Taiwan navy releases first video of self-designed ‘killer’ warship Tuo Jiang

[ChineseTiger1986]

So why did western media disrespected China during the 70s and 80s when US-China relations were friendly and almost allies against the USSR?

Western media doesn't disrespect New Zealand but this little country often defies the US (e.g. nuclear-free policy, criticises the US attack on Iraq after 9/11).

But according to your logic, NZ is some entity that the US can influence. LOL

Because China was dirty poor back then, and the West never did realize that it can become what it is today.

 

[EastSea]

It is the other way around, the Koreans and Japanese were originally the Southeast Asians moved up to the Northeast Asia.

If it should been, Viet/kinh tribers have been gone up to Dongding lake first, before settled back to Vietnam, it is normal. Isn't it ?.

 

[William Hung]

Because China was dirty poor back then, and the West never did realize that it can become what it is today.

But that @Lure guy has a logic that says if western media disrespects you, it sees you as an adversary. And if they don't disrespect you, it means that they see you as someone that they can influence.

I just want to use some examples to show that his logic is silly.

But yes, I agree that western media disrespected China back then because it looked down on China.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

If it should been, Viet/kinh tribers have been gone up to Dongding lake first, before settled back to Vietnam, it is normal. Isn't it ?.

Of course, it is normal.

Since Hunan was never part of Vietnam in the history, otherwise Mao and many of his Marshals will have the Viet gene.

But that @Lure guy has a logic that say if western media disrespects you, it sees you as an adversary. And if they don't disrespect you, it sees you as someone that they can influence.

I just want to use some examples to show that his logic is silly.

But yes, I agree that western media disrespected China back then because it looked down on China.

The western media hates China, but consider Taiwan as a non-existent threat.

About the respect, what is your standard? They are hostile towards China, but see Taiwan as a pet.

 

[EastSea]

Of course, it is normal.

Since Hunan was never part of Vietnam in the history, otherwise Mao and many of his Marshals will have the Viet gene.



The western media hates China, but consider Taiwan as a non-existent threat.

About the respect, what is your standard? They are hostile towards China, but see Taiwan as a pet.

You said that Mao is Xiang, so he is not Viet.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

You said that Mao is Xiang, so he is not Viet.

He is a native of Hunan, and he has nothing to do with you Viets.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

People from Hunan have NOTHING to do with Viets. Hunan was part of the original warring kingdoms, along with Hubei, as the Kingdom of Chu - direct ancestors of Hans.

 

[William Hung]

The western media hates China, but consider Taiwan as a non-existent threat.

About the respect, what is your standard? They are hostile towards China, but see Taiwan as a pet.

There could be many reasons why a person would love/hate or respect/disrespect another person.

My standard for what is respect and disrespect is the same standard that I apply to normal people in their daily environment. After all, behind the medias are just normal people talking about other people.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

There could be many reasons why a person would love/hate or respect/disrespect another person.

My standard for what is respect and disrespect is the same standard that I apply to normal people in their daily environment. After all, behind the medias are just normal people talking about other people.

The US has nothing hatred or respect towards Taiwan, since Taiwan is just a pawn, a slave, or a pet to them.

As for China, it is mostly hatred and hostility, it is not that China has done anything good or bad, but China as a challenger to their hegemony is their biggest problem.

No matter you are democratic or communist, the US doesn't like anyone to stand up and challenge their status in this world.

 

[Globenim]

Do the Vietcong here realize these ships are much more likely to sink the Vietnamese navy trying to assert their new "historical" claims on Chinese territory and there is little chance for them to ever engage a vessel from the mainland? They will do their best to avoid confrontation then, while they would immediately beat Vietnamese junk navy to a pulp if they get aggressive. Why so cheerful?

 

[Viet]

Do the Vietcong here realize these ships are much more likely to sink the Vietnamese navy trying to assert their new "historical" claims on Chinese territory and there is little chance for them to ever engage a vessel from the mainland? They will do their best to avoid confrontation then, while they would immediately beat Vietnamese junk navy to a pulp if they get aggressive. Why so cheerful?

do you realize Taiwan is Vietnam´s friend?
here a group of Taiwanese showing some fun signs.

 

[Audio]

This only shows that Taiwan's military industrial complex is actually a toddler compared to China's.

With their own capability without any imported technology, they can only build a 500 tons corvette at max.

CIWS is imported. Main gun looks like Oto Melara as well.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

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CIWS is imported. Main gun looks like Oto Melara as well.

So I was pretty generous as Taiwan is even actually weaker than I thought before.

do you realize Taiwan is Vietnam´s friend?
here a group of Taiwanese showing some fun signs.

We have taken Taiwan back, they will soon get kicked out from our soil.

 

[Lure]

But that @Lure guy has a logic that says if western media disrespects you, it sees you as an adversary. And if they don't disrespect you, it means that they see you as someone that they can influence.

I just want to use some examples to show that his logic is silly.

But yes, I agree that western media disrespected China back then because it looked down on China.

I'm sorry but with what example particularly did you disprove my logic? Because if I was able to understand your counter thesis (I mean if you logic made sense) I would be more than happily reply you to support my argument.

If I might need to educate you, Henry Kissinger's foreign policy during the Cold War was based on isolating the Soviet Union from it's allies. If you look at the Soviet Sphere of Influence back in 1950's -the start of the competition between Eastern and Western Blocks- you can see that most of the Asian Nations were covered by that. Soviets were allies with China and had extremely close relations with India which is the result of, I should admit, an extremely clever and beutifully crafted foreign policy.

In Khrushchev era, Soviet Union and China started to have problems. Mostly about the Culture Revolution and the Great Leap Forward policies. Khrushchev was so eager to be consulted about these policies whereas Mao wasn't a fan of taking ideas from Khrushchev. After the huge disasters resulting from the Great Leap Forward, Khrushchev publicly denounced the policies of Mao. This started the process of Sino-Soviet Split. After a decade long bitter relations between China and USSR, Henry Kissinger believed that China might actually appreciate US help to completely seperate it's policies from USSR and emerge as a "third power" of Cold War which would be the loss of a major ally and further isolation for USSR.

In this period, China had reformed it's economic policies, opened it's economy to rest of the World. Started to walk in a path that would transform it's socialist economy into a free market economy and played a counter-balance role in USSR policies regarding East and South Asia. One of the resulting acts about this is Chinese Intervention of Vietnam-Cambodian (favoring Cambodia) war and India-Pakistan (favoring Pakistan) conflicts.

In return China had made itself into UN -Taiwan kicked out-, and "One China Policy" was recognized by USA. In this era -70's and 80's- China was favored by the mainstream Western Media because US foreign policy was friendly towards China. It's the issue of carrot and stick. If China aligns itself with Western policies it receives the carrot, if it tried to revision Western status quo, China receives the stick.

And about the NZ issue. Are you kidding? New Zealend is a major non-Nato US ally. NZ can publicly critisize US. This would not change their status. Germany also publicly critisized US for it's ME campaign. Even some senior decision makers in USA critisized USA's ME campaign. Let's talk about steadiness of the long term relations. Not small DISAGREEMENTS between ALLIES.

 

[Globenim]

do you realize Taiwan is Vietnam´s friend?

Do you realize that "Taiwan" is just a lesser enemy of you than the mainlaind because of it's lacking of firepower compared to the mainland and they are going to beat you to a pulp just like the mainland if you try to assert your recent "historical" claims on Chinese territory no matter what your want to delude yourself to believe about some friendship with "Taiwan"? They won't support, defend or aid your for poaching in Chinese waters or laying claim on Chinese islands. The opposite. Or are you paid to act stupid?

But because they aren't uncivilized apes only looking for trouble, they will deal with you as a consumer market for export and cheap labour. No different than China sees your poor and unstable country.