Taiwan-China War

[Martian2]

Taiwan prepared to defend itself alone: ex-defense minister - Taipei Times

 

[Martian2]

Public debunks 'status quo' myth - Taipei Times

 

[Sage]

Public debunks 'status quo' myth - Taipei Times

 

[Martian2]

Compared to continental-size superpowers, Taiwan is a minnow.

Taiwan has no strategic depth. There is nowhere to retreat.

It is folly to fight and have Taiwanese cities bombed into husks like Dresden.

If the policy of strategic surrender is good enough for the French, why isn't it good enough for Taiwan?

 

[Aepsilons]

A war will never happen . Don't kid yourself.

 

[Martian2]

A war will never happen . Don't kid yourself.

The Pentagon, U.S. think tanks, and Neo-Cons believe it is a possibility.

The ex-Taiwanese defense minister thinks it's possible too.

If it does happen, my suggestion is for Taiwan to surrender within one hour (before the Chinese fighter jets cross the Taiwan Strait). This will result in no damage to Taiwan.

Taiwan really needs to sit out the China-US conflict. Let the two elephants fight. Taiwan can't make a difference and should pull a Switzerland (e.g. we're neutral).

 

[Aepsilons]

Taiwan remained untouched in WW2 when she was a Japanese Imperial Crown Colony. What makes you think Taiwan will be in any war with China . War Hawks don't dictate policy in Taiwan .

As I said before , there will be no war.

 

[Srinivas]

A war will never happen . Don't kid yourself.

CCP leaders think like Martian2 !

 

[IsaacNewton]

Not impossible.
But why would china want to destroy a 500b gdp economy?

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Not impossible.
But why would china want to destroy a 500b gdp economy?

The US destroyed Libya, the former richest and most progressive country in Africa, and turned into a place worse than Somalia. Why?

 

[jhungary]

Taiwan remained untouched in WW2 when she was a Japanese Imperial Crown Colony. What makes you think Taiwan will be in any war with China . War Hawks don't dictate policy in Taiwan .

As I said before , there will be no war.

do you know why I like to read comment from @Martian2 albeit it wasn't even remotely true?? 'Cause it's entertaining, he uses big word like "Strategic Depth" but he don't actually know what that means

Case in point

Taiwan has no strategic depth. There is nowhere to retreat.

Well, this is being taught first day in OCS (Well, not the first day, but...) Being an Island itself is a strategic depth. As you have to gone thru an uncovered ocean where the defender can actually defend before you can attack an enemy on the other side of the ocean. They can mine the channel, they can have air/sea/subsea patrol etc.

That's the main reason why Taiwan was not attacked by the US during WW2, first, to attack Taiwan, US would have suffer a great deal of casualty, but the gain was so little, the US have a choice between capture Luzon and Taiwan but rule in favour Luzon because well, half of it goes to MacArthur insistence and another half is the hardship to land in Taiwan. Unlike Luzon and the Philippine, Taiwan is ONE GIANT ISLAND.

When you have to pick a field for landing, you need to pick a phase line long enough to cover your first day objective and also long enough to be able to sustain a beachhead. Being a small Island, your landing line is small and you can put enough people to cover the landing part of the shore line. But a Giant island would give the defender advantage as they can concentrate on your landing beaches and flank you, if your landing line not extended wide enough.

If the beachhead is not wide enough, your force landed on the beachhead will be prone to flanking counter attack, a classic hammer and anvil style tactics, when the front keep pinning the landing force down and both flank engage and roll up the landing force flank while they are being pin down.

If the beachhead is too wide, then you run a risk of getting cut into small piece and small pocket, instead you are fighting one continuous beachhead, you fight several battle in the same beach at once

IT would require twice to three time the resource than in Philippine to achieve a defendable beachhead on the first day in Taiwan, and that line would be half the length of the entire Taiwan Island.

If the American cannot do it in WW2, arguably the best US Navy resource-wise due to the total mobilisation, Chinese could not do it now,

 

[Martian2]

do you know why I like to read comment from @Martian2 albeit it wasn't even remotely true?? 'Cause it's entertaining, he uses big word like "Strategic Depth" but he don't actually know what that means

Case in point



Well, this is being taught first day in OCS (Well, not the first day, but...) Being an Island itself is a strategic depth. As you have to gone thru an uncovered ocean where the defender can actually defend before you can attack an enemy on the other side of the ocean. They can mine the channel, they can have air/sea/subsea patrol etc.

That's the main reason why Taiwan was not attacked by the US during WW2, first, to attack Taiwan, US would have suffer a great deal of casualty, but the gain was so little, the US have a choice between capture Luzon and Taiwan but rule in favour Luzon because well, half of it goes to MacArthur insistence and another half is the hardship to land in Taiwan. Unlike Luzon and the Philippine, Taiwan is ONE GIANT ISLAND.

When you have to pick a field for landing, you need to pick a phase line long enough to cover your first day objective and also long enough to be able to sustain a beachhead. Being a small Island, your landing line is small and you can put enough people to cover the landing part of the shore line. But a Giant island would give the defender advantage as they can concentrate on your landing beaches and flank you, if your landing line not extended wide enough.

If the beachhead is not wide enough, your force landed on the beachhead will be prone to flanking counter attack, a classic hammer and anvil style tactics, when the front keep pinning the landing force down and both flank engage and roll up the landing force flank while they are being pin down.

If the beachhead is too wide, then you run a risk of getting cut into small piece and small pocket, instead you are fighting one continuous beachhead, you fight several battle in the same beach at once

IT would require twice to three time the resource than in Philippine to achieve a defendable beachhead on the first day in Taiwan, and that line would be half the length of the entire Taiwan Island.

If the American cannot do it in WW2, arguably the best US Navy resource-wise due to the total mobilisation, Chinese could not do it now,

Taiwan is 90 miles wide at its maximum. That is the definition of no strategic depth.

You haven't changed one bit. Always concerned about semantics. I haven't heard a single original or useful idea from you to date.

Have you ever been on Taiwan? I lived there for six years. At its widest, it's about 90 miles. That means the average width of Taiwan is 45 miles. There is no place to run. A tank can cover 45 miles in one hour.

After landfall and a Chinese blitzkrieg, the Taiwanese Army will all be dead from a howitzer strike. A howitzer has a range of about 20 miles. The top quarter and bottom quarter of Taiwan has an average width of 20 miles. That means one half of Taiwan is fully within range of a howitzer. The middle section can be overrun by a tank in one hour.

That is the definition of no strategic depth. There is no place to run from a Chinese howitzer or a Chinese tank.

A Chinese WZ-10 attack helicopter has a top speed of 186 miles per hour. It can cover the width of Taiwan in 15 to 30 minutes. The island would be buzzing with Chinese WZ-10 attack helicopters. There is no place to hide.

If you are not familiar with Taiwan, I suggest you stop mouthing off. There is no strategic depth. I know. I lived there.

 

[jhungary]

You haven't changed one bit. Always concerned about semantics. I haven't heard a single original or useful idea from you to date.

Have you ever been on Taiwan? I lived there for six years. At its widest, it's about 90 miles. That means the average width of Taiwan is 45 miles. There is no place to run. A tank can cover 45 miles in one hour.

After landfall and a Chinese blitzkrieg, the Taiwanese Army will all be dead from a howitzer strike. A howitzer has a range of about 20 miles. The top quarter and bottom quarter of Taiwan has an average width of 20 miles. That means one half of Taiwan is fully within range of a howitzer. The middle section can be overrun by a tank in one hour.

That is the definition of no strategic depth. There is no place to run from a Chinese howitzer or a Chinese tank.

If you are not familiar with Taiwan, I suggest you stop mouthing off. There is no strategic depth. I know. I lived there.

dude, hard to believe I have actually been in Taiwan LONGER than you...I have been on and off living in Taiwan-Hong Kong-Shenzhen for 20 YEARS, so about 6.67 years each on average lol

okay, now break down your argument

. A tank can cover 45 miles in one hour

tell me which tank can run `45 miles in one hours IN COMBAT?

I was in Baghdad for the Thunder run with the third Infantry division, it took 1 whole days for the US Army
to get from the green zone to government district, which is some 60 mile long. And we are talking about DESERT, not urban environment when Tank can drive with full ahead speed in desert, about 20 mph in urban area, I AM A BRADLEY COMMANDER, I KNOW THIS

So, I want to ask you in which world you can drive a tank, across 45 mile in urban combat ?

After landfall and a Chinese blitzkrieg

How do Chinese Infantry and Tank made a land fall in Taiwan from China? They all teleport? or swim?

the Taiwanese Army will all be dead from a howitzer strike

How do the Chinese Howitzer get from China to Taiwan? Teleport? Or the Chinese is shipping the howitzer to Taiwan first and say to the Taiwan custom officer "Hey, don't touch that, I ama using this to invade you" lol?

The top quarter and bottom quarter of Taiwan has an average width of 20 miles. That means one half of Taiwan is fully within range of a howitzer. The middle section can be overrun by a tank in one hour.

How do the Chinese Artillery Piece to be in Taiwan Top Right Corner in the first place? You cannot make them magically appear....

And How do tank run down Taiwanese defence in one hour like you said??

I laugh so hard reading your post, man. But seriously,

@SvenSvensonov @Nihonjin1051

 

[jhungary]

It's called an airborne drop.

How many tank you can get on a Y-20?
and How many Y-20 you have??

DO you even know how many HEAVY you need to transport one single Tank battalion of 60 tanks and its crew?

Airborne invasion will not work without an seaborne support, suggest you at least read some books about Military tactics. And stop calling people names, calling other people names does not make you sounded clever.

 

[Martian2]

How many tank you can get on a Y-20?
and How many Y-20 you have??

DO you even know how many HEAVY you need to transport one single Tank battalion of 60 tanks and its crew?

Airborne invasion will not work without an seaborne support, suggest you at least read some books about Military tactics. And stop calling people names, calling other people names does not make you sounded clever.

Also, try reading a book for once in your life. You go around making stupid claims like Taiwan has strategic depth. Only a fool like you believe that. No one else does (see citation below).
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Defending Taiwan: The Future Vision of Taiwan's Defence Policy and Military ... - Google Books

"Martin Edmonds, ‎Michael Tsai - 2013 - ‎History
The Future Vision of Taiwan's Defence Policy and Military Strategy Martin ... ability to carry out, not only the proposed, but also current defense policy effectively. ... of Mainland China, Taiwan has always suffered from a lack of strategic depth."