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Ever wondered why the americans couldn't invade or launch a full scale attack on Pakistan like they did with Iraq and Afghanistan? (even though the neo-cons have publically advocated the destruction of Pakistan along with Iraq and Afghanistan and other nations) Will here is a tacit admission by some of our enemies:

http://www.pajhwok.com/en/opinions/pakistan-terrorism-and-united-states

Pakistan, Terrorism and the United States

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By Bilal Nikyar
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May 02, 2016 - 16:02
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In recent times, top Western officials, from the Defense Minister of the United States to the NATAfghanistan is going to get dire and that the year ahead of us is also going to be a difficult one in terms of the fight against terrorists. Some has even said that it’s just about survival for Afghans. These are surprising statements, at least for a common Afghan like me who lives in Afghanistan and observes the current affairs keenly. It’s also mind-boggling for the security forces of Afghanistan who have been at the frontline of every battle defending their country. Since 9/11, a lot of blood and treasure has been sacrificed to bring peace and development to Afghanistan. It’s been nearly 15 years now. One would expect that after 15 years of sacrifices we would at least be optimistic about the years ahead, if not claim the victory against terrorists. But that has sadly not been the case. It’s also amazing to hear such comments when just a few years ago before the contention issue of BSA (Bilateral Security Agreement), Western experts and officials were arguing that the BSA is a condition for peace and security in Afghanistan. Nonetheless, it has been signed, but obviously it hasn’t yielded any positive results yet, in fact the security situation has gradually deteriorated especially in the past year, 2015. So the question arises, why are we still pessimistic about our safety and victory after all these years?



Well, one of the main reasons for such pessimistic comments is the surging power of Taliban, and its brutal attacks in the last few months. It’s a well-known and well-established fact that the leaders of Taliban and their families are based in Pakistan, and that’s where their full support come from. In fact top Pakistani Advisor Sartaj Aziz has confessed this in his recent remarks saying that Pakistan has significant influence over Taliban because they are living in Pakistan and so are their families. Recently, United States’ former Ambassador to Afghanistan and later Iraq, Zalmay Khalilzad went on to shed some light one the negative mood of Western nations in Afghanistan. He explicitly said that the principle failure of the United States in Afghanistan was its refusal to deal with Pakistan’s double game, who on the one hand allies itself with the International community for fight against terrorists, and on the other hand gives sanctuaries and harbors terrorists in its land. Then why is the United States not going after Pakistan when they know that Pakistan is behind all the terrorists who kill Afghans and foreign troops? It’s quite puzzling and pity that after all these years, we are trying to bring some sense to this issue which we shouldn’t do because the United States very well knows Pakistan’s hypocritical role in the fight against terrorism. It’s also very damaging to the image and credibility of the United States when they turn a blind eye towards the role of a known terrorists-backer, which is Pakistan. However, to find an answer to these intricate and delusional state of affairs, we should refer to the comments recently made by the top two former US Commanders in Afghanistan.



1st – General John Campbell, who in a open defense hearing told US senators a few weeks ago that the policy of their government (i.e. United States) is that Taliban are not considered the enemy of the United States. This is a shocking admission when you see the main driver of the violence in Afghanistan and in the region are Taliban, who just not kill Afghans but the International forces as well.



2nd – General John Allen, who when pushed about the question of Pakistan’s relationship with terrorists told to the audience of Council on Foreign Relations a few weeks ago, that the reason the United States can’t face Pakistan on its relations with terrorists is because of Pakistan’s nuclear weapons. And therefore, the United States must maintain a relationship with Pakistan, no matter what they do. It’s a rare confession. He was also referring to the national interest of the United States, which is that as long as Pakistan possesses nuclear arms; the US can’t do much about their other rogue activities.



So what does this mean for us the ordinary people? It obviously put a lot of doubts in everyone’s mind, which lead us to question if the United States is honestly fighting terrorist organizations like Taliban. And it also proves why we haven’t achieved any peace and stability in Afghanistan in the last 15 years and it will probably be the same at least in the immediate future. More dangerously, the cynicism and lack of clear policy on the part of Western officials only bolsters the moral of our common enemies, which are terrorists terrorizing us everyday. That must stop. Having said that, the Afghan government and its security forces see Taliban as the number one enemy of Afghanistan, and they will keep fighting these terrorists emanating from Pakistan. They have evidently made success against the scourge of so-called IS (Islamic State or Daesh), who used to have strongholds at the Eastern provinces of Afghanistan, mainly Nangarhar which shares border with Pakistan. This intent has been noted in the speeches of President Ashraf Ghani, who has repeatedly said that Afghanistan is going to be the graveyard of IS.



So, at the time when Afghanistan goes through delicate period in its history and at a time when we deal with such serious threats, we hope that our International partners will support us and make their intention clear against the state of Pakistan for nurturing terrorists. Only concrete practical actions against the double game of Pakistan will bring peace and harmony to Afghanistan and the region. All these other knee-jerk statements won’t help.



View expressed in this article are of the author’s own and do not necessarily reflect Pajhwok’s
editorial policy.


The above is a kick in the teeth of those Pakistanis who question our military and nuclear weapons
 
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Certainly Afghans cant do anything, but dont agree that Americans cant, if u look at history Americans knew Pakistan was trying to make the bomb but they didn't do anything in fact at time for serving their short term interests they actively aided Pakistan.But there is nothing wrong Pakistan in having nuclear weapons it actually helped avoiding another war.
Pakistan just need to change its foreign policy regarding India.
 
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If we can strengthen conventionally as well which will require a strong economy then theses enemies will have only their bark with no bite effect currently it barks and bites lightly however that can be put a stop to.
 
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Certainly Afghans cant do anything, but dont agree that Americans cant, if u look at history Americans knew Pakistan was trying to make the bomb but they didn't do anything in fact at time for serving their short term interests they actively aided Pakistan.But there is nothing wrong Pakistan in having nuclear weapons it actually helped avoiding another war.
Pakistan just need to change its foreign policy regarding India.


The americans stopped a lot of nations developing nukes but why not Pakistan as well? What is the reason? The people who run america certainly don't want us to have nukes. The americans never helped us with developing nukes. The Chinese did. The americans did ignore our nuke developments for a while though.
 
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Certainly Afghans cant do anything, but dont agree that Americans cant, if u look at history Americans knew Pakistan was trying to make the bomb but they didn't do anything in fact at time for serving their short term interests they actively aided Pakistan.But there is nothing wrong Pakistan in having nuclear weapons it actually helped avoiding another war.
Pakistan just need to change its foreign policy regarding India.

then how would they scare you into buying billions worth of arms, Chinese have nuke but they are not crazy muslims but Pakistanis are...buy buy buy
 
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Ever wondered why the americans couldn't invade or launch a full scale attack on Pakistan like they did with Iraq and Afghanistan? (even though the neo-cons have publically advocated the destruction of Pakistan along with Iraq and Afghanistan and other nations) Will here is a tacit admission by some of our enemies:

Even if Pakistan had nukes, how do you invade a country with a population of 200 million? As we've seen in Iraq, invasion is easy, occupation, on the other hand...
 
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Even if Pakistan had nukes, how do you invade a country with a population of 200 million? As we've seen in Iraq, invasion is easy, occupation, on the other hand...

To some extent I agree with you. The Iraqi resistance managed to kill 1000s of american troops between 2004 and 2009 before being paid off by the american military. Although the americans destroyed Iraq they did suffer relatively huge losses not seen since Vietnam. This when Iraq's population is barely 38 million and who are very lightly armed. If the americans tried that on Pakistan it would be a nightmare for them that they cannot imagine. Pakistan's population is 5x that of Iraq. We are many more times heavily armed with more high tech sophisticated weapons than Iraq. Our soldiers and paramilitaries are much better trained and more ruthless killing machines then the Iraqi resistance. So based on that it is unlikely the americans would dare invade us but I still wouldn't put it pass them.
 
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Ever wondered why the americans couldn't invade or launch a full scale attack on Pakistan like they did with Iraq and Afghanistan?

Because just a Phone call did the job.

Sorry to bust your bubble, this is from your own President's autobiography,
In his 2006 autobiography In the Line of Fire, then-military ruler General Musharraf described how Pakistan was given no real choice on whether to join America’s War on Terror in a series of phone calls in the days after the September 11th 2001 attacks. On September 12th, he wrote, then-Secretary of State Colin Powell demanded he come of out a meeting to take his call and told him: “You are either with us or against us.”

The following day, the head of Pakistan’s ISI intelligence agency called him to pass on the details of a meeting in Washington with Richard Armitage, Powell’s under-secretary. “In what has to be the most undiplomatic statement ever made, Armitage added to what Colin Powell had said to me and told the director general that not only that we had to decide whether we were with America or with the terrorists, but that if we chose the terrorists, then we should be prepared to be bombed back to the Stone Age.”

Pakistan’s decision to join the war on terror was “Hobson’s choice”, Musharraf’s information minister Tariq Azeem explained. The General haggled over the US demand for unrestricted access to its air space and military bases, quibbled over the wisdom of breaking all communications with the Taliban regime in Kabul, but while bristling at the threat, he gave in for “self-interest and self-preservation.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...S-and-Pakistan-are-the-best-of-frenemies.html
 
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Because just a Phone call did the job.

Sorry to bust your bubble, this is from your own President's autobiography,
In his 2006 autobiography In the Line of Fire, then-military ruler General Musharraf described how Pakistan was given no real choice on whether to join America’s War on Terror in a series of phone calls in the days after the September 11th 2001 attacks. On September 12th, he wrote, then-Secretary of State Colin Powell demanded he come of out a meeting to take his call and told him: “You are either with us or against us.”

The following day, the head of Pakistan’s ISI intelligence agency called him to pass on the details of a meeting in Washington with Richard Armitage, Powell’s under-secretary. “In what has to be the most undiplomatic statement ever made, Armitage added to what Colin Powell had said to me and told the director general that not only that we had to decide whether we were with America or with the terrorists, but that if we chose the terrorists, then we should be prepared to be bombed back to the Stone Age.”

Pakistan’s decision to join the war on terror was “Hobson’s choice”, Musharraf’s information minister Tariq Azeem explained. The General haggled over the US demand for unrestricted access to its air space and military bases, quibbled over the wisdom of breaking all communications with the Taliban regime in Kabul, but while bristling at the threat, he gave in for “self-interest and self-preservation.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...S-and-Pakistan-are-the-best-of-frenemies.html


This has been suggested before but I don't buy it at all. There is no doubt that Musharraf, the Pakistani military and politicians were concerned about a possible american invasion but their submission and aquiesence to american demands were not the reasons that the americans did not atrack/invade Pakistan.

In the middle of 2002, Saddam Hussein and the Iraqis gave in to ALL american demands and were ready to give Iraq on a plate to them provided they weren't attacked. They compromised and caved into american demands way more readily than Pakistan ever did YET STILL the americans attacked and destroyed them. Because they could with Iraq they did. They did not care what the rest of the world thought or did. With Pakistan they wanted to but couldn't. So they did not. History has shown that the americans will destroy any nation they want to if they are too weak. They do this with complete disregard of world opinion. They don't attack nations that can fight back in a meaningful manner. The Iraqis and Afghans can attest to this.

Pakistan has full communication with the Afghan Taliban now in full view of the americans so why don't the americans attack Pakistan now then? Did we just call their bluff?

In the OP the american general clearly states that the americans have limited options against Pakistan because of our nukes much to the bitterment of the Afghans. Reality supports this.
 
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Because just a Phone call did the job.

Sorry to bust your bubble, this is from your own President's autobiography,
In his 2006 autobiography In the Line of Fire, then-military ruler General Musharraf described how Pakistan was given no real choice on whether to join America’s War on Terror in a series of phone calls in the days after the September 11th 2001 attacks. On September 12th, he wrote, then-Secretary of State Colin Powell demanded he come of out a meeting to take his call and told him: “You are either with us or against us.”

The following day, the head of Pakistan’s ISI intelligence agency called him to pass on the details of a meeting in Washington with Richard Armitage, Powell’s under-secretary. “In what has to be the most undiplomatic statement ever made, Armitage added to what Colin Powell had said to me and told the director general that not only that we had to decide whether we were with America or with the terrorists, but that if we chose the terrorists, then we should be prepared to be bombed back to the Stone Age.”

Pakistan’s decision to join the war on terror was “Hobson’s choice”, Musharraf’s information minister Tariq Azeem explained. The General haggled over the US demand for unrestricted access to its air space and military bases, quibbled over the wisdom of breaking all communications with the Taliban regime in Kabul, but while bristling at the threat, he gave in for “self-interest and self-preservation.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...S-and-Pakistan-are-the-best-of-frenemies.html

Quite much have changed in all these 15 years. Many ups and down came but this one phone call thingi has been buried deep for good. Wud not go in details.
 
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This has been suggested before but I don't buy it at all. There is no doubt that Musharraf, the Pakistani military and politicians were concerned about a possible american invasion but their submission and aquiesence to american demands were not the reasons that the americans did not atrack/invade Pakistan.

In the middle of 2002, Saddam Hussein and the Iraqis gave in to ALL american demands and were ready to give Iraq on a plate to them provided they weren't attacked. They compromised and caved into american demands way more readily than Pakistan ever did YET STILL the americans attacked and destroyed them. Because they could with Iraq they did. They did not care what the rest of the world thought or did. With Pakistan they wanted to but couldn't. So they did not. History has shown that the americans will destroy any nation they want to if they are too weak. They do this with complete disregard of world opinion. They don't attack nations that can fight back in a meaningful manner. The Iraqis and Afghans can attest to this.

Pakistan has full communication with the Afghan Taliban now in full view of the americans so why don't the americans attack Pakistan now then? Did we just call their bluff?

In the OP the american general clearly states that the americans have limited options against Pakistan because of our nukes much to the bitterment of the Afghans. Reality supports this.
You dont buy.... OMG what do I do now.....
Wake up and smell the coffee, it's your own Presidents word. Not mine.
What will you do with your nukes, load it in PIA flights and bomb Washington. Your military pretty much for most of it;s existence ran on US military aid, and you are saying US is scared of your nukes.

Quite much have changed in all these 15 years. Many ups and down came but this one phone call thingi has been buried deep for good. Wud not go in details.
So now your President is a Liar? These are the words of your own president not mine.
 
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That's why another thread is running on Pakistan building ICBM!! They are expecting the Expected!!
 
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The topic is Afghanistan and Pakistan, why would you drag india in it? I agree Pakistan needs to change its apologetic policy towards india and should pay them in the same currency with interest that india is using against Pakistan. there are a million ways to hurt india and hurt real bad without too much effort. Once we start doing that, we will have peace.


Certainly Afghans cant do anything, but dont agree that Americans cant, if u look at history Americans knew Pakistan was trying to make the bomb but they didn't do anything in fact at time for serving their short term interests they actively aided Pakistan.But there is nothing wrong Pakistan in having nuclear weapons it actually helped avoiding another war.
Pakistan just need to change its foreign policy regarding India.
 
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In the OP the american general clearly states that the americans have limited options against Pakistan because of our nukes much to the bitterment of the Afghans. Reality supports this.
I dont think nukes are the reason, even if pakistan has nukes how will they bomb the US without ICBM's?
Take case of Iran, US went for protracted negotiations instead of war like iraq. Americans can create more havoc using proxies than invading a country. After Iraq , Afghanistan stalemate they have used this approach else where like libya,syria ..etc.

Fact is Americans can simply let taliban go berserk. Once taliban takes over afghanistan their obvious next target will be pakistan and neighboring countries. The equation is not as straight forward as you think.
 
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