Tacit admission by Afghans/Americans that they can't do anything to Pakistan becuase of nukes

[Super Falcon]

Certainly Afghans cant do anything, but dont agree that Americans cant, if u look at history Americans knew Pakistan was trying to make the bomb but they didn't do anything in fact at time for serving their short term interests they actively aided Pakistan.But there is nothing wrong Pakistan in having nuclear weapons it actually helped avoiding another war.
Pakistan just need to change its foreign policy regarding India.

It's India who has to change our policy is always for peace to resolve all issues it's India who is running away all the time for GOD sake at least talk reality

Time to send RAAD MISSILE to Afghan border to send them clear message we will shut ur mouth and *** permanently

 

[DesiGuy1403]

Pakistan no matter how much Afghanistan provokes will never be able to use nukes against them.

Doubt even bestest buddy China would be able to pull Pakistan out of trouble it will be in if goes down that path.

 

[third eye]

The above is a kick in the teeth of those Pakistanis who question our military and nuclear weapons

Here is yet another thread with a doctored title .

Its most unfortunate when nations hide behind WMD to secure their relevance on the world stage.

The other nation that comes to mind is North Korea.

Weapons cover only one dimension & in their headlong quest both NK & Pak seem to have glossed over so many options that would have made them relevant & sought after . Economics is one such dimension.

 

[Djinn]

I don't think having nukes alone will suffice to deter US, Pakistan needs to develop ICBM's/SLBM's to threaten US population. If Pakistan has the means to strike US territory, only then Pakistani deterrence against US can be considered credible.

 

[LeGenD]

This article doesn't proves much. American officials were split over conducting Operation Neptune Spear as well. However, Obama approved it and American forces pulled it off.

Bush administration was confident that it could destroy Pakistan should it come down to that (God forbid).

However, of-course, nukes do give a pause to the aggressor. This is understood. They are useful.

The americans stopped a lot of nations developing nukes but why not Pakistan as well? What is the reason? The people who run america certainly don't want us to have nukes. The americans never helped us with developing nukes. The Chinese did. The americans did ignore our nuke developments for a while though.

Hint: Ronald Reagan (A genuinely pro-Pakistani US president)

The Reagan Administration did more than forgo nagging, however; it looked the other way throughout the mid-nineteen-eighties as Pakistan assembled its nuclear arsenal with the aid of many millions of dollars’ worth of restricted, high-tech materials bought inside the United States.

Source: http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/1993/03/29/on-the-nuclear-edge

Credit where due.

This has been suggested before but I don't buy it at all. There is no doubt that Musharraf, the Pakistani military and politicians were concerned about a possible american invasion but their submission and aquiesence to american demands were not the reasons that the americans did not atrack/invade Pakistan.

In the middle of 2002, Saddam Hussein and the Iraqis gave in to ALL american demands and were ready to give Iraq on a plate to them provided they weren't attacked. They compromised and caved into american demands way more readily than Pakistan ever did YET STILL the americans attacked and destroyed them. Because they could with Iraq they did. They did not care what the rest of the world thought or did. With Pakistan they wanted to but couldn't. So they did not. History has shown that the americans will destroy any nation they want to if they are too weak. They do this with complete disregard of world opinion. They don't attack nations that can fight back in a meaningful manner. The Iraqis and Afghans can attest to this.

Pakistan has full communication with the Afghan Taliban now in full view of the americans so why don't the americans attack Pakistan now then? Did we just call their bluff?

In the OP the american general clearly states that the americans have limited options against Pakistan because of our nukes much to the bitterment of the Afghans. Reality supports this.

Why would President Musharraf lie about such an important issue? Pakistan was not on good terms with the US back then.

Saddam's regime was toppled because he threatened US economic interests by choosing Euro over USD for oil exports. This is the real reason behind the invasion of Iraq. WMDs was just a cover-up and excuse.

As for Taliban; you don't understand what is going in Afghanistan. It is a nation of tribes (some represent Taliban; others represent Northern Alliance; yet others work with both for personal gains). US is just keeping its options open. They have admitted that current tribes of Taliban are not enemy # 1 since the death of Mullah Omar. Perhaps those Tribes are open to negotiations. US wants them to join the democratic setup in Afghanistan. It also comes down to the perspective of an American president; Bush had a different perspective about Afghanistan and Obama have a different perspective of the same. Bush put Taliban on the run but Obama was willing to negotiate.

 

[shah1398]

So now your President is a Liar? These are the words of your own president not mine.

Sir plz read my post again. I havent even said a single word about our then President's credibility. Rather i was pointing at stark changes that occurred from 2001 till date.

 

[LeGenD]

To some extent I agree with you. The Iraqi resistance managed to kill 1000s of american troops between 2004 and 2009 before being paid off by the american military. Although the americans destroyed Iraq they did suffer relatively huge losses not seen since Vietnam. This when Iraq's population is barely 38 million and who are very lightly armed. If the americans tried that on Pakistan it would be a nightmare for them that they cannot imagine. Pakistan's population is 5x that of Iraq. We are many more times heavily armed with more high tech sophisticated weapons than Iraq. Our soldiers and paramilitaries are much better trained and more ruthless killing machines then the Iraqi resistance. So based on that it is unlikely the americans would dare invade us but I still wouldn't put it pass them.

I think you underestimate Iraqi people too much. They are battle-hardened to the core due to fighting several wars (wars of much greater scale and intensity then Pakistan). Almost every Iraqi is armed and many are skilled fighters. One of my elder brother's friend is son of an Iraqi general; they studied together. Iraqi resistance fighters turned entire cities to fortresses and employed tactics that you would expect from a professional army. Check details of Operation Phantom Fury (it is recognized as bloodiest battle in Iraq for the Americans).

From where do you think that most of the manpower of ISIS comes from? From Iraq. Look at how successful ISIS have been on the ground. It is like a professional army but with added skills of an insurgency.

Numbers do not matter! Preparation matters.

I will not say that Pakistan cannot offer credible resistance to the US on the ground but I think that you are mistakenly assuming that entire Pakistan is some kind of martial race. A large number of people in the country are accustomed to luxuries at present and they don't have the will to fight. Keeping firearms (and being a street bully) doesn't makes you a marksman or a soldier.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Quite much have changed in all these 15 years. Many ups and down came but this one phone call thingi has been buried deep for good. Wud not go in details.

"It's not an ancient heresy that hanging and marriage go by destiny" (Midsummer Night's Dream - Shakespeare)

Do anybody in their right mind go into Afganistan? Don't they know that the most intelligent modern Western leader, Winston Churchill, got injured in the Anglo-Afgan war? How can you defeat the folks who have nothing to lose in this world? Ah! Only if they knew...

The sole beneficiary of the WOT is China. She is on her way to become the next Super Power. Already the American high tech companies like Qualcom, AMD, Intel etc. are working for them. All business policies are geared toward serving China so that her growth becomes even smoother. What a loss for the USA!!!

 

[shah1398]

Do anybody in their right mind go into Afganistan?

Sir U have actually presented the main crux in the bold

 

[LeGenD]

"It's not an ancient heresy that hanging and marriage go by destiny" (Midsummer Night's Dream - Shakespeare)

Do anybody in their right mind go into Afganistan? Don't they know that the most intelligent modern Western leader, Winston Churchill, got injured in the Anglo-Afgan war? How can you defeat the folks who have nothing to lose in this world? Ah! Only if they knew...

The sole beneficiary of the WOT is China. She is on her way to become the next Super Power. Already the American high tech companies like Qualcom, AMD, Intel etc. are working for them. All business policies are geared toward serving China so that her growth becomes even smoother. What a loss for the USA!!!

Afghanistan have lot of untapped resources.

US presence in Afghanistan is for its own motives. Taliban is just an excuse.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Afghanistan have lot of untapped resources.

US presence in Afghanistan is for its own motives. Taliban is just an excuse.

Will the USA go bankrupt to tap those resources? I don't know how long they can bear these costs. F-16 fiasco shows that they might be looking for an exit. The USA is all about quick fixes and returns...

 

[LeGenD]

Will the USA go bankrupt to tap those resources? I don't know how long they can bear these costs. F-16 fiasco shows that they might be looking for an exit. The USA is all about quick fixes and returns...

Bankruptcy? Not even close, my friend.

American economy is way too big and complex for a war to drag it down. In-fact, American defense industry thrives on conflicts and make good profits from them to contribute to American revenue.

Keeping 10,000 troops in Afghanistan for long-term is not expensive. US have overseas military presence in several countries.

If US leaves Afghanistan, it won't have the legitimacy to go back.

 

[weqi]

Certainly Afghans cant do anything, but dont agree that Americans cant, if u look at history Americans knew Pakistan was trying to make the bomb but they didn't do anything in fact at time for serving their short term interests they actively aided Pakistan.But there is nothing wrong Pakistan in having nuclear weapons it actually helped avoiding another war.
Pakistan just need to change its foreign policy regarding India.

pakitan changed its policy thats why we are nuke