Tableeghi Jamaats to be banned from Cantts, Defence areas

[EjazR]

tablighi jamaat was the only religious organisation who were ringing alarm bells since 1970s about encouraging muslims for jihad without good knowledge of dos and donts. they were the only religious organisation who always said muslims need to correct themselves and not the non beleivers. banningthem will be a huge mistake.

Its funny that the army and security establishment does not want to ban JuD, LeT and other organisations completely. Hafiz Saeed is still roaming around. But they think that banning TJ will resolve the problem of detrioting security.

They were among the few groups whose elders warned that the Afghan war was not Jihad and that the people are only being used for geopoitical purposes.

In any case, I don't know if its going to be a mistake in banning it or not. But the fact that groups like Hafiz Saeed and his JuD can still function with impunity should be a bigger concern that TJ.

 

[Safriz]

Its funny that the army and security establishment does not want to ban JuD, LeT and other organisations completely. Hafiz Saeed is still roaming around. But they think that banning TJ will resolve the problem of detrioting security.

They were among the few groups whose elders warned that the Afghan war was not Jihad and that the people are only being used for geopoitical purposes.

In any case, I don't know if its going to be a mistake in banning it or not. But the fact that groups like Hafiz Saeed and his JuD can still function with impunity should be a bigger concern that TJ.

People rarely go to jumaa prayer and then think they know everything about Islam and the working of religious organizations......
Tablighi jamaat are cool,they are one of the most rational and peaceful religious organization...Penalizing them will make no difference to the jihadiis.

About afghan war,there were good sincere people involved and there were cold blooded adrenaline junkies....There was a madrisah near my home and i had good friendly relations with the teachers and students there..Many of them had been involved in Afghan war and they told me stories of the freedom fighters plundering villages and raping women,and fighting soviets while high on heroin...and decapitating soviet prisoners and laughing their heads off while the decapitated bodies twitched.....Such inhumane monsters cannot be called "Mujahid" and cannot expect going to heavens...But as it is said "absolute power corrupts"....young men from poor backgrounds who had nothing to lose and had no interest in practicing religion,all of a sudden found themselves with guns and RPG and other heavy weapons...felt on top of the world and no reason to be nice.....All their anger and frustration diverted towards whoever came in range of their guns.....

On the contrary tablighi jamaat are the people who ask people to be practical..start charity at home..look at their shortcoming instead of pointing fingers at others....banning such a peaceful movement will be a blunder...

 

[T-Faz]

Tablighi jamaat are cool,they are one of the most rational and peaceful religious

No, not really.

Qaida members posed as Tablighi Jamaat activists to get Pak visas​

NEW DELHI: Consider the following: Hamir Mohammed, a Sudanese Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) recruiter, presented himself as a Tablighi Jamaat (TJ) worker in Delhi to secure a Pakistani visa.

Somali Muhammed Sulayman Barre, accused of being an al-Qaida financier, a facilitator in the global jihad support network and a suspected aide of Osama bin Laden, obtained his Pakistani visa, courtesy a TJ sponsorship. "Detainee stated he had no intention of performing missionary duties...he just used the group to get a visa".

Saudi national Abdul Bukhary stayed in the TJ headquarters at "Nizam-e-Alden" (Nizamuddin) for a month. However, pressed by a TJ leader to make a life-long commitment to the organization, Bukhary balked as he "did not want to commit his life to servitude, pilgrimage and missionary work". He returned to Lahore soon after.

The Wikileaks revelations on Guantanamo Bay files show how al-Qaida members at various times used the network of Tablighi Jamaat and often posed as missionaries to access visas to Pakistan and other destinations, and used the Jamaat's premises as shelter.

Set up in the 1920s by Maulana Mohammed Ilyas, Tablighis see themselves as a puritanical movement calling for the rejection of "impurities" in Islamic practice. The movement is associated with Deobandi roots and harkens to the time of the Prophet.

In Delhi, those associated with TJ claim that although the sect has several million workers, it shuns publicity. The organization lacks an organized structure and works towards propagating the Islamic way of life.

Tabligh workers at the organization's world headquarters in Nizamuddin speak of the constant scrutiny they are subjected to — "the area is teeming with people from the Intelligence Bureau, but they have never been able to detect any suspicious activity."

Architect Urfi Obaid, a self-styled spokesman for TJ, explained that the nature of the organization makes it immune from being held responsible for terror plots.

"Anybody is free to join. In Delhi alone, there are several thousand mosques, and each mosque would have some seven to eight people who attend TJ meetings. Extrapolate that figure to a global context, and you will know how many people serve TJ. Many come and go. Foreigners can also join once they follow the basic regulations. How can we be held responsible for those who are hatching terror plots," Obaid asks.

TJ's activities are cloaked in secrecy. For instance, the information about its annual gathering — about 20 lakh attended the last event in Bangladesh — is only by word of mouth.

"We try to help people in distress from all faiths, and want Muslims to become aware of their religion and practice it to perfection," Obaid said.

However, the organization came to disrepute during the siege of the Mecca in the 1970s, and has since then been viewed with suspicion in Saudi Arabia.

Qaida members posed as Tablighi Jamaat activists to get Pak visas - Times Of India

 

[53fd]

I say ban Tableeghi Jamaats all over Pakistan.

 

[Leader]

oh great....ban them so that they get even stronger !!!!

by the way @ fascists the tabligi also consist of learned class.... so consider mass massacre of humans as unappropriate view !!

 

[SQ8]

now thats not possible .. You can't kill Millions . i also sometimes go for tableeg

Tru that.. I myself snuck into an ijtema once

However, these people are the main recruiting pool for the TTp and other terrorists organizations.
so if stereotyping need be done on 2% of the population.. so be it.

 

[Rafi]

All religious organizations should be regulated and come under the ministry of religious affairs, anyone preaching against the interests of the state needs to be locked up, enough is enough.

 

[53fd]

^^^ I wish I could thank you multiple times for the post above. Rafi has said the most important thing that needs to be said.

 

[forcetrip]

People rarely go to jumaa prayer and then think they know everything about Islam and the working of religious organizations......
Tablighi jamaat are cool,they are one of the most rational and peaceful religious organization...Penalizing them will make no difference to the jihadiis.

About afghan war,there were good sincere people involved and there were cold blooded adrenaline junkies....There was a madrisah near my home and i had good friendly relations with the teachers and students there..Many of them had been involved in Afghan war and they told me stories of the freedom fighters plundering villages and raping women,and fighting soviets while high on heroin...and decapitating soviet prisoners and laughing their heads off while the decapitated bodies twitched.....Such inhumane monsters cannot be called "Mujahid" and cannot expect going to heavens...But as it is said "absolute power corrupts"....young men from poor backgrounds who had nothing to lose and had no interest in practicing religion,all of a sudden found themselves with guns and RPG and other heavy weapons...felt on top of the world and no reason to be nice.....All their anger and frustration diverted towards whoever came in range of their guns.....

On the contrary tablighi jamaat are the people who ask people to be practical..start charity at home..look at their shortcoming instead of pointing fingers at others....banning such a peaceful movement will be a blunder...

The few organization that you are talking about are not political or main stream .. They hold very little water in the murky pool of Pakistans religious infection. Its like having a good apple in a barrel of rotten ones and then asking people to please eat the apples while showing the good apple.

 

[Spring Onion]

What's wrong with this jamaat??????

Tableeghi jamaat etc. are there all over India also and they are free to do anything under the law.

usually they are peaceful people as far i remember when we were kids , youngsters and older guys used to get their names registered in mosques for going on tableegh to suburban areas of city and other cities and there they used to preach basics of nimaz and social issues .

i dont know what is situation now but usually the tableeghi groups who are only limited to preaching are peaceful ones

 

[DaRk WaVe]

at least we got a start, Good Job! Ban all religious parties !

 

[Spring Onion]

All religious organizations should be regulated and come under the ministry of religious affairs, anyone preaching against the interests of the state needs to be locked up, enough is enough.

Their proper Audit must be done and they must show their assets all unregistered ones should be closed down and banned

 

[Safriz]

No, not really.

Qaida members posed as Tablighi Jamaat activists to get Pak visas​

NEW DELHI: Consider the following: Hamir Mohammed, a Sudanese Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) recruiter, presented himself as a Tablighi Jamaat (TJ) worker in Delhi to secure a Pakistani visa.

Somali Muhammed Sulayman Barre, accused of being an al-Qaida financier, a facilitator in the global jihad support network and a suspected aide of Osama bin Laden, obtained his Pakistani visa, courtesy a TJ sponsorship. "Detainee stated he had no intention of performing missionary duties...he just used the group to get a visa".

Saudi national Abdul Bukhary stayed in the TJ headquarters at "Nizam-e-Alden" (Nizamuddin) for a month. However, pressed by a TJ leader to make a life-long commitment to the organization, Bukhary balked as he "did not want to commit his life to servitude, pilgrimage and missionary work". He returned to Lahore soon after.

The Wikileaks revelations on Guantanamo Bay files show how al-Qaida members at various times used the network of Tablighi Jamaat and often posed as missionaries to access visas to Pakistan and other destinations, and used the Jamaat's premises as shelter.

Set up in the 1920s by Maulana Mohammed Ilyas, Tablighis see themselves as a puritanical movement calling for the rejection of "impurities" in Islamic practice. The movement is associated with Deobandi roots and harkens to the time of the Prophet.

In Delhi, those associated with TJ claim that although the sect has several million workers, it shuns publicity. The organization lacks an organized structure and works towards propagating the Islamic way of life.

Tabligh workers at the organization's world headquarters in Nizamuddin speak of the constant scrutiny they are subjected to — "the area is teeming with people from the Intelligence Bureau, but they have never been able to detect any suspicious activity."

Architect Urfi Obaid, a self-styled spokesman for TJ, explained that the nature of the organization makes it immune from being held responsible for terror plots.

"Anybody is free to join. In Delhi alone, there are several thousand mosques, and each mosque would have some seven to eight people who attend TJ meetings. Extrapolate that figure to a global context, and you will know how many people serve TJ. Many come and go. Foreigners can also join once they follow the basic regulations. How can we be held responsible for those who are hatching terror plots," Obaid asks.

TJ's activities are cloaked in secrecy. For instance, the information about its annual gathering — about 20 lakh attended the last event in Bangladesh — is only by word of mouth.

"We try to help people in distress from all faiths, and want Muslims to become aware of their religion and practice it to perfection," Obaid said.

However, the organization came to disrepute during the siege of the Mecca in the 1970s, and has since then been viewed with suspicion in Saudi Arabia.

Qaida members posed as Tablighi Jamaat activists to get Pak visas - Times Of India

Impostors dont represent the real thing...Since 1960 there has been an yearly gathering of tablighi jamaat held in November every year,in which qurater of a million people take part and stay in Raiwind Lahore for 3 days,,,Have you ever heard of any unpleasant incident in there? On the contrary much smaller gatherings of other political and religious parties regularly end in disaster....A similar "Ijtimaa" is held every year in Bangladeh and in Delhi india..never have we heard that Indian autrhorities are banning them...or Bangladeshi government are thinking of banning them its "only in Pakistan" that they just love barking up the wrong tree...

 

[muse]

While I don't have a problem with banning the likes of the Tableeqi and other Jamaat - I would point out that ultimately, Pakistan, and Indian Muslims as well, have to have a national conversation and education in which it must be decided, "what does it mean to be a Muslim" -- and I think ultimately, this conversation will not be about, which sect or which scholar, but which values -- and if I may, allow me to add that it will come down to Faith or Certitude - to date, An understanding of Islam inspired by radicals from the Arabian peninsula has been imposed on us, we have been forced, coerced into the Certitude line, while our historical preference, in keeping with the true message of Islam, has been, Faith in God - we should reclaim our native creed.

 

[Safriz]

usually they are peaceful people as far i remember when we were kids , youngsters and older guys used to get their names registered in mosques for going on tableegh to suburban areas of city and other cities and there they used to preach basics of nimaz and social issues .

i dont know what is situation now but usually the tableeghi groups who are only limited to preaching are peaceful ones

Stll the same,nothing has changed..Last week Haji Abdul wahaab (Their grand leader) visited Britain and i went to see him and listen to his speech..It was great..and guess what..the British authorities had no problem ever with him....and he is in their good books...