Institute Asia Power Index

GDP forecast 2030 – GDP forecast at purchasing power parity, constant 2022 prices.

power.lowyinstitute.org

Projected GDP Ranking 2030 | Knowledge for policy

Source: IMF, World Economic and Financial Surveys, World Economic Outlook Database, July 2016

knowledge4policy.ec.europa.eu

https://www.ers.usda.gov/webdocs/DataFiles/51832/ProjectedRealGDPValues.xlsx?v=7185.5

Real GDP long-term forecast

Gross domestic product (GDP) given as long-term baseline projections up to 2060.

www.oecd-ilibrary.org

The US is actually underspending on its military. During the Reagan years it was spending 6% of GDP on modernization. Today its about 3.3%. It should be spending 4.5% or a little over $1T. The US could massively expand its shipbuilding and capacity.

and chinese spending is like 1.5% of GDP, or 2% per the CIA estimates. its already a larger economy in PPP and could very realistically outspend the us if it came down to it.

 

[AZMwi]

the anglo-saxon judeo-christian crusaders/colonisers have destroyed the peace of the world. they want complete domination of the world and its resources. They will never accept China as a super power.
World war 3 is around the corner. countries are arming themselves everywhere. Mark my words this war will end the western colonisers for good. people everywhere r sick and tired of these anglo-saxon judeo-christian crusaders/colonisers.

 

[SgtGungHo]

Can't America find a new Nayirah? Try washing powder, or blow up two of your own buildings.

So does CCP understand or not? Since you are against PRC, you should be happy for these actions. PRC took the wrong action, its enemies were angry and its fanatical supporters were happy. How strange.

Yes, I am happy that PRC is shooting own foot diplomatically. Perhaps, the shortsighted PRC supporters don't understand there is ramification of military provocation. The people & countries on the fence will be aggitated with China's military theats and it will further encourage them to recognize PRC as a common threat to the region & perhaps the world. I really don't understand the whole point of this kind of military incursion since the CCP gets pretty much nothing out of it diplomatically and is probably very aware that a full-scale war isn't beneficial to any party. If PRC is only doing to rally own people then they are just being dumb as it implies they didn't consider diplomatic consequences.

I am sure the US is thrilled secretly as PRC is doing them a favour with those empty military threats.

 

[Zsari]

Yes, I am happy that PRC is shooting own foot diplomatically. Perhaps, the shortsighted PRC supporters don't understand there is ramification of military provocation. The people & countries on the fence will be aggitated with China's military theats and it will further encourage them to recognize PRC as a common threat to the region & perhaps the world. I really don't understand the whole point of this kind of military incursion since the CCP gets pretty much nothing out of it diplomatically and is probably very aware that a full-scale war isn't beneficial to any party. If PRC is only doing to rally own people then they are just being dumb as it implies they didn't consider diplomatic consequences.

I am sure the US is thrilled secretly as PRC is doing them a favour with those empty military threats.

Not surprising when you are in a country constantly bombarded by anti-China rhetoric. But countries that are actually on the fence would have recognized Taiwan as a part of China, and what China does within its own airspace, would certainly not provoke agitation.

 

[SgtGungHo]

Not surprising when you are in a country constantly bombarded by anti-China rhetoric. But countries that are actually on the fence would have recognized Taiwan as a part of China, and what China does within its own airspace, would certainly not provoke agitation.

It is weird that a guy that has the flag of the country that is more blatantly at Cold War with PRC makes such accusation. Why so many Chinese desperately want to migrate to the US, Australia and Canada when Chinese manifest so much hatred for them? I really don't understand Chinese's double-standards and their attempt at generalizing people in Anglosphere, especially when they are out of coherent argument.

Anyway, countries that are on the fence are increasingly concerned with PRC's military incursion, understanding that they could be targeted by PRC next. PRC of poking a stick at almost every neighbouring countries hasn't helped PRC either. It is a diplomatic blunder, but you may disagree.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

It is weird that a guy that has the flag of the country that is more blatantly at Cold War with PRC makes such accusation. Why so many Chinese desperately want to migrate to the US, Australia and Canada when Chinese manifest so much hatred for them?

9 million Americans overseas out of 330 million (2.7%)

3 million Chinese Americans + 1.7 million Chinese Canadians + 1.2 million Chinese Australians = 5.9 million out of 1400 million (0.4%)

try harder

 

[Zsari]

It is weird that a guy that has the flag of the country that is more blatantly at Cold War with PRC makes such accusation. Why so many Chinese desperately want to migrate to the US, Australia and Canada when Chinese manifest so much hatred for them? I really don't understand Chinese's double-standards and their attempt at generalizing people in Anglosphere, especially when they are out of coherent argument.

Anyway, countries that are on the fence are increasingly concerned with PRC's military incursion, understanding that they could be targeted by PRC next. PRC of poking a stick at almost every neighbouring countries hasn't helped PRC either. It is a diplomatic blunder, but you may disagree.

Thanks for the nationalist rant. It's funny you keep on using the phrase "countries that are on the fence" as if Australia is one of them. The Anglo alliance is conducting military exercises right on China's footstep while calling Chinese aircraft patrolling in around its own airspace as aggressive is an hypocrisy what most "countries that are on the fence" can clearly see through. Regardless whatever flag anyone has on their profile, one should be able to tell the difference between the real aggressors and one that's defending itself.

 

[SgtGungHo]

9 million Americans overseas out of 330 million (2.7%)

3 million Chinese Americans + 1.7 million Chinese Canadians + 1.2 million Chinese Australians = 5.9 million out of 1400 million (0.4%)

try harder

Nice try, only if America was at Cold War with the rest of the world.

Number of Chinese American : 5,143,982
Number of American in China : About 72,000

Number of Chinese Australia : 1,213,903
Number of Australian in China : About 15,000

Number of Chinese Canadian : 1,769,195
Numbe of Canadian in China : About 12,885

Not to mention that many American, Canadian and Australian expats in China are ethnic Chinese to begin with. The significant number of people with Chinese ancestry are living in America, Canada and Australia and their numbers are growing rapidly as Chinese are queuing up to migrate to developed countries. You know what? I am okay with that. Who wants to live in a shithole like mainland China.

However, I don't understand that why Chinese are shiting on their adopted country. I am more than welcome healthy and well-constructed criticism, but what some Chinese have shown here is unreasonable and petty hatred against their new home country. Don't they understand any irony of that? Maybe, they should consider re-locating themselves to mainland China if they can't stick for the American/Australian/Canadian flag that they 'proudly' fly over their profile. lol.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Nice try, only if America wasn't at Cold War with the rest of the world.

Number of Chinese American : 5,143,982
Number of American in China : About 72,000

Number of Chinese Australia : 1,213,903
Number of Australian in China : About 15,000

Number of Chinese Canadian : 1,769,195
Numbe of Canadian in China : About 12,885

Not to mention that many American, Canadian and Australian expats in China are ethnic Chinese to begin with. The significant number of people with Chinese ancestry are living in America, Canada and Australia and their numbers are growing rapidly as Chinese are queuing up to migrate to developed countries. You know what? I am okay with that. Who wants to live in a shithole like mainland China.

However, I don't understand that why Chinese are shiting on their adopted country. I am more than welcome healthy and well-constructed criticism, but what some Chinese have shown here is unreasonable and petty hatred against their new home country. Don't they understand any irony of that? Maybe, they should consider re-locating themselves to mainland China if they can't stick for the American/Australian/Canadian flag that they 'proudly' fly over their profile. lol.

you assume that China wants foreigners to come and that anyone can get a Chinese visa. But that's not true. 97.5% of Chinese do not want foreigners coming to China.

Overseas Chinese are actually growing slowly, particularly Chinese Canadians. The fastest growing ethnicity in Canada? Indians. Note how Chinese Canadians were larger in 2001 yet were overtaken by Indians as of 2006. Just 5 years.

75% of H1-Bs are Indians. Not South Asian, just Indian. Chinese are 1/7th that of Indians despite having higher GDP and average education levels.

I have never said a single unfactual thing about the US, ever. Look through my entire record. Every statement I say is backed with citations.

If it happens that one of these facts is interpreted as being negative, then that just means you have a problem with reality.

 

[SgtGungHo]

Thanks for the nationalist rant. It's funny you keep on using the phrase "countries that are on the fence" as if Australia is one of them. The Anglo alliance is conducting military exercises right on China's footstep while calling Chinese aircraft patrolling in around its own airspace as aggressive is an hypocrisy what most "countries that are on the fence" can clearly see through. Regardless whatever flag anyone has on their profile, one should be able to tell the difference between the real aggressors and one that's defending itself.

LOL. The Chinese ethno-nationalist who thinks the military incursion against ROC is justified accuses people of making a 'nationalist rant'? Are you seriously this inept in recognizing your own hypocrisy? Diplomatically, you want to make friends, not enemies. However, PRC is in dispute with pretty much every neighbouring country and PRC's antics of blaming everyone, but themselves and their military aggression have made the country distasteful, even to the countries on the fence. Yes, this matter has nothing to do with someone's flag, but you couldn't stop being an impudent child and had to bring up someone's nationality for a cheap shot, didn't you? lol. Clown.

97.5% of Chinese do not want foreigners coming to China.

So 97.5% of Chinese are xenophobic. Loyalty and Respect goes both ways. If they don't return it they don't deserve it. You have a American flag on your profile. What's your excuse if American tells you to **** off back to China and you deserve it since Chinese are xenophobic themselves and aren't welcoming migrants? Mate, do you understand how stupid you sound at the moment.

I have never said a single unfactual thing about the US, ever.

Mate, you claimed there are 3 million Chinese Americans, but your source which is wikipedia says that it is either 5,025,817 or 4,143,982. Why should I accpet your claim at face value when your first reply to my post about the number of Chinese American was not factual according to your own source? lol.

 

[tower9]

Nice try, only if America was at Cold War with the rest of the world.

Number of Chinese American : 5,143,982
Number of American in China : About 72,000

Number of Chinese Australia : 1,213,903
Number of Australian in China : About 15,000

Number of Chinese Canadian : 1,769,195
Numbe of Canadian in China : About 12,885

Not to mention that many American, Canadian and Australian expats in China are ethnic Chinese to begin with. The significant number of people with Chinese ancestry are living in America, Canada and Australia and their numbers are growing rapidly as Chinese are queuing up to migrate to developed countries. You know what? I am okay with that. Who wants to live in a shithole like mainland China.

However, I don't understand that why Chinese are shiting on their adopted country. I am more than welcome healthy and well-constructed criticism, but what some Chinese have shown here is unreasonable and petty hatred against their new home country. Don't they understand any irony of that? Maybe, they should consider re-locating themselves to mainland China if they can't stick for the American/Australian/Canadian flag that they 'proudly' fly over their profile. lol.

The US, Canada and Australia are immigrant nations. They were built by immigration. How many Australians are in Ireland vs ethnic Irish in Australia? Or how about Italians in New York vs Americans in Italy? Does that make Ireland or Italy a shithole? Shit, the number of overseas Chinese is not even a percent of China's population while the number of ethnic Irish abroad probably dwarfs the population of Ireland.

China today is not a shithole. In many ways, it has advanced past the West. It might have been a shithole 20 years ago, but it is a different country today than it was even 10 years ago.

But I digress. The reason why many ethnic Chinese are vehemently against the warmongering policies of the US government (or the Deep State, who actually runs the show) is because it's just another round of aggression against non-Western countries in order to keep them in line. The fact that many of us have actually lived or spent a lot of time in China and Asia in general gives us insight to know that the constant anti-China hysteria being spouted by the mainstream media are composed of outright lies, defamation and racist hysteria, much of which actually deeply affect us personally negatively. It is China today, but yesterday it was Iran, it was Iraq, it was Syria, just a long line of countries who are the targets of Western aggression.

I mean you're a European man living in the Asian hemisphere on a continent where an entire race was genocided. The most outright aggressive and warmongering people in the world are the Anglos, who committed widespread genocide on two continents. So when we hear the media constantly berate China, the hypocrisy is just obvious and it is disgusting. Just because you have amnesia about how White Europeans got to become rich and occupy three continents, doesn't mean the rest of the non-White world forgot. It was through violence, theft and killing.