PARIKRAMA
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Hi @WebMaster Bro,
I am opening the thread here as i thought the other thread would get derailed further as topic of discussion is very different... Yet the points made by both @WAJsal (moderator) and @Taygibay (professional) in a way necessitate a more serious discussion
Attached here is a view by our Wajsal Bro
Junior's Seniors Cafe
And here is a possible solution as suggested by our good friend Tay..
Junior's Seniors Cafe | Page 2
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Further to this, If i may add my view, i say certain topics deserve opinions of all PDF account holders..But what needs to be seen is how someone is participating in such a discussion. This is where jobs of moderators becomes way too heavy .. So instead the better way out is to create a way via which emphasis can be given on quality over quantity aspect..
Now how can quality be quantified? There can be multiple ways..
- One is say via positive ratings to negative ratings ratio as suggested by @Taygibay - As usual our friend Tay is innovative with out of box thinking like 3:1 ratio...
- Another could be thanks as per different sections which is already visible in the left side as a big number. Recall in profile you can see which section you posted how many threads/replies as i saw that some time back.. So in the same manner we can further refine the thanks as per multiple sections.
Now simply say for a senior member you need as an example 2000 thanks individually in minimum 3 sections, for an elite may need 2000 thanks individually in 5 sections, a super elite may need in more sections.. and the same must be vetted by a committee which looks at the same once monthly.. Just an example here.. I said monthly once bcz the load on committee on daily or weekly will be way too much.. Of course exceptions can be made if 3 mods including TT V chairman like Slav bro agrees and the same can be ratified when the monthly committee looks for making changes across the spectrum.. This is akin to Real Life situations where in corporate world certain changes does not happen daily basis.
For even more honorary titles, i certainly believe in a appraisal cycle (twice in a year or once).. That should be also in line with real life.. You dont get promoted just bcz you did good for one month.. Your track must prove your credentials across the time when you are in PDF.. For example if i get 3 negative ticks this year say upto now, i cannot be a contender for any promotions.. Similarly, any negative ticks beyond one particular cut off should also see automatic demotions too.. Reflecting a more dynamic system then present one where its static...
The multiple section thanks actually in a way solidifies that progression in PDF wont be based on quantity of posts alone. if we go by quantity a new account can become senior in 10-15 days with posts and an elite in 2 months -3 months max...Sticking to just one section and posting there non stop for example consider pictures thread.. 2 sections in Members and Photos and Multimedia could do the simple trick of becoming senior elites with posts..
Thus the system has a lacunae which needs to be addressed.. At present the titles and additional honorary tags/titles is not able to do justice for the system in hand.. Perhaps few years back it could have served the purpose but look at now, the present 2016, there is a massive new headcount from across the globe and the system loophole allows a scope of exploitation which may make some of potential new users and among them a good amount of potential quality posters/professionals to move on or not to sign up after reading through the forum as guests. This to me is a big opportunity lost for PDF.
I for one would want a section for all members for discussion irrespective of Junior Senior for everyone to be given a fair chance.. But beyond that section, slowly certain restriction must be imposed in a manner which is not too much authoritarian yet sensible enough for the PDF future perspective...
Especially bcz this forum attracts multiple countries folks and professionals.. Thus, everything must be done to ensure it remains attractive to all yet it maintains quality aspect and strive for even higher standards.
Going by Historic posts, i am sure many attempts have been made in the past to try and see what could be feasible and what could be practical and easier to implement. An example is an attempt by @Slav Defence bro here
New titles.
Yet the solution as of now gives an impression that loopholes exists which needs to be addressed in a manner which guides the PDF towards a new and more dynamic system than perhaps the present system which is good but it has lived far too long and is having limitations..
Can we all suggest something which is acceptable and workable for PDF which can then move from PDF v1.0 towards a more evolved PDF v2.0
@Slav Defence @Icarus @WAJsal @HRK @waz @Manticore @Jungibaaz @Oscar @Horus @MilSpec @Taygibay @Vauban @AUSTERLITZ @Serpentine @Daneshmand @Neutron @SpArK @Joe Shearer @jhungary @Technogaianist @nair @Nihonjin1051 @others
Would love to hear your views. Especially since you folks have been here for good time and understand what could be the limitation and what could work out for the best of PDF.
I am opening the thread here as i thought the other thread would get derailed further as topic of discussion is very different... Yet the points made by both @WAJsal (moderator) and @Taygibay (professional) in a way necessitate a more serious discussion
Attached here is a view by our Wajsal Bro
Junior's Seniors Cafe
And here is a possible solution as suggested by our good friend Tay..
Junior's Seniors Cafe | Page 2
+++
Further to this, If i may add my view, i say certain topics deserve opinions of all PDF account holders..But what needs to be seen is how someone is participating in such a discussion. This is where jobs of moderators becomes way too heavy .. So instead the better way out is to create a way via which emphasis can be given on quality over quantity aspect..
Now how can quality be quantified? There can be multiple ways..
- One is say via positive ratings to negative ratings ratio as suggested by @Taygibay - As usual our friend Tay is innovative with out of box thinking like 3:1 ratio...
- Another could be thanks as per different sections which is already visible in the left side as a big number. Recall in profile you can see which section you posted how many threads/replies as i saw that some time back.. So in the same manner we can further refine the thanks as per multiple sections.
Now simply say for a senior member you need as an example 2000 thanks individually in minimum 3 sections, for an elite may need 2000 thanks individually in 5 sections, a super elite may need in more sections.. and the same must be vetted by a committee which looks at the same once monthly.. Just an example here.. I said monthly once bcz the load on committee on daily or weekly will be way too much.. Of course exceptions can be made if 3 mods including TT V chairman like Slav bro agrees and the same can be ratified when the monthly committee looks for making changes across the spectrum.. This is akin to Real Life situations where in corporate world certain changes does not happen daily basis.
For even more honorary titles, i certainly believe in a appraisal cycle (twice in a year or once).. That should be also in line with real life.. You dont get promoted just bcz you did good for one month.. Your track must prove your credentials across the time when you are in PDF.. For example if i get 3 negative ticks this year say upto now, i cannot be a contender for any promotions.. Similarly, any negative ticks beyond one particular cut off should also see automatic demotions too.. Reflecting a more dynamic system then present one where its static...
The multiple section thanks actually in a way solidifies that progression in PDF wont be based on quantity of posts alone. if we go by quantity a new account can become senior in 10-15 days with posts and an elite in 2 months -3 months max...Sticking to just one section and posting there non stop for example consider pictures thread.. 2 sections in Members and Photos and Multimedia could do the simple trick of becoming senior elites with posts..
Thus the system has a lacunae which needs to be addressed.. At present the titles and additional honorary tags/titles is not able to do justice for the system in hand.. Perhaps few years back it could have served the purpose but look at now, the present 2016, there is a massive new headcount from across the globe and the system loophole allows a scope of exploitation which may make some of potential new users and among them a good amount of potential quality posters/professionals to move on or not to sign up after reading through the forum as guests. This to me is a big opportunity lost for PDF.
I for one would want a section for all members for discussion irrespective of Junior Senior for everyone to be given a fair chance.. But beyond that section, slowly certain restriction must be imposed in a manner which is not too much authoritarian yet sensible enough for the PDF future perspective...
Especially bcz this forum attracts multiple countries folks and professionals.. Thus, everything must be done to ensure it remains attractive to all yet it maintains quality aspect and strive for even higher standards.
Going by Historic posts, i am sure many attempts have been made in the past to try and see what could be feasible and what could be practical and easier to implement. An example is an attempt by @Slav Defence bro here
New titles.
Yet the solution as of now gives an impression that loopholes exists which needs to be addressed in a manner which guides the PDF towards a new and more dynamic system than perhaps the present system which is good but it has lived far too long and is having limitations..
Can we all suggest something which is acceptable and workable for PDF which can then move from PDF v1.0 towards a more evolved PDF v2.0
@Slav Defence @Icarus @WAJsal @HRK @waz @Manticore @Jungibaaz @Oscar @Horus @MilSpec @Taygibay @Vauban @AUSTERLITZ @Serpentine @Daneshmand @Neutron @SpArK @Joe Shearer @jhungary @Technogaianist @nair @Nihonjin1051 @others
Would love to hear your views. Especially since you folks have been here for good time and understand what could be the limitation and what could work out for the best of PDF.
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